Pre-Depilation Pic

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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» I am still anxious to hear from Baccy. I know he has said that he was bald
» as a cueball before starting these experiments. I believe I am bald too
» but I have a little more hair than he does. He has been here for a while
» so I would take his word for it on regrowth. I would like to actually hear
» him say definatively that the hair in front and the obvious thick hairs in
» the middle were definately not there from the beginning. If that is the
» fact then there is without doubt proof of concept. As much as we pay
» attention to our scalps he would without doubt know that.

They’re new hairs or maybe rejuvenated ones. Either way, they weren’t there before. When your fully bald as I am, this kind of gain is ONLY proof of concept and has no practical use for me.

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Got my tannic acid this morning and also my roxythromycin. Waxed my head with the Veet wax strips today. Damn that hurt! Worse than the sandpapering ever did. :slight_smile: I’ve mixed up the topical and I’m going to begin applying today. The goal, to inhibit EGF BEFORE wounding to provide a wider window.
I will be wounding on Wednesday using Scalp Renew. I may also sand it depending on what it looks like.
I’ll keep you all updated.

By the way, the white hairs that someone commented on are mostly vellus hairs at the top sides above my ‘monk’ hairline. I DO have some grey hairs poking through at my bottom sides but I’m taking paraminbenzoic acid tablets to try to deal with them. If I DO get enough hair to justify growing it out a bit rather than shaving bald, I can always use something to restore the colour.

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» I haven’t been following this forum until recently. Can someone tell me if
» this is true that, so far, Baccy has only shaved his head and then
» sand-papered his scalp?
»
» If this is true then why didn’t Baccy continue with the topical forumula
» before the wound healed? I assume from reading his post that he’s planning
» to put the topical formula on his scalp AFTER he wounds his scalp again.
» I’m just wondering why he skipped that step the first time.
»
» Also, I’m very surprised that Baccy doesn’t have a single “before” photo
» of his scalp, even if it’s not real close up. I think those hairs would
» show up as a slight shadow even from far away. And he could always crop
» his face out of the photo.
»
» And finally, I’m just not as excited as you guys unless this process can
» be repeated to grow more and more hair, or if a topical formula will
» enhance new growth. This photo just looks like a typical Norwood 6 pattern
» with or without the little hairs on top.

These results are from my experiment about 8 weeks ago. I don’t have any pictures as I didn’t take any prior (didn’t think it would work. I’ve been around the block on hairloss for 27 years.) I’ve never been one for photos and don’t even really have any when I wore the rug. I took the rug off 5 years ago and don’t have any of me bald (aside from the ones posted here).
And it’s actually a Norwood 7. I’ve already said that I STILL class myself as NW7 because there is nothing that I can cosmetically use. It’s merely proof of concept.

P.S. The ONLY bit that shows as shadow from a distance is the front middle. The rest are too sparse.

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» Baccy, don’t take it the wrong way…but just for confirmation, Are ALL the
» hairs in the red area new/rejuvenated ones? i.e. there wasn’t any thick
» hair in that area before you did the experiment?
»
»
» What about those spots in the blue area, when I saw your first pic I
» thought that they were thick hair follicles. But it appears it’s something
» else?
»
»

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»
»
» » A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the
» yield.
» » This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» » I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» » I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.
»
» The whole idea of EGF inhibition is to stop stem cells from converting
» into skin cells. if you apply it before wounding, it won’t have any effect
» because the stem cells haven’t been mobilized yet. Stem cells ONLY come
» into action when there is disruption of the scalp. I would highly
» recommend that you use tannic acid at least 1 day after wounding.
»
»
» Btw, I remember you said that you use Folligen? which one & how often?
» Also, I don’t see much shine in your scalp UNLIKE usual NW6-7s. Is that a
» result of sanding/dermabrasion or has it been like this from the
» beginning?
»
» » Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» » either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» » Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept
» low
» » <3% to avoid toxicity.
»
» how many days do you plan on applying the oil/cream?

I’ll try to answer your questions m8.
It appears that not ALL the follicles visible are producing hair; at least not terminal hair.
I’m aware that EGF only comes into play during epithelization (ie after wounding). My theory is that I’m trying to establish EGF inhibition in ‘readiness’ for the imminent wounding. I’m not sure if you get instant inhibition when you apply a topical or whether it takes time to affect your system.
I was using Follipro copper peptides after the last wounding. I will re-commence with them after the next wound has healed.
As for shine, yes, I normally have shine on my head and it annoys the hell out of me :slight_smile: These photos are taken outside in my pal’s back garden but he also used a flash. I don’t know why there’s no shine because when I’m out on the town, my head shines like a disco ball. :slight_smile:
I plan on using the topical for about 12 days and from then on just continue with minox and copper peptides.
Hope this helps m8.

P.S Come to think of it, I sometimes put a bit of talcum powder on my head before I go out but it doesn’t seem to help much when I’m in pubs and clubs. It probably dulled down the shine temporarily.

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» I hope you get George Clooney hair in the next month.

Hopefully not as grey as that although I DO have some silvery bits in the sides at the bottom above my ear. :slight_smile:

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» Thank you Baccy…for all we know, you are showing the most promising
» results for human beings. I hope Follica or some other company contacts
» you and you somehow benefit financially from all of this.

To be honest m8, all I want is my hair back that was cruelly stolen bit by bit from about the age of 16.

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» Baccy, Have you been doing the whole scalp or just the top. I’m asking
» because the hair at the back seems fair compared to the part where you have
» been experimenting.
»
» Good work by the way.

The entire top above my ‘monk’ hairline. There are some vellus hairs growing near the crown that you are probably refering to.

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»» It’s probably because people are still skeptical of this method. I think
» results from Baccy’s second experiment would either make or break Follica.
» :stuck_out_tongue:

I disagree that lack of results from me would break Follica. I’m an engineer, not a doctor. My only qualification that is remotely relevant is an ‘O’ Level Biology Grade B I earned in 1981. And that doesn’t really cut it. :slight_smile:

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» To be honest m8, all I want is my hair back that was cruelly stolen bit by
» bit from about the age of 16.

I hear you buddy. At the same time, for many of us you are taking on Wright brothers status as you are boldly doing something that was considered impossible on humans not too long ago.

Like I said before - for all we know your research is perhaps more than what other more heavily funded companies have tried thus far in humans. That said, I do hope companies like Follica and their competitors make an effort to learn from what you are doing. But then again, if the results you are showing for the relatively little amount of effort you have put forth (I’m weighing the pain of baldness for years vs the pain of sanding your scalp for a few days), it might be possible that an all and out cure is perhaps a matter of optimizing for certain conditions specific to each individual.

Skeptics, please read the following before telling me how many more years it’s going to take to cure baldness:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0134.html?printable=1

Our knowledge is indeed accelerating, and this means that we cannot follow a linear course of results for baldness.

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» Got my tannic acid this morning and also my roxythromycin. Waxed my head
» with the Veet wax strips today. Damn that hurt! Worse than the sandpapering
» ever did. :slight_smile: I’ve mixed up the topical and I’m going to begin applying
» today. The goal, to inhibit EGF BEFORE wounding to provide a wider window.
» I will be wounding on Wednesday using Scalp Renew. I may also sand it
» depending on what it looks like.
» I’ll keep you all updated.
»
» By the way, the white hairs that someone commented on are mostly vellus
» hairs at the top sides above my ‘monk’ hairline. I DO have some grey hairs
» poking through at my bottom sides but I’m taking paraminbenzoic acid
» tablets to try to deal with them. If I DO get enough hair to justify
» growing it out a bit rather than shaving bald, I can always use something
» to restore the colour.

Good luck dude

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Best of luck Baccy!

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» »» It’s probably because people are still skeptical of this method. I
» think
» » results from Baccy’s second experiment would either make or break
» Follica.
» » :stuck_out_tongue:
»
» I disagree that lack of results from me would break Follica. I’m an
» engineer, not a doctor. My only qualification that is remotely relevant is
» an ‘O’ Level Biology Grade B I earned in 1981. And that doesn’t really cut
» it. :slight_smile:

Just to have some sort of reference, on daily basis we could go through when we see the results.

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» » Baccy, Have you been doing the whole scalp or just the top. I’m asking
» » because the hair at the back seems fair compared to the part where you
» have
» » been experimenting.
» »
» » Good work by the way.
»
» The entire top above my ‘monk’ hairline. There are some vellus hairs
» growing near the crown that you are probably refering to.

Thanks for replying, And good luck with your next round i hope the results continue.

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Hi guys
I am sure u have already heard about this but in the video the doc is using a tool to stimulate the scalp prior to injecting the scalp.

http://tressless.com/2008/02/12/injecting-blood-into-your-scalp-to-grow-hair/

OK,this isn’t what Follica is doing but everyone seeking a cure seems to be jumping on the pre stimulation bandwagon.Maybe u guys can get a hold of a tool like this,online,instead of rubbing your heads with sandpaper? It may yield better results,just a suggestion.

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» Hi guys
» I am sure u have already heard about this but in the video the doc is
» using a tool to stimulate the scalp prior to injecting the scalp.
»
» http://tressless.com/2008/02/12/injecting-blood-into-your-scalp-to-grow-hair/
»
» OK,this isn’t what Follica is doing but everyone seeking a cure seems to
» be jumping on the pre stimulation bandwagon.Maybe u guys can get a hold of
» a tool like this,online,instead of rubbing your heads with sandpaper? It
» may yield better results,just a suggestion.

It’s just a dermaroller. I have one but never used it.

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»
» It’s just a dermaroller. I have one but never used it.

TRY IT !!! What do you have to lose ??

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»
» I’m going to call Acell this upcomming week…hopefully they will know
» something at this point.
»

I think it’s to soon,we will probably have to wait until October to find out if this works or not.This industry was built by attention seekers so if it does work,it will be posted all over the web.Trust me,you won’t have to go looking for a successful result.

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» »
» » I’m going to call Acell this upcomming week…hopefully they will
» know
» » something at this point.
» »
»
» I think it’s to soon,we will probably have to wait until October to find
» out if this works or not.This industry was built by attention seekers so if
» it does work,it will be posted all over the web.Trust me,you won’t have to
» go looking for a successful result.

I did call them today. They said that they are still waiting for results from HT doctors. They said that one of the docs (who posts on this board) used it in a FUE procedure so hopefully that will work…thats the type of procedure I’m hoping for.

They said that it has been very successful when used by the military on burn patients. They have been using it to regenerate removed donor tissue for skin grafts but they are going to try using it directly on the burned area (after all of the dead tissue is removed).

I’m going to call them again in a couple of weeks…for my own curiosity. When I have some concrete knowledge (one way or another) I will post it here.

If it fails, I’m sure I’ll be blasted, but I really don’t care that much what a bunch of guys on a hairloss forum think of me anyways. If they were hot chicks…it would be different.

Take Care,
Bill

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» I did call them today. They said that they are still waiting for results
» from HT doctors. They said that one of the docs (who posts on this board)
» used it in a FUE procedure so hopefully that will work…thats the type
» of procedure I’m hoping for.

We finally have a possible solution that is being used on humans & information is readily available.We will have to wait 5 weeks to see what happens,let’s hope the wait is worth the while. If it does work you won’t have to worry about emailing anyone,the hair restoration clinic will post the info all over these forums.

» They said that it has been very successful when used by the military on
» burn patients. They have been using it to regenerate removed donor tissue
» for skin grafts but they are going to try using it directly on the burned
» area (after all of the dead tissue is removed).

This is encouraging news,I have been told that this product is being investigated by dermatologists as possible cure for acne scarring. Dermatologists will Dermabrase the scarred area then apply pixie dust.

» I’m going to call them again in a couple of weeks…for my own curiosity.
» When I have some concrete knowledge (one way or another) I will post it
» here.
»
» If it fails, I’m sure I’ll be blasted, but I really don’t care that much
» what a bunch of guys on a hairloss forum think of me anyways. If they were
» hot chicks…it would be different.

Don’t worry about it Willy, even if it does work I am certain that some of the miserable souls here will find something to complain about.
Thanks again.

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Baccy,

Thanks for all your work. One question which I don’t think you responded to, but which I think everybody is very keen to know is this:

From the picture below, posted by another poster, is all the area in the red circle new hair that didn’t exist before?

If so, that’s amazing. I don’t know what you mean by Monk Hairline.

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