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» Saw palmetto has the highest amount of free form fatty acids of any natural
» substance. Saw Palmetto reduced DHT levels in the prostate by 32 percent in
» this study:
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/eutils/escan.fcgi?db=PubMed&uid=11337315&dopt=Citation&field=Title&DateField=MeshDate
»
» Here is the money sentence: “In the randomized trial, tissue DHT levels
» were reduced by 32% from 6.49 to 4.40 ng/g in the SPHB group (P <0.005),
» with no significant change in the placebo group”
»
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»
»
» my opinion----saw palmetto would seemingly be helpful on paper, but not as
» much as finasteride. But we wont know unless there is a big trial and that
» ain’t gonna happen, so I suppose folks just have to make decisions based
» on current information.
»
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»
»
» More on why Saw Palmetto “should” help DHT levels,…
»
» Assay Title: Determination of fatty acids in Serenoa repens (Saw Palmetto
» or sabel) by gas chromatography.
»
» Scope: This assay can be used to determine fatty acid distribution in Saw
» Palmetto fruit, oil extract, and blended powders. Determination is
» performed using gas chromatography, after transesterification of the
» triglycerides, followed by conversion into the methyl ester.
»
» Safety Precautions: Consult the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for any
» chemical used that is unfamiliar. All chemicals should be considered
» hazardous - avoid direct physical contact. For more safety information,
» see http://hazard.com/msds/.
»
» Background: Saw palmetto fruit contains several principles thought to have
» physiological activity, including fatty acids such as caproic, capric,
» lauric, myristic, oleic, palmitic, stearic, and 1 to 2% essential oils.
» Furthermore, it contains sterols and high molecular weight
» polysaccharides. Purified ethanolic or CO2 extracts of saw palmetto
» usually contain 70 to 80% free fatty acids. The fatty acids present are in
» several forms - free fatty acids, fatty acid esters of the fatty alcohols,
» and fatty acid esters of the phytosterols. This oil is commonly blended
» with excipients to form a dry powder at 30% free fatty acids
» concentration.
»
» Standards: Note: This is not an all-inclusive listing of sources for
» reference standards. World wide there are many reputable suppliers of
» botanical reference standards whose product may be used. However quality
» control protocol and/or government regulation may mandate further
» qualification of the materials for proper identity and purity.
»
» Apparatus
»
» FAME Carbon Chain Indofine Cat. No. Nu-Chek Prep Cat. No. Sigma Cat. No.
» Hexanoic (Caproic) C6:0 02-3324S N-6-M C5049
» Octanoic (Caprylic) C8:0 02-2853S N-8-M C3375
» Nonanoic (Pelargonic) C9:0 02-2834 N-9-M N5627
» Decanoic (Capric) C10:0 02-3321S N-10-M C2125
» Dodecanoic (Lauric) C12:0 02-3114 N-12-M L7272
» Tetradecanoic (Myristic) C14:0 02-3141 N-14-M M3378
» Hexadecanoic (Palmitic) C16:0 02-3177 N-16-M P5177
» Heptadecanoic (Margaric) C17:0 02-3467 N-17-M H4515
» Octadecanoic (Stearic) C18:0 02-3195 N-18-M S5376
» 9-Octadecenoic (Oleic) C18:1 02-2762S N-46-M O4754
» 9,12- Octadecadienoic (Linoleic) C18:2 02-3344S N-59-M L1876
» 9,12,15- Octadecatrienoic (Linolenic)
»
»
» Of these, the myrsitic, linolenic, palmitic, and lauric have been shown if
» memeory serves to inhibit alpha five reductase at varrying concentrations.
»
»
» Sterols probably just block androgen receptors more than inhibit alpha
» five reductase enzymes. Especially beta sitosterol.
»
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»
»
» An old study posted by hairsite done in Italy showed that Saw Palmetto
» reduced sebum, improved hair growth when given to men and a saw palmetto
» topical also helped the results further.

Saw Palmetto is one of the weakest DHT blockers out there, but some guys myself included respond extremely well to it,

Beta sis is 3000 times more powerful than Saw Palmetto, so I added that
pygeum and nettles will strenthen considerably , a natural dht blocker regimen, I feel they all work through different pathways since the more dht blockers I added the better my hair does

dont listen to the Natural, he has no clue of what he is talking about

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Hangin’.

I see you use 320 mgs of saw palmetto. I wonder what 640 would do if you divided up the dosages to 360 in the morning and 360 at night. WE dont know how much Saw Palmetto was used in the test, but a 32-percent reduction is about half of finasteride’s inhibition of DHT.

BTW—I think beta sis primarily sits on androgen receptors in all honesty. There is a patent out in Japan for beta sis’ topical usage in hairloss.

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» Hangin’.
»
» I see you use 320 mgs of saw palmetto. I wonder what 640 would do if you
» divided up the dosages to 360 in the morning and 360 at night. WE dont
» know how much Saw Palmetto was used in the test, but a 32-percent
» reduction is about half of finasteride’s inhibition of DHT.
»
»
» BTW—I think beta sis primarily sits on androgen receptors in all
» honesty. There is a patent out in Japan for beta sis’ topical usage in
» hairloss.

the Saw Palmetto should be standardized, which means the potency has been measured,

there have been studies which suggest that more than 320 of the Saw Palmetto does not increase effectiveness

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Saw Palmetto Is Garbage

  • Roger Mason

For years now I’ve been explaining why saw palmetto and similar herbs are useless, have no therapeutic effect, do not help prostate health in any way and are mere promotional scams. Yet, men keep buying countless millions of dollars worth of saw palmetto and other such worthless products every year.

Every chain drug store, natural food store, vitamin catalog and internet health site sells a saw palmetto product. No matter where you go you see saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum and other herbal prostate products sold. And all of them are equally worthless. In my book “The Natural Prostate Cure” it is explained why they have no value at all- there’s nothing in them. The active ingredient is the betasitosterol complex which includes beta-sitosterol, campesterol, stigmasterol and bassicasterol. In the trade all these are simply called “beta-sitosterol” or even “phytosterols” which means sterols from plants.

Beta sitosterol is literally two to three thousand time stronger than saw palmetto powder. This means you would have to eat two to three thousand capsules of saw palmetto powder to get one single capsule of beta sitosterol. What about the extracts, one might ask? The very, very best saw palmetto extracts are only ten to one extractions so you would still need to eat 200 to 300 capsules of saw palmetto extract. Notice what they say on the extract bottles, “contains 85% fatty acids and sterols”. This means you get 99% fatty acids and maybe 1% sterols- if you’re lucky.

So, where do you get beta-sitosterol? The three main sources for getting pure betasitosterol inexpensively by the ton are 1) sugar cane pulp after the sugar has been extracted, 2) soybeans after several other valuable ingredients (isoflavones, vitamin E, lecithin, etc.) have been extracted, and 3) pine oil after it has been processed for other products.

Want proof of how useless saw palmetto and Pygeum africanum are? Here is a typical study I Xeroxed from the Gazzetta Chimica Italiana volume 118 in 1988 (page 823). Some chemists at the University of Milan extracted saw palmetto berries and submitted them to very extensive analysis. Mostly they found common fatty acids like we find in our everyday foods. They found very minor amounts of caratenoids, alcohols, polysaccharides and a tiny, tiny bit of beta-sitosterol complex. In fact they found a mere one part in 5,000 of beta-sitosterols or only one fiftieth of one per cent. This means in this batch of saw palmetto berries you would have to eat 5,000 capsules to get less than 500 mg of beta-sitosterols.

You need a good 300 mg dose of beta-sitosterol daily to support good prostate health or to help normalize your cholesterol levels. You can double this if you have a more serious condition. Puritan’s Pride sells beta-sitosterol as “Cholestatin” but they refuse to tell you how much is in there!!! I thought there were laws against selling products and not revealing the amount of the active ingredient. Moducare sells a mere 30 mg of betasitosterol and has the nerve to charge $29.95 for it. This means you would have to eat ten capsules a day. Life Extension- as you would expect- sells a variety of saw palmetto products and refuses to sell pure beta-sitosterol.

The real problem with selling garbage like saw palmetto products is that a man with BPH (prostate enlargement) or prostatitis may look for a natural supplement to avoid the horrors of surgery, toxic drugs and ending up wearing diapers and never having sexual relations again. He takes saw palmetto for a few months, gets worse and decides that natural medicine is indeed a fraud and goes back to his family doctor. Many men are taking this as part of a comprehensive program for prostate cancer but legally we cannot and will not make or infer any claims whatsoever for cancer. There are published clinical studies that indicate beta-sitosterol may be a very powerful supplement for breast, colon and prostate cancers.

Curing your condition naturally is not a matter of taking some magic natural supplement though. If you have an enlarged prostate, prostate inflammation or outright cancer the way to cure yourself is to change your LIFESTYLE. Make better food choices and stop eating red meat, poultry, eggs, milk and dairy products. Take about 20 proven supplements and not just one or two. Test and balance your basic hormones and supplement any that are low, including testosterone, DHEA, pregnenolone, progesterone, melatonin, T3 and T4 thyroid hormones.

What 20 supplements? Well, to give you an idea some good supplements for a man or a woman over 40 would be beta-sitosterol 300 mg, PS (phosphatidyl serine) 100 mg, flax oil 1,000 mg, beta glucan 200 mg, acidophilus 3 billion units, FOS 750 mg, glucosamine 500 mg, CoQI0 100 mg, curcumin 500 mg, DIM 200 mg or I3C 400 mg, vitamin E 400 IU, vitamin D 400 IU, soy isoflavones 40 mg, NAC 600 mg, beta carotene 25,000 IU, L-glutamine 2 g a day, pregnenolone 50 mg (less for women), and melatonin 3 mg at night only. Instead of trying to take selenium, zinc, boron, molybdenum, iron, silicon, copper, chromium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iodine and vanadium- you can just take the Total Minerals product I just developed and get all of them at once in the amounts you need for pennies a day. No one on the face of the earth offers a decent mineral supplement with every mineral you need in the amounts required except Total Minerals.

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If blocking DHT, in and of itself, were the answer to hair loss, then Hang ups, you would not still be bald.

Stop over-simplifying this very complex issue.

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» According to Roger Mason, “VITAMIN C MEGADOSES- mega doses of anything are
» bad for you. Linus Pauling was wrong. Taking more than 250 mg of vitamin C
» has severe long term side effects.”

Animals make the equivalent of 10 - 12 grams a day of vitamin C[ascorbic acid]. Humans and a few other species of animal have lost their ability to manufacture vitamin C and must obtain it through diet.

Megadose vitamin C appears to have many curative properties. Nope, it will not cure baldness :wink:

quote:

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Vitamin C. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is required for normal host defense and functions. An analysis of vitamin C uptake and its effects on virus production and cellular proliferation was performed. Exposure to high concentrations of vitamin C preferentially decreased the proliferation and survival of HIV-infected cells and caused decreased viral production. Studies showed high concentrations of vitamin C were preferentially toxic to HIV-infected host cell lines in vitro (Harakeh et al. 1991; Rivas et al. 1997). When plasma levels were measured for all antioxidant micronutrients in persons with HIV and in controls, it was observed that these patients showed a significant depletion of all carotenoids (lutein, lycopene, alpha-carotene, etc.) and vitamin C.

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» If blocking DHT, in and of itself, were the answer to hair loss, then Hang
» ups, you would not still be bald.
»
» Stop over-simplifying this very complex issue.

nobody said blocking DHT is the ONLY solution to hair fallout or balding show me where I said that?

it is ONE of a large group of areas that can be addressed, that is why PROPECIA works, on lots of guys…does it work on everyone? NO , does that mean IT IS USELESS? No

Do dht blockers cure baldness …no…do they work on everyone …NO
do they work on a lot of people YES

so calling them useless just makes you look like a moron

If dht BLOCKERs were the CURE to baldness I would not be taking vits and minerals
or putting nizoral cream on my head

you oversimplify hair loss since you are a simple minded person
there is no ONE solution to hair loss
its a combination of treatments that YOU HOPE will work on you,

the same treatment that works on one person, has ZERO EFFECT on the next guy

that is why there will never be a CURE for balding and hair loss

I guarantee you i have more hair than you do moron, you are probably a NW7

this bullcrap "studies " you posted saying Saw Palmetto doesnt work are laughable and so are you

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» Saw Palmetto Is Garbage
»
» - Roger Mason
»
» For years now I’ve been explaining why saw palmetto and similar herbs are
» useless, have no therapeutic effect, do not help prostate health in any
» way and are mere promotional scams. Yet, men keep buying countless
» millions of dollars worth of saw palmetto and other such worthless
» products every year.
»
» Every chain drug store, natural food store, vitamin catalog and internet
» health site sells a saw palmetto product. No matter where you go you see
» saw palmetto, Pygeum africanum and other herbal prostate products sold.
» And all of them are equally worthless. In my book “The Natural Prostate
» Cure” it is explained why they have no value at all- there’s nothing in
» them. The active ingredient is the betasitosterol complex which includes
» beta-sitosterol, campesterol, stigmasterol and bassicasterol. In the trade
» all these are simply called “beta-sitosterol” or even “phytosterols” which
» means sterols from plants.
»
» Beta sitosterol is literally two to three thousand time stronger than saw
» palmetto powder. This means you would have to eat two to three thousand
» capsules of saw palmetto powder to get one single capsule of beta
» sitosterol. What about the extracts, one might ask? The very, very best
» saw palmetto extracts are only ten to one extractions so you would still
» need to eat 200 to 300 capsules of saw palmetto extract. Notice what they
» say on the extract bottles, “contains 85% fatty acids and sterols”. This
» means you get 99% fatty acids and maybe 1% sterols- if you’re lucky.
»
» So, where do you get beta-sitosterol? The three main sources for getting
» pure betasitosterol inexpensively by the ton are 1) sugar cane pulp after
» the sugar has been extracted, 2) soybeans after several other valuable
» ingredients (isoflavones, vitamin E, lecithin, etc.) have been extracted,
» and 3) pine oil after it has been processed for other products.
»
» Want proof of how useless saw palmetto and Pygeum africanum are? Here is a
» typical study I Xeroxed from the Gazzetta Chimica Italiana volume 118 in
» 1988 (page 823). Some chemists at the University of Milan extracted saw
» palmetto berries and submitted them to very extensive analysis. Mostly
» they found common fatty acids like we find in our everyday foods. They
» found very minor amounts of caratenoids, alcohols, polysaccharides and a
» tiny, tiny bit of beta-sitosterol complex. In fact they found a mere one
» part in 5,000 of beta-sitosterols or only one fiftieth of one per cent.
» This means in this batch of saw palmetto berries you would have to eat
» 5,000 capsules to get less than 500 mg of beta-sitosterols.
»
» You need a good 300 mg dose of beta-sitosterol daily to support good
» prostate health or to help normalize your cholesterol levels. You can
» double this if you have a more serious condition. Puritan’s Pride sells
» beta-sitosterol as “Cholestatin” but they refuse to tell you how much is
» in there!!! I thought there were laws against selling products and not
» revealing the amount of the active ingredient. Moducare sells a mere 30 mg
» of betasitosterol and has the nerve to charge $29.95 for it. This means you
» would have to eat ten capsules a day. Life Extension- as you would expect-
» sells a variety of saw palmetto products and refuses to sell pure
» beta-sitosterol.
»
» The real problem with selling garbage like saw palmetto products is that a
» man with BPH (prostate enlargement) or prostatitis may look for a natural
» supplement to avoid the horrors of surgery, toxic drugs and ending up
» wearing diapers and never having sexual relations again. He takes saw
» palmetto for a few months, gets worse and decides that natural medicine is
» indeed a fraud and goes back to his family doctor. Many men are taking this
» as part of a comprehensive program for prostate cancer but legally we
» cannot and will not make or infer any claims whatsoever for cancer. There
» are published clinical studies that indicate beta-sitosterol may be a very
» powerful supplement for breast, colon and prostate cancers.
»
» Curing your condition naturally is not a matter of taking some magic
» natural supplement though. If you have an enlarged prostate, prostate
» inflammation or outright cancer the way to cure yourself is to change your
» LIFESTYLE. Make better food choices and stop eating red meat, poultry,
» eggs, milk and dairy products. Take about 20 proven supplements and not
» just one or two. Test and balance your basic hormones and supplement any
» that are low, including testosterone, DHEA, pregnenolone, progesterone,
» melatonin, T3 and T4 thyroid hormones.
»
» What 20 supplements? Well, to give you an idea some good supplements for a
» man or a woman over 40 would be beta-sitosterol 300 mg, PS (phosphatidyl
» serine) 100 mg, flax oil 1,000 mg, beta glucan 200 mg, acidophilus 3
» billion units, FOS 750 mg, glucosamine 500 mg, CoQI0 100 mg, curcumin 500
» mg, DIM 200 mg or I3C 400 mg, vitamin E 400 IU, vitamin D 400 IU, soy
» isoflavones 40 mg, NAC 600 mg, beta carotene 25,000 IU, L-glutamine 2 g a
» day, pregnenolone 50 mg (less for women), and melatonin 3 mg at night
» only. Instead of trying to take selenium, zinc, boron, molybdenum, iron,
» silicon, copper, chromium, calcium, magnesium, manganese, iodine and
» vanadium- you can just take the Total Minerals product I just developed
» and get all of them at once in the amounts you need for pennies a day. No
» one on the face of the earth offers a decent mineral supplement with every
» mineral you need in the amounts required except Total Minerals.

thats why i take Beta sis in my regimen, or cant you read?
I continually state that Saw Palmetto is one of the weakest DHT blockers however I was lucky enough to respond to it very well

It has been stated on the board 1000 times that beta sis is 3000 times more potent than Saw Palmetto, you are about 3 yrs late posting this roger mason DISCOVERY, hell you can just enter Beta Sis 3000 and find a million websites saying the same thing…so whats the big deal about Roger Mason?

He sounds like he is your LEADER, did you come from the GIB board ?
I never quote one person as if his opinion means more than someone else, like you do

who the fk cares what this guy says ,:smiley: :smiley:

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Hang ups,

You are overdosing on DHT blockers, which could be potentially harmful, not to mention, just a big waste of money.

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The information that I provide here comes from various sources, of which Roger Mason is one.

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» Hang ups,
»
» You are overdosing on DHT blockers, which could be potentially harmful,
» not to mention, just a big waste of money.

overdosing no
i mostly skip days with my regimen, one off one on

but then again you are an expert on dht blockers i should have asked you first:-D :smiley:

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» The information that I provide here comes from various sources, of which
» Roger Mason is one.

you quote roger mason as if he was Jesus

makes you look like a sheep and he is your leader

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:stuck_out_tongue:

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Hang ups,

Stop being part of the problem. Re-read #2, and act accordingly.

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» Hang ups,
»
» Stop being part of the problem. Re-read #2, and act accordingly.

talking to yourself again?

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“Fats, oxalic acid (found in chocolate) phytic acid (found in grains) aspirin, barbiturates, strong sedatives, aluminum, neomycin, insufficient hydrochloric acid, insufficient vitamin D, and insufficient magnesium all inhibit calcium absorption.”

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I just try to eat my food groups seperate. Morning I’ll eat only raw fruit. Lunch I’ll eat only raw vegetables. Dinner I’ll eat only cooked fish or chicken. Everything else I eat I eat as a snack in between meals, but at seperate times.

I still eat dairy products though. I drink whey protein. I also make kefir which is a very good probiotic than lines your intestines with flora.

Perry

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"The first thing you can do is stop eating three meals a day. This is totally unnecessary and a big waste of time, money and energy to stuff ourselves three times every day- plus snacks. If you eat just twice a day you will feel better, be healthier, live longer, have less disease, have more free time and save lots of money. Skip breakfast or skip lunch or alternate skipping either one as you feel like it. Just eat two meals a day.

There are really only two books on calorie restriction written by Roy Walford. The 120 Year Diet and Maximum Lifespan are the two you should read. You can also read books by Dean Ornish, Terry Shintani,Michio Kushi, Robert Pritikin, the old Nathan Pritikin books, Neal Barnard, Gary Null and Susan Powter. It is fat that makes you fat, not food. You can lavishly flavor your food without using butter, lard, and oil.

Another thing you can do is fast once a week from dinner to dinner. Just eat dinner every Friday and then drink only water until Saturday dinner. All day Saturday you are free to do what we want without being bothered with meals. This gives your body a much needed rest and time to heal, cleanse and repair itself fifty-two times a year.

Quit eating refined grains like white flour, white rice, regular pasta, white bread and such and you will discover that whole grains taste better and can form the basis for your diet. If you will eat green and yellow vegetables and cook them in the various international ways you’ll find they can be delicious. The Asians are the premier vegetable cooks and only use fresh produce. Beans are a wonderful food and low in calories and fat. Fruit, especially locally grown fruit has no fat. Salads are wonderful if you use a low fat or no-fat dressing. Seafood generally is low in fat (exceptions are high fat fish such as swordfish, salmon, tuna, and catfish) and calories. You can actually eat more food and fewer calories and lose weight while your health gets better by simply making better food choices.

The less you eat the longer you’ll live and the better quality of life you’ll have. Calorie restriction is the most effective method known to prolong life."

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