well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur included).
» My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal fairly
» well. That’s one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell’s
» success on animals to humans.
Just as I suspected.
On the other hand . . .
Acell must have been tested on humans.
If so, Acell must know if it regrows hair follicles when it regrows skin.
Experimental use of Acell on regrowing skin anywhere on the human body, would have already shown whether it can regrow hair too, because everywhere (except soles of feet, palms of hands) on the human body skin has hair follicles in it!
» >>well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» » treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur
» included).
» » My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal
» fairly
» » well. That’s one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell’s
» » success on animals to humans.
»
» Just as I suspected.
»
» On the other hand . . .
»
» Acell must have been tested on humans.
»
» If so, Acell must know if it regrows hair follicles when it regrows skin.
»
» Experimental use of Acell on regrowing skin anywhere on the human body,
» would have already shown whether it can regrow hair too, because everywhere
» (except soles of feet, palms of hands) on the human body skin has hair
» follicles in it!
I have been following Acell for a while now. I totally agree with what Ahab is wondering about. Did they not bother to test the human-grade version of the ECM on humans! They most probably did…then they must know if it grew the hair or not.
But I do understand that body hair and the scalp hair are a bit different but it would definitely be a step closer if it regrows hair anywhere on the body. Hope to find a doctor who will test this !
» » By the way, I’ve had 3 strip surgeries myself (about 10-15 years ago).
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Bill
»
» Bill is Dr. Jones treating you with Acell?
No. I live in Pittsburgh. I have had strip surgery, but don’t have any problems with the scar (although if I had my choice, I’d rather not have it). If Acell works and becomes common in the industry, I would probably have my scar fixed.
at the end of the day the hair is more important… hence the damm site name.
does it work on scalp hair or not? whos trying it someone should for gods sake!
When I look at the animal wounds healing like they do with the fur REGROWN over them just like normal DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ANIMAL HAS A WORKING IMMUNE SYSTEM…the more inclined I am to believe that ACELL will regenerate hair in an area where a wound in induced at a minimum proper depth.
I think it would work in conjunction with a FUE almost for certain. In fact, larger instrument FUE’s might be even better for the potential to grow MORE hair in the FUE-hole. What Im not certain about is if ACELL (or Follica) will regerate hair in MPB-scalp that will not have the same genetic tendency to baldness as the hair that was already there.
You can’t just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a “younger” (quicker growing) fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to contend with:
what’s the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
what will it take to get Acell to that depth… SAFELY (dermabrasion, dermaroller, etc…)?
could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble by those hair follicles?
» You can’t just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The
» gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a “younger” (quicker growing)
» fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you
» continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on
» our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
»
» So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» contend with:
» 1) what’s the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth… SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» dermaroller, etc…)?
» 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble
» by those hair follicles?
»
Have you looked at the photos on their site?
OF COURSE IT CREATES “NEW” FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
GO to ACELL’s site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the cat and horse’s snout. The dermis is completely gone.
Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen phase.
We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they’d need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just regrowing skin over the wound.
»
»
»
» .
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES “NEW” FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL’s site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse’s snout. The dermis is completely gone.
»
»
» Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» phase.
»
» We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL
» to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire
» hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they’d
» need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes
» that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» regrowing skin over the wound.
Have you read my story about my Dobermans? Both had large wounds down to the flesh, and both recovered completely without the aid of Acell. Animals grow fur… that’s what they do. Humans could, conceivably, grow new hair, but I doubt anyone here plans to grind their head down to the bone.
So let’s forget about the animal models, NEW hair creation, FUE and strip repair for one second. Let’s focus on the guy who grew that “younger” fingernail after Acell was applied to his nail-bed. To my understanding bald people still have a head of hair albeit miniaturized. How can we replicate that nail-bed/Acell/younger fingernail concept on our existing miniaturized follicles… safely?
» » Have you looked at the photos on their site?
» »
» » OF COURSE IT CREATES “NEW” FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» » photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
» »
» » GO to ACELL’s site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of
» the
» » cat and horse’s snout. The dermis is completely gone.
» »
» »
» » Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» » phase.
» »
» » We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make
» ACELL
» » to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the
» entire
» » hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose
» they’d
» » need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in
» hopes
» » that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» » regrowing skin over the wound.
»
» Have you read my story about my Dobermans? Both had large wounds down to
» the flesh, and both recovered completely without the aid of Acell. Animals
» grow fur… that’s what they do. Humans could, conceivably, grow new hair,
» but I doubt anyone here plans to grind their head down to the bone.
»
» So let’s forget about the animal models, NEW hair creation, FUE and strip
» repair for one second. Let’s focus on the guy who grew that “younger”
» fingernail after Acell was applied to his nail-bed. To my understanding
» bald people still have a head of hair albeit miniaturized. How can we
» replicate that nail-bed/Acell/younger fingernail concept on our existing
» miniaturized follicles… safely?
»
»
»
»
» .
I’m not saying that it will or won’t work, but this is the FIRST product that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know for a fact that several doctors are testing this…so I would assume they have SOME hope for it. I’m tired of READING about potential cures and the science behind hailoss. I’ve been comming here for many years and, ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again…not to merely become more educated about hairloss.
The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will tell (and now we’re talking months and not 5 years away).
» I’m not saying that it will or won’t work, but this is the FIRST product
» that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know
» for a fact that several doctors are testing this…so I would assume they
» have SOME hope for it. I’m tired of READING about potential cures and the
» science behind hailoss. I’ve been comming here for many years and,
» ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again…not to merely
» become more educated about hairloss.
»
» The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is
» in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will
» tell (and now we’re talking months and not 5 years away).
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
And at least that is a step in the right direction. Kudos to you Bill for all your effort on this!
» I’m not saying that it will or won’t work, but this is the FIRST product
» that actually has potential and is actually BEING TESTED on humans. I know
» for a fact that several doctors are testing this…so I would assume they
» have SOME hope for it. I’m tired of READING about potential cures and the
» science behind hailoss. I’ve been comming here for many years and,
» ultimately, I just want a full head of hair again…not to merely
» become more educated about hairloss.
»
» The questions that are being asked are good ones. Now that the product is
» in the hands of HT doctors, hopefully they will be answered. Time will
» tell (and now we’re talking months and not 5 years away).
»
» Take Care,
» Bill
I’m extremely pleased Acell is in the hands of doctors, but that doesn’t mean we can’t keep discussing potential home-brew applications of the product. I’m not concerned about creating brand new hair right now (that’s Follica territory). I’m interested in re-awakening what we already have (miniaturized follicles), so my questions to benji still stand.
what’s the depth of hair follicles in the scalp? (answered - 4mm)
what will it take to get Acell close to that depth… SAFELY (dermabrasion, dermaroller, etc…)?
could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble by those hair follicles?
» That’s exactly my point. I’m sure most people won’t remember, but we had a
» discussion about Acell back in January/ February when somebody posted
» photos of the animals treated with Acell.
»
» At the time I mentioned I had two Dobermans who injured their legs, and
» decided to lick their wounds until they increased in size to outlandish
» proportions. Don’t ask me why, but some Dobermans are pretty stupid… they
» don’t know when to stop licking their wounds. My first Doberman licked
» approximately a 1.5"x4" piece of flesh off his rear leg… while my second
» Doberman decided to lick a 2"x5" portion off his front leg. Both wounds
» were right down to the flesh (there was no fur in sight). This happened a
» while back… well before Acell. Once we put cones on their heads, and
» treated them with antibiotics both wounds healed perfectly (fur included).
» My Dobermans stupidity aside, animals have it in themselves to heal fairly
» well. That’s one of the biggest reasons I refuse to translate acell’s
» success on animals to humans.
»
» I think Acell is a remarkable product, and I do think it has potential to
» regrow/ stimulate dormant hair on humans… I just think the skin would
» have to be knocked-back to a point where Acell can interact with those
» dormant/ reduced hair cells… otherwise I think (like most of you guys)
» that it will simply regrow skin opposed to hair.
»
»
»
» well, I assume they were normal animals, not immuno-deficient
» animals. That is something.
»
» Normally, animals with grafted human skin are immuno-deficient, and thus,
» the experiment is worthless.
»
» But anyways, you are right. Dogs and cats are very hairy, and thus they
» have a strong tendency to grow hair. This could not work in scalp hair
» in humans.
only time will tell whether it will work on humans
my question is, why are humans allowed to be used as guinea pigs…when the product is not officially licensed for this purpose
if they tested it on humans , it must not have completed the testing since it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose. Or , the tests you ASSUME they must have done on humans,did not produce cosmetically viable results…another option which is not good.
2 if it is not approved for use in humans for this purpose, why is it ok for docs to try it out, basically conduct their own tests? doesnt this need to be an official test or can docs just say, hmm i think i will try this on humans for hair growth
» You can’t just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept). The
» gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a “younger” (quicker growing)
» fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If you
» continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock on
» our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
»
» So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» contend with:
» 1) what’s the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth… SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» dermaroller, etc…)?
» 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more soluble
» by those hair follicles?
»
»
»
»
» .]
the horse pic for example. was a GAPING wound, not some dermabrasion
…that this thing would be real. i really thought its a fake. but now already doctors are testing it.
i think the best thing to do is wait a few months, so that we know for sure if it works or not. there is still to much speculation in here… much to much.
» the horse pic for example. was a GAPING wound, not some dermabrasion
»
» this has to be considered in potential results
No doubt. You can’t compare those crazy wound scenarios to human hair experiments because you can’t replicate them. Moreso, animals grow hair at the drop of a dime, so that aspect of Acell is moot.
Instead, I’m struck by one small part of the severed fingertip story. The fact that the guy’s new fingernail grows back faster than the rest makes me wonder if we can do the same for miniaturized follicles with the help of Acell.
» » You can’t just apply Acell to the scalp and assume it will specifically
» » target our dormant hair cells. Moreso, it would be naive of us to think
» » Acell can create completely new follicles (like the Follica concept).
» The
» » gentleman with the severed fingertip regrew a “younger” (quicker
» growing)
» » fingernail, but Acell was applied directly to his intact nail-bed. If
» you
» » continue that train of thought, we might be able to reverse the clock
» on
» » our follicles if we could get Acell to interact with them directly.
» »
» » So here are the big 3 questions someone smarter than me will have to
» » contend with:
» » 1) what’s the depth of hair follicles in the scalp?
» » 2) what will it take to get Acell to that depth… SAFELY (dermabrasion,
» » dermaroller, etc…)?
» » 3) could Acell be mixed with some other compound to make it more
» soluble
» » by those hair follicles?
» »
»
»
»
»
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES “NEW” FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL’s site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse’s snout. The dermis is completely gone.
»
»
» Follicle depth in the scalp is something like 4mm or so in the anagen
» phase.
»
» We dont know how much of the dermis will have to be removed to make ACELL
» to make new follicles, but I do know that FUE surgeries remove the entire
» hair follicle, so the holes created would be deep enough. I suppose they’d
» need to be left open and acell applied to the hole--------------in hopes
» that it would make a hair-follicle or follicular unit instead of just
» regrowing skin over the wound.
» »
» »
» »
» » .
i think you are too optimistic, i am sure the wound has to be very big in order for the acell powder to work, strip has a better chance, not fue and that sucks because i don’t think i want to go for strip, it looks very painful.
» Have you looked at the photos on their site?
»
» OF COURSE IT CREATES “NEW” FOLLICLES. The wound depth in some of the
» photos is BONE DEEP. The dermis is completely gone, period.
»
» GO to ACELL’s site and look at the pictures. Focus on the picture of the
» cat and horse’s snout. The dermis is completely gone.
And salamaders can regrow legs if you cut one off.
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