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What happened after Dr.Mwamba\'s second visit to India?


#1

Apparantly Dr. Mwamba just went to India again per this interview.

http://hairlosscure2020.com/

But he has not mentioned anything on the forums or his site? Is he difinitely following Dr. Nigam’s protocol?


#2

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
Apparantly Dr. Mwamba just went to India again per this interview.

http://hairlosscure2020.com/

But he has not mentioned anything on the forums or his site? Is he difinitely following Dr. Nigam’s protocol?[/quote]

Haha. I like it how he compares himself to Henry Ford :smiley:

Anyway, Dr Mwamba was due to visit Nigam’s clinic one more time as per their agreements. From what I gathered he’s creating his own protocol. And let’s hope so cause Nigam’s doubling experiments failed as we now know.

Also I grinned when Nigam said that it’s better to visit Tsuji than visa versa :smiley: Like Tsuji is interested in Nigam’s pizza oven: http://drnigams.weebly.com/ :smiley: And he actually is saying that he is FURTHER than Tsuji Lab because he had success on humans: “only difference is I have achieved certain success on human scalp as against tsujis work on and with mouse cells”. Haha. Yeah sure, that’s why OBI’s HM procedure failed and Nigam never even did any research himself, let alone publish a thesis. And it’s coming from a guy who claimed to have grown hair on humans by simply injecting some stem cells :smiley: This guy just cracks me up. I hope he’ll keep doing this, it’s really good entertainment.


#3

The attacks against Dr. Nigam are rather unfair. Its nothing more than character assassination when some idiot tries to put him down with lame characterizations - e.g. pizza oven.

Im keeping an open mind. I hope Nigam accomplishes what he set out to in 2014.

Im not sure what Mwamba is working on. But if he does accomplish anything, he has to credit Nigam in some way for having shared what he does with him.

Not that I have much faith in hair multiplication as a cure, but if anything is discovered please keep it open source.


#4

I agree, although I am not very convinced about Dr Nigam anymore, I think there is a huge difference between justified criticism and some of the character assassination that is happening on this forum.

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by Freddie555[/postedby]
The attacks against Dr. Nigam are rather unfair. Its nothing more than character assassination when some idiot tries to put him down with lame characterizations - e.g. pizza oven.

Im keeping an open mind. I hope Nigam accomplishes what he set out to in 2014.

Im not sure what Mwamba is working on. But if he does accomplish anything, he has to credit Nigam in some way for having shared what he does with him.

Not that I have much faith in hair multiplication as a cure, but if anything is discovered please keep it open source.[/quote]


#5

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by Freddie555[/postedby]
The attacks against Dr. Nigam are rather unfair. Its nothing more than character assassination when some idiot tries to put him down with lame characterizations - e.g. pizza oven. [/quote]

So what do you think about this:

On switching patients in before after photo’s.

Dr Nigam switches patients in before-after photo’s several times. Most of the times he cuts out details that are too obvious and would reveal the difference immediately. I think this is the best example:

sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/GL/10-8-2013/Large/1.jpg
copy: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/2d3ba36aeffa35decddc5ee6a2719a24.jpg

You will see that the guy to the left has a huge bump on his forehead, the guy to the right doesn’t. What Nigam usually does is cut out the difference like he did here when he presented the photo:

sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/GL/B&A/Large/1.jpg
copy: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/88e0647fcea69297135e8f515888cc48.jpg

He uses this trick often. Even in his latest case of the 2 people with different hair structure (flat vs curly) →

http://www.drnigams.net/images/DK/1/Large/1.jpg
http://www.drnigams.net/images/DK/1/Large/6.jpg

By the hair structure alone it’s obvious this is a different guy. But when watching photo’s like this you should wonder … why does he show for the guy on the left the full face, but cuts off everything below the eyes on the right … By the way, analysis of several photo’s he showed for this case revealed that there were only 2 months between the photo’s, instead of the 7 he claimed.

On photoshopped pictures:

When Nigam came to these sites, he posted at least 3 photoshopped pictures on his website. This is one of them:

sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/too_big_01.jpg
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/44a359d6efdc5e0d8f30155e0e9792e4.jpg

There were more found on his website, at least 3 of them were published back then. I made a small collection of some of the most obvious ones:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/4b394d573cbfbc0f6b8c168985788df5.jpg
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/25867214531dad409612e74a37f6a479.jpg

Notice how every before-after picture is exactly the same, he just photoshopped in some hair (and changed some colors here and there for example of clothing). When he first got confronted with this, he defended the pictures to be true. When people mentioned that these were the same photo in the before-after comparison, which could for example easily be seen by the eyebrows, he couldn’t deny it anymore. He then blamed his webdeveloper who supposedly did this without his consent. Of course this is a blatant lie, no webdeveloper would go photoshopping before-after pictures and put in text about stem cells and what more. A webdeveloper creates websites based on the content a client supplies.

On his doubling technique.

He claimed several times he solved hairloss cause he supposedly could double each graft (which pretty much is a functional cure for most people). However on a browsable directory on his website, photo’s were found that he never published. These photo’s show that the actual test he ran failed.

In the photo’s below, ignore the circles, they don’t match (as always in his documentation, he just draws some random circles around any hair he sees). You’ll see that after 290 days, only 3 hairs grew (while he lost at least that in donor).

Day 1, showing the slits, just before graft insertion: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/e46011366aee055a002eddba8123c4d8.jpg
(this slit picture is best used for comparison to day 290)

Day 1, right after everything was done:
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/49835053d72c10f33b0ced46ebc2cd03.jpg

Day 290: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/0ccbc9252247f1e7309a49d2740f376b.jpg

Also admire the stellar picture quality in the slits photo. If you zoom in (click on the picture) you can see the most tiny hairs in perfect detail. If only he showed quality pictures like that to us, eh. Instead he chose a picture which is WAY more difficult to interpret.

On deception with certificates

This photo was found on his website:

sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/logo%20isams.jpg
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/60facbbdf1f0adec95de28c147b052fe.jpg

It says “ISAMS – Indian society of Aesthetic medicine & surgery”. That sounds interesting. When you google that, you won’t find much about this society apart from a telephone number:
http://www.justdial.com/Mumbai/Indian-Society-Of-Aesthetic-Medicine-%26-Surgery-<near>-Andheri-West/022PXX22-XX22-130108141904-Z8H5_BZDET

If you then google that telephone number you’ll find :

This ‘society’ is just Nigam himself !!!

He likes to do this little trick more often. For example watch this ‘certificate’:

sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/international_tip.jpg
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/50df5f3b1b8c0fa922da6a651468ab91.jpg

It says “International academy of Aesthetic medicine & surgery” and “European academy of aesthetic medicine & surgery”. Google them and you’ll end up at Nigam. Of course this one isn’t theoretically that bad, these ‘academies’ are just his, but it becomes more worrysome when he uses it to advertise:

http://drnigams.net/images/advertisement.jpg

It are these kind of worthless pictures that he puts up in his office everywhere. He even gives himself prizes and awards. Check out this picture and watch the certificates on the wall:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/19cb61f6a5868b21bba4dc48cee780f5.jpg

“International Stemcell Research award”. First notice the same font as in that other certificate. Then google that to find more info on that ‘international’ award. Good luck with that !

On fravd with graft comparison photo’s.

Nigam likes to compare grafts in photo’s. He isn’t really accurate there however He just puts some circles around some grafts that possibly couldn’t even relate to the other picture he shows (as for example in that 15 graft test photo that was shown earlier here). One really interesting example was this one though:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/c59f88b7be1d8628b2851166e0938976.jpg

He really made a study out of it. Except … the numbering doesn’t even match. It later turned out it wasn’t even the same part of the scalp. When confronted, Nigam blamed his IT people.

More photo fun.

Nigam doesn’t really seem to understand that human hair usually grows less than 1 cm/month. Cause this is what he can make hair grow in just 4 months:

http://drnigams.net/images/Savio/B-A/Large/3.jpg

Nigam’s own hair.

Nigam likes to show how he cured himself.


http://cdn.imghack.se/images/958a78b81391a0842461a8873469eb70.jpg
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/121cdd320bee9abfaf3bf50c19fc9abf.jpg

In that last picture you can see his before pictures, dated january 2012, while he has an amazing result only 5 months later. Looks too good to be true ? Well it is.

Nigam in 2011:

There are more vids, search for them. Didi posted a few but they got deleted on that Nigam sponsored forum.

Nigam and photo quality.

Dr Nigam got criticized a lot on his photo’s. Every time they are of extremely lousy quality. People got frustrated, some thought he might actually be onto something but just didn’t know how to demonstrate it and were even talking about crowdfunding a professional photographer to shoot the pictures.

After it was found that his images directory was browsable (here’s a image of the whole directory:
http://rapidshare.com/share/3F21103D...2092C2A709A99D )
it turned out there were pictures of stellar quality there, shot by a professional photographer . For an example, just look at the pre-op photo of the 15 graft test earlier in this thread. Nigam KNOWS how to shoot extremely good pictures, he just never shows them to you.

Dr nigam and professor Lauster

Dr Nigam claimed that Gerd Lauster and he were going to work together. When forum members called his lab, the people there didn’t even know who Nigam was. Nigam later denied that he ever said this. Unfortunately some posts got deleted on that Nigam sponsored forum but if you search tb.t you’ll find a post where he says “After this visit, chairman of Tissuse and Gerd visited Mumbai in January 2013 for the potential try for clinical trials in Mumbai. We reached very close to the tie up with terms and conditions but I wanted some more time before investing “

Also this picture was posted on his website:
sitelink: http://drnigams.net/images/111.jpg
copy: http://cdn.imghack.se/images/b67d3b7ee80de252fff8c60f42e0827b.jpg

Nigam recently mailed me:

“I have never said that I am working with Lauster “

Just some links to complaints regarding his current and previous adventure, his weightloss clinic:

Reviews of Dr. Nigam Hair Transplant Clinic, Andheri East, Mumbai | Dr. Nigam Hair Transplant Clinic, Hair Clinic reviews in Mumbai - asklaila
Dr Nigam - False Claims about stem cell
Dr. Nigams - Beware
DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CENTRE - MUMBAI HEALTH CLUBS / FITNESS PARLOURS Reviews, DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CENTRE - MUMBAI HEALTH CLUBS / FITNESS PARLOURS India, Gym, Membership, Equipments
DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CENTRE - BHOPAL HEALTH CLUBS / FITNESS PARLOURS Review, DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CENTRE - BHOPAL HEALTH CLUBS / FITNESS PARLOURS India, DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CENTRE - BHOPAL HEALTH CLUBS / FITNESS PARLOURS Gym, DR. NIGAM’S SLIMMING CE
Dr. Nigam’s Good Health Pvt. Ltd

When confronted with the complaints against his weightloss clinic, he said that this wasn’t his clinic. On youtube video’s though he claims several times, even on Indian television that it was HIS clinic. Furthermore he claimed that all the complaints regarding his hairloss business were written by angry competitors …

And this is where it all happens: Image - TinyPic - Gratis foto’s delen en afbeeldingen & video’s hosten :smiley:


#6

You know, the schizophrenic thing about this forum is that when I post evidence and pure facts of how close we are to a cure everybody here says “Nah, it will take years, we’re so far away” or “a cure will never be found” or “it will always be 10 years from now”.

BUT when Nigam comes to these forum with some BS photo’s, everybody jumps for joy. And when I show them it is nothing but BS, they STILL think he might be onto something… That I just don’t get. What’s up with that, really Freddy, can you explain that to me ? Cause I’m really about to lose faith in you guys :slight_smile: It was also a shock to me that everybody here seemed to think that Tsuji was only using mouse cells. Even Hairman2, who I considered to be one of the few smart guys here. This lab makes the biggest progress in history and nobody here understands it !?! And then this huge base of Nigam fans here (that really didnt exist elsewhere) … What’s up with all this.


#7

Nice summary Lindo. Just to be balanced, has Dr. Nigam ever actually offered what could be considered solid evidence for one of his claims?


#8

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by walrus[/postedby]
Nice summary Lindo. Just to be balanced, has Dr. Nigam ever actually offered what could be considered solid evidence for one of his claims?[/quote]

Never ! Only some horrible photo’s, even in black and white. Still it was enough for most people to get excited here. I know you’ve been one of the few sceptics, together with Mr Z but you guys really formed a minority.


#9

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by walrus[/postedby]
Nice summary Lindo. Just to be balanced, has Dr. Nigam ever actually offered what could be considered solid evidence for one of his claims?

[postedby]Originally Posted by Lindo[/postedby]

Never ! Only some horrible photo’s, even in black and white. Still it was enough for most people to get excited here. I know you’ve been one of the few sceptics, together with Mr Z but you guys really formed a minority.[/quote]

I agree Lindo. But I don’t believe any of these guys until I see hair on a human head. It does not take that long to start a clinical trial, just takes forever(in the USA)to complete one. If the latest findings are revolutionary, then start a clinical trial, show some hair and I promise their cup will run over with funding… It does seem they always says “if we had little more money we could resolve…” but nothing ever seems to get resolved.


#10

[quote]I think this is the best example:

You will see that the guy to the left has a huge bump on his forehead, the guy to the right doesn’t. What Nigam usually does is cut out the difference like he did here when he presented the photo:
[/quote]

I don’t have time to rebutt all your claims so I’m picking the one you described as the best example. The guy is obviously the same person. His head is just at a slightly different angle. Tilt your head from the side in the mirror and you will see a forehead bump or no bump depending on a slight variation of the angle.

Secondly Nigam is a medical doctor in India. He has a bunch of clinics some in major cities.

Third, there isn’t a doctor in the hair transplant industry who doesn’t have dissatisfied patients. A hair transplant in my opinion is just a road to a whole new set of miseries which is why I will never have one. Hair continues to fall out after 1 to 3 years while the transplanted hairs remain making the whole thing look worse than normal hair loss.

Admittedly however his web site is shoddy and his webmaster needs to get the boot.

Nigam spends a lot of time explaining what he does and posts pictures of his results most of the time. He has little to gain from this relative to the sheer amount of effort he puts into typing out all he does. The results often none too promising but he posts them anyways. Any shyster who wanted to fool people would be posting stellar results all the time and skip right over any skeptic attempting to engage in conversation about the science behind his method. He’s doing that even in the midst of all you nameless, faceless coc&suckers dishing out abuse after abuse. Put yourself in his shoes.

Relative to cancer research, there are almost no researchers in this field of hair loss looking for a treatment let alone a cure. You are new on this forum and you’re dumb as a box of rocks if you think a cure is magically going to show up in 8 years. If you keep attacking the handful who are trying to get us somewhere and drive them from here, we will have NOBODY showing up here and nobody willing to share their efforts with us. He isn’t perfect but he is TRYING to get somewhere. You can see that in the way he goes about describing what he’s thinking about and how he’s going about it.

Keep attacking these few pioneers and you fu&kers will all die bald.


#11

LOL. Sorry you’re really delusional, can’t make anything else out of your reply. And about this:

[quote]
Keep attacking these few pioneers and you fu&kers will all die bald.[/quote]

What did Nigam add to our current knowledge ? Tell me cause I’d love to know ! Just one thing !! Just one thing he found out that brought us closer to our goal. Right. There’s nothing. Nothing but photoshopped pictures and lies (like: I’ll make 60.000 hairs out of 300 by just injecting some stem cells kind of lies). If you still believe in him after all his lies, after his failed 15 graft test, after the failed HM result for OBI, after Wesley’s misery, well then, good for you. I suggest you get on that plane to India tomorrow and get him to do a treatment on you. You REALLY deserve to pay for flight, hotel & stay and your treatment (adding easily up to over $10.000) and then to get the same result as OBI and Wesley got (destroyed donor and beard). Good luck man !

The hairloss community needs REAL researchers. Like Tsuji, Jahoda & Lauster. People who now have almost solved this damn disease. What we do NOT need is snake oil salesmen trying to make a buck out of our misery.


#12

It is very hard to figure out Dr. Nigam. But why are western doctors interested in him (especially Gerd from Europe)? This consistent delay in the cure is a bit depressing.


#13

You’re a twisted creepy little Napolean.

I’ll go to India if and when I want to.

And if you don’t want to go then don’t.

[quote]LOL. Sorry you’re really delusional, can’t make anything else out of your reply. And about this:

Keep attacking these few pioneers and you fu&kers will all die bald.

[postedby]Originally Posted by Lindo[/postedby]

What did Nigam add to our current knowledge ? Tell me cause I’d love to know ! Just one thing !! Just one thing he found out that brought us closer to our goal. Right. There’s nothing. Nothing but photoshopped pictures and lies (like: I’ll make 60.000 hairs out of 300 by just injecting some stem cells kind of lies). If you still believe in him after all his lies, after his failed 15 graft test, after the failed HM result for OBI, after Wesley’s misery, well then, good for you. I suggest you get on that plane to India tomorrow and get him to do a treatment on you. You REALLY deserve to pay for flight, hotel & stay and your treatment (adding easily up to over $10.000) and then to get the same result as OBI and Wesley got (destroyed donor and beard). Good luck man !

The hairloss community needs REAL researchers. Like Tsuji, Jahoda & Lauster. People who now have almost solved this damn disease. What we do NOT need is snake oil salesmen trying to make a buck out of our misery.[/quote]


#14

And Lindo is trying to delay treatment longer by stopping the maverick researchers.

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
It is very hard to figure out Dr. Nigam. But why are western doctors interested in him (especially Gerd from Europe)? This consistent delay in the cure is a bit depressing.[/quote]


#15

[quote]And Lindo is trying to delay treatment longer by stopping the maverick researchers.

[postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
It is very hard to figure out Dr. Nigam. But why are western doctors interested in him (especially Gerd from Europe)? This consistent delay in the cure is a bit depressing.

[postedby]Originally Posted by jarjarbinx[/postedby][/quote]

And you are getting paid by Nigam to get people to his clinic so that he can steal their money and sell them worthless treatments. Or something like that would be the reasoning if I followed your crazy line of thought.

Really, get psychiatric help, I really really think you need that. Really, go see a doctor, I’m sure they can get you in contact with the professional help you need. Or at least get you on some medication. You’ve lost all grip on reality.


#16

Let’s focus on the Israeli project.

[quote]And Lindo is trying to delay treatment longer by stopping the maverick researchers.

[postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
It is very hard to figure out Dr. Nigam. But why are western doctors interested in him (especially Gerd from Europe)? This consistent delay in the cure is a bit depressing.

[postedby]Originally Posted by jarjarbinx[/postedby]

[postedby]Originally Posted by Lindo[/postedby]

And you are getting paid by Nigam to get people to his clinic so that he can steal their money and sell them worthless treatments. Or something like that would be the reasoning if I followed your crazy line of thought.

Really, get psychiatric help, I really really think you need that. Really, go see a doctor, I’m sure they can get you in contact with the professional help you need. Or at least get you on some medication. You’ve lost all grip on reality.[/quote]


#17

Seems like Nigam has now started doing 3D spheroids stuff successfully.


#18

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
Seems like Nigam has now started doing 3D spheroids stuff successfully.[/quote]

LOL. Care to explain that last word in your sentence ? :smiley:


#19

Lol well I guess we can not know if its successful or not…but maybe Jahoda really gave him the secret to doing it. I was looking at the latest photos on:
www.hairlosscure2020.com


#20

[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by tembo[/postedby]
Lol well I guess we can not know if its successful or not…but maybe Jahoda really gave him the secret to doing it. I was looking at the latest photos on:
www.hairlosscure2020.com[/quote]

Hehe. Is that JarJarbinxes blog ? Surely looks like it. Anyway, Jahoda couldnt possibly give away any ‘secrets’ cause there are none. Still a lot of research is needed before his finding can translate into something cosmetically useful.

What Nigam is doing is outright dangerous. As both jahoda and Tsuji lab agreed: cysts will form without using a guiding mechanism for the hairs. Nigam didnt do that, so his test patient will most likely develop cysts, so he might need extended surgery to remove them, messing up his whole recipient, scarring him for life. Also very likely is that his hair will look totally weird and ugly: wrong thickness, wrong angle, wrong colour. That is, if succesfull at all. And then there’s the real chance of cancer. Who knows what happens when you add a bunch of growth factors to cultured cells that only are 22% genetic similar to the original ones ?

In my opinion Nigam should be in jail. I highly HIGHLY doubt that what he’s currently doing is legal, even in a 3rd world country like India.