» » I haven’t been following this forum until recently. Can someone tell me
» if
» » this is true that, so far, Baccy has only shaved his head and then
» » sand-papered his scalp?
» »
» » If this is true then why didn’t Baccy continue with the topical
» forumula
» » before the wound healed? I assume from reading his post that he’s
» planning
» » to put the topical formula on his scalp AFTER he wounds his scalp again.
»
» » I’m just wondering why he skipped that step the first time.
» »
» » Also, I’m very surprised that Baccy doesn’t have a single “before”
» photo
» » of his scalp, even if it’s not real close up. I think those hairs
» would
» » show up as a slight shadow even from far away. And he could always
» crop
» » his face out of the photo.
» »
» » And finally, I’m just not as excited as you guys unless this process
» can
» » be repeated to grow more and more hair, or if a topical formula will
» » enhance new growth. This photo just looks like a typical Norwood 6
» pattern
» » with or without the little hairs on top.
»
» These results are from my experiment about 8 weeks ago. I don’t have any
» pictures as I didn’t take any prior (didn’t think it would work. I’ve been
» around the block on hairloss for 27 years.) I’ve never been one for photos
» and don’t even really have any when I wore the rug. I took the rug off 5
» years ago and don’t have any of me bald (aside from the ones posted here).
» And it’s actually a Norwood 7. I’ve already said that I STILL class myself
» as NW7 because there is nothing that I can cosmetically use. It’s merely
» proof of concept.
»
» P.S. The ONLY bit that shows as shadow from a distance is the front
» middle. The rest are too sparse.
Why do you suppose you regrew more hair in the front middle? Did you dermabrade deeper in this area?
» Got my tannic acid this morning and also my roxythromycin. Waxed my head
» with the Veet wax strips today. Damn that hurt! Worse than the sandpapering
» ever did. I’ve mixed up the topical and I’m going to begin applying
» today. The goal, to inhibit EGF BEFORE wounding to provide a wider window.
» I will be wounding on Wednesday using Scalp Renew. I may also sand it
» depending on what it looks like.
» I’ll keep you all updated.
»
» By the way, the white hairs that someone commented on are mostly vellus
» hairs at the top sides above my ‘monk’ hairline. I DO have some grey hairs
» poking through at my bottom sides but I’m taking paraminbenzoic acid
» tablets to try to deal with them. If I DO get enough hair to justify
» growing it out a bit rather than shaving bald, I can always use something
» to restore the colour.
»
» Why do you suppose you regrew more hair in the front middle? Did you
» dermabrade deeper
Interesting question. Whilst dermabrading on my latest experiment, the front was redder than other areas and also bled a little. Only spots of blood but it may be more sensitive in that area.
I’ll be keeping a log of my observations that I’ll post up at intervals.
» Baccy,
»
» Thanks for all your work. One question which I don’t think you responded
» to, but which I think everybody is very keen to know is this:
»
» From the picture below, posted by another poster, is all the area in the
» red circle new hair that didn’t exist before?
»
» If so, that’s amazing. I don’t know what you mean by Monk Hairline.
»
Yes. That’s all new and is the only bit of new hair that is visible from a distance. My ‘monk’ hairline is the fringe of hair around the sides that all Norwood 7 bald people have.
» A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the yield.
» This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.
» The topical will consist of tannic acid, roxythromycin (anti-microbial),
» lithium orotate (wnt upregulation) and caffeine dissolved in dmso.
» Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept low
» <3% to avoid toxicity.
» the plan with the wounding is to use ‘Scalp Renew’ dermabrasion cream over
» the entire scalp. However, this protocol may change on the fly if I deem
» the wounding to be of insufficient severity. I may wind up sanding the
» scalp.
» I’ll keep you updated when I have more to add. As you’re probably aware, I
» only post for informative purposes and much as I like you guys, I don’t
» post for a chat.
»
»
The hair in the front seems to point in a natural direction. That’s a really good thing to know. Baccy, I’m eager to see your next results. Just think of what it will look like if you gain the same amount of hair in round 2 as you did in your first experiment.
» A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the yield.
» This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.
» The topical will consist of tannic acid, roxythromycin (anti-microbial),
» lithium orotate (wnt upregulation) and caffeine dissolved in dmso.
» Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept low
» <3% to avoid toxicity.
» the plan with the wounding is to use ‘Scalp Renew’ dermabrasion cream over
» the entire scalp. However, this protocol may change on the fly if I deem
» the wounding to be of insufficient severity. I may wind up sanding the
» scalp.
» I’ll keep you updated when I have more to add. As you’re probably aware, I
» only post for informative purposes and much as I like you guys, I don’t
» post for a chat.
»
»
any more news on this promising experiment? just joined today, and noticed the pic was taken about a month or so ago. please keep me posted, cant wait to hear more! good luck:-D !
»any luck as of yet? please keep updating, its kinda hard ot find your posts, as i am a newb on this site. good luck.
A few mm of growth. Nothing much there and we need to increase the yield.
» This will serve as a ‘before’ pic for my experiment next week.
» I will use Veet wax strips to depilate.
» I will then begin EGF inhibition to get it going BEFORE wounding.
» The topical will consist of tannic acid, roxythromycin (anti-microbial),
» lithium orotate (wnt upregulation) and caffeine dissolved in dmso.
» Quantities not yet decided. This mixture will then be itself mixed into
» either a 100ml bottle of emu oil or a tub of alpha lipoic acid cream.
» Mixture to be applied twice daily. Tannic acid proportion to be kept low
» <3% to avoid toxicity.
» the plan with the wounding is to use ‘Scalp Renew’ dermabrasion cream over
» the entire scalp. However, this protocol may change on the fly if I deem
» the wounding to be of insufficient severity. I may wind up sanding the
» scalp.
» I’ll keep you updated when I have more to add. As you’re probably aware, I
» only post for informative purposes and much as I like you guys, I don’t
» post for a chat.
»
»
» Baccy said he could not replicate the results on successive tries, that is
» why the thread died
»
» why are you guys still bumping a year old thread
Old posts are nice, for example :
" posted by dave21, 14.09.2008, 18:39
Are you kidding me? 2016? Who’s going to wait that long…Baccy is doing this right now and maybe a couple months from now he’ll even have more hair. If he goes from another trail and gets more, a ton of people will do this. No question. "
» »
» »
» » Naivety fascinates me
»
»
» He framed his comments with “maybe” and “if,” Sceptic.
»
» If you can’t handle hearing even that kind of mild talk without feeling
» the need to ridicule it, then maybe you’re in the wrong forum., and he has
Maybe, but if you think that someone has a chance to solve this problem himself at home, then maybe you can believe anything; and Baccy has always been a good guy and has had the courage to post his pics, but common sense says that we can’t solve this by ourselves, even if we don’t like it, you won’t do it by peeling your scalp + applying whatever you want, it won’t be like that.
» but common sense
» says that we can’t solve this by ourselves, even if we don’t like it, you
» won’t do it by peeling your scalp + applying whatever you want, it won’t be
» like that.
Just reading the Follica patent proves that. There’s a lot of precision involved in the protocol that can not be replicated by a do-it-yourselfer. Someone may get lucky and grow some hair, but it won’t repeatable. That’s if the protocol works at all.
The wounding?
The topical formulation of drugs?
The structured timeframe for application?
Systemic drugs?
None of that stuff is out of range of the DIY crowd.
You can dismiss me with a generalized statement like, “You’re never gonna beat a bunch of scientists at a real muti-million-dollar company” but we both know that’s not a real refutation of my point.
» What’s not repeatable at home?
»
» The wounding?
» The topical formulation of drugs?
» The structured timeframe for application?
» Systemic drugs?
»
» None of that stuff is out of range of the DIY crowd.
»
»
»
» You can dismiss me with a generalized statement like, “You’re never gonna
» beat a bunch of scientists at a real muti-million-dollar company” but we
» both know that’s not a real refutation of my point.
You’re asking people to prove that the average person cannot do what has yet to be done.
Sure, its possible.
Its not likely.
That “bunch of scientists at a real muti-million-dollar company” has yet to make it work, so the odds seem very, very slim.
That muti-million-dollar company, for obvious reasons, has not released the combination of drugs that it plans to eventually test, so the chances of someone at home guessing it right are not good.
» What’s not repeatable at home?
»
» The wounding?
» The topical formulation of drugs?
» The structured timeframe for application?
» Systemic drugs?
»
» None of that stuff is out of range of the DIY crowd.
»
»
»
» You can dismiss me with a generalized statement like, “You’re never gonna
» beat a bunch of scientists at a real muti-million-dollar company” but we
» both know that’s not a real refutation of my point.
The two biggest things that I always thought would be hard to achieve at home is the timing and the delivery of the drugs. If you just research wound healing, you will find that it itself is a pretty complex series of events. Depending on age and health the timing of things are different. The follica procedure may be different for everybody. Also, most articles I read about Dr C studies have the drugs injected. I don’t think adding an EGFR to DMSO is going to be effective enough.
» What’s not repeatable at home?
»
» The wounding?
» The topical formulation of drugs?
» The structured timeframe for application?
» Systemic drugs?
»
» None of that stuff is out of range of the DIY crowd.
»
The PRECISION of ALL of the above is “out of the range” of the DIY crowd. The wounding has to be at a precise depth and uniform. Good luck achieving that with some sandpaper and elbow grease or a home peal.
»
» You can dismiss me with a generalized statement like, “You’re never gonna
» beat a bunch of scientists at a real muti-million-dollar company” but we
» both know that’s not a real refutation of my point.
You’re right - let me know when you’ve cracked the code, Dr. Cal.
Dermabrasion takes a precise depth of wounding too. And you can get it done in any decent derm’s office for a few hundred bucks. I fail to see the roadblock here.
As for the drug timing, I don’t see what is impossible there either. The two Genfilitnib cancer patient examples (yes I’ll bet you’re tired of hearing about those two) weren’t even following any plan at all and they literally bumbled into it. Even if they happened to start the drug in the precise window after whatever “wounding” they got, they still never even stopped taking the stuff afterwards. They were basically on the drug & had the weakened immune system indefinitely after the wound date.
As for the drug injection, the patents (and the cancer patient examples too) indicate that systemic drugs would work. I am not saying it’s ideal for DIY attempts but I’m saying it’s probably do-able.
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I’ve mixed up the topical and I’m going to begin applying
