» » by sanding your scalp, and as you say, the pain was
» » incredible…you are risking disfigurement and treading into an
» area
» » u know nothing about. are you a physician? what if you scar your head
» and
» » you cannot undo the damage
» »
» » 01) people who are so desperate for results they
» would do what you did , to
» » themselves, well to me thats just nuts
» »
» » 02) what is so bad about being naturally bald?
» If you were told today that
» » there is nothing u can do about your hair, for the rest of your life,
» what
» » would you do? are u mature enough to handle it?
»
» 01) Baccy is an adult. I’m sure he’s fully aware of the repercussions.
how can he be fully aware of the repercussions if he doesnt know what the result will be of his sanding? This reminds me of people who do no research , go to a plastic surgeon they found in the yellow pages. and are permanently scarred, then complain about it. Then it turns out the doc is not even board certified and is not even a surgeon and went to some weekend course. Who is to blame? the person who did 5 minutes of research and went to the doc in the first place.
Ill informed medical decisions by ill informed people…cause a lot of damage in this country. People need to not see medical procedures in the same light as popping an aspirin, and take caution. I see his actions as nuts. You are free to disagree
» 02) There’s nothing wrong with being naturally bald. Than again, this is a
» hair research forum.
»
»
»
»
»
» .
» Ill informed medical decisions by ill informed people…cause a
» lot of damage in this country. People need to not see medical procedures in
» the same light as popping an aspirin, and take caution. I see his actions
» as nuts. You are free to disagree
That’s a very valid point that belongs on a totally different forum.
Coming to the HM research forum assumes a certain amount of outside-the-box mentality and a greater-than-average openness to risk taking, whether everyone reading here actually participates in it or just observes.
If you can’t cope with this, then you don’t have to post here. But this is just annoying.
This is 1903. The Wright brothers are trying to build a plane. And you’re standing there yelling “You pathetic idiots, humans can’t fly!” at them. You’re repeating it every day, all day long, in response to every sentence that Orville or Wilbur says to one another. You’re calling them insane morons who don’t realize that falling out of a plane would be dangerous.
So, does this make you the smart one in the room? Because you know that what they’re trying to do is unlikely to work but has a real chance to hurt or kill them? Are you the only one that is aware of this fact? Is it your job to inform them of this, since they obviously don’t realize that trying to fly a glider up in the air is dangerous?
» how can he be fully aware of the repercussions if he doesnt know what the
» result will be of his sanding? This reminds me of people who do no research
» , go to a plastic surgeon they found in the yellow pages. and are
» permanently scarred, then complain about it. Then it turns out the doc is
» not even board certified and is not even a surgeon and went to some weekend
» course. Who is to blame? the person who did 5 minutes of research and went
» to the doc in the first place.
»
» Ill informed medical decisions by ill informed people…cause a
» lot of damage in this country. People need to not see medical procedures in
» the same light as popping an aspirin, and take caution. I see his actions
» as nuts. You are free to disagree
Baccy’s had the advice of some rather educated board members along with a fairly thorough patent for reference. That’s hardly comparable to someone whose done no research.
Of course his process won’t be iron clad, of course sandpapering is dangerous, and of course a large wound wasn’t necessary… Just because I wouldn’t follow suit doesn’t mean I’m not curious in his findings.
» » Ill informed medical decisions by ill informed people…cause a
» » lot of damage in this country. People need to not see medical procedures
» in
» » the same light as popping an aspirin, and take caution. I see his
» actions
» » as nuts. You are free to disagree
»
» That’s a very valid point that belongs on a totally different forum.
»
» Coming to the HM research forum assumes a certain amount of
» outside-the-box mentality and a greater-than-average openness to risk
» taking, whether everyone reading here actually participates in it or just
» observes.
»
» If you can’t cope with this, then you don’t have to post here. But this
» is just annoying.
»
»
»
»
» This is 1903. The Wright brothers are trying to build a plane. And
» you’re standing there yelling “You pathetic idiots, humans can’t fly!” at
» them. You’re repeating it every day, all day long, in response to every
» sentence that Orville or Wilbur says to one another. You’re calling them
» insane morons who don’t realize that falling out of a plane would be
» dangerous.
»
» So, does this make you the smart one in the room? Because you know that
» what they’re trying to do is unlikely to work but has a real chance to hurt
» or kill them? Are you the only one that is aware of this fact? Is it your
» job to inform them of this, since they obviously don’t realize that trying
» to fly a glider up in the air is dangerous?
I am not saying HM will never work
it probably will, someday
but you guys thinking it will be here in two years when no current company is even testing a procedure
is unreasonable
if you dont like my posts dont read them, I am well known for expressing my opinion
you say i am standing there saying,hey man cant fly…I am not saying that
but you by telling me to stay off the board…are of the same mindset as communist countries…stifling of free speech, you must toe the party line…if you dont , you will be deported arrested, detained, muzzled…what kind of a board is that?
» » how can he be fully aware of the repercussions if he doesnt know
» what the
» » result will be of his sanding? This reminds me of people who do no
» research
» » , go to a plastic surgeon they found in the yellow pages. and are
» » permanently scarred, then complain about it. Then it turns out the doc
» is
» » not even board certified and is not even a surgeon and went to some
» weekend
» » course. Who is to blame? the person who did 5 minutes of research and
» went
» » to the doc in the first place.
» »
» » Ill informed medical decisions by ill informed people…cause
» a
» » lot of damage in this country. People need to not see medical procedures
» in
» » the same light as popping an aspirin, and take caution. I see his
» actions
» » as nuts. You are free to disagree
»
» Baccy’s had the advice of some rather educated board members along with a
» fairly thorough patent for reference. That’s hardly comparable to someone
» whose done no research.
»
» Of course his process won’t be iron clad, of course sandpapering is
» dangerous, and of course a large wound wasn’t necessary… Just because I
» wouldn’t follow suit doesn’t mean I’m not curious in his findings.
»
»
»
» .
» I am not saying HM will never work
» it probably will, someday
»
» but you guys thinking it will be here in two years when no current company
» is even testing a procedure
» is unreasonable
»
» if you dont like my posts dont read them, I am well known for expressing
» my opinion
»
» you say i am standing there saying,hey man cant fly…I am
» not saying that
»
» but you by telling me to stay off the board…are of the same
» mindset as communist countries…stifling of free speech,
» you must toe the party line…if you dont , you will be deported
» arrested, detained, muzzled…what kind of a
» board is that?
You’re welcome to your opinion, of course, but I’d like to correct you on two points:
Follica IS testing. Here’s the number (617)726-5066. Call them yourself.
Your communist comments easily apply to us (not just you). Sometimes it feels like you’re stifling/ skewing OUR free speech as much as you think we’re affecting yours.
» » I am not saying HM will never work
» » it probably will, someday
» »
» » but you guys thinking it will be here in two years when no current
» company
» » is even testing a procedure
» » is unreasonable
» »
» » if you dont like my posts dont read them, I am well known for
» expressing
» » my opinion
» »
» » you say i am standing there saying,hey man cant fly…I
» am
» » not saying that
» »
» » but you by telling me to stay off the board…are of the same
» » mindset as communist countries…stifling of free
» speech,
» » you must toe the party line…if you dont , you will be deported
» » arrested, detained, muzzled…what kind of a
» » board is that?
»
» You’re welcome to your opinion, of course, but I’d like to correct you on
» two points:
» 01) Follica IS testing. Here’s the number (617)726-5066. Call them
» yourself.
» 02) Your communist comments easily apply to us (not just you). Sometimes
» it feels like you’re stifling/ skewing OUR free speech as much as you think
» we’re affecting yours.
»
»
»
»
» .
follica is testing in humans for hair growth?
if so when did they start the tests? if recently it will be 10 yrs to get to market IF they get the funding and IF IT WORKS…
i dont tell guys to stop posting get off the board
i have a big mouth i admit but i ask legit questions…I say , do you really think this will be here in 2 yrs? then you guys scream bloody murder since i am not one of the cheerleaders…and post comments like…lets just ignore the troublemakers …HANGIN SHUT UP, etc etc
» follica is testing in humans for hair growth?
» if so when did they start the tests? if recently it will be 10 yrs to get
» to market IF they get the funding and IF IT WORKS…
»
»
» i dont tell guys to stop posting get off the board
»
» i have a big mouth i admit but i ask legit questions…I say , do
» you really think this will be here in 2 yrs? then you guys scream bloody
» murder since i am not one of the cheerleaders…and post
» comments like…lets just ignore the troublemakers …HANGIN SHUT
» UP, etc etc
»
» you guys bring it on yourselves
You bring it on yourself too I’m afraid.
Anyways, I’m not going to tell you to shut up, and I’m not going to argue with you for the sake of arguing either; you’re entitled to your opinion. I’m merely pointing out your speculations are similar to Nathan’s. The difference being you’re arguing the easy side of this debate. It’s easy to argue something will fail and walk away; it’s harder to make things work.
» I am not saying HM will never work
» it probably will, someday
»
» but you guys thinking it will be here in two years when no current company
» is even testing a procedure
There are many company testing HM procedure, even in China, Europe, America etc… such arguments like your are useless. HM could become avaiable next year or between twenty, NO ONE can be sure about that.
» Regrowth minimal and not cosmetically viable at the moment. But there are
» new follicles there albeit most of them small, faint and not very dark.
» However, there are isolated occurrences of large black dots signifying
» developed follicles. I’m on Day 20 post wounding and I intend to do my next
» wounding experiment using tannic acid (low concentration; it’s dangerous
» stuff) and curcumin (very safe) as the topical EGF inhibitor along with
» caffeine, dmso, lithium orotate (wnt upregulator) and emu oil.
» Nothing really to show on photos at the moment guys but I’m sufficiently
» excited about this procedure to try different protocols.
» I’m one of a few people who are conducting this self experimentation.
» People who are tired of waiting for commercial availability of a solution
» to our very underestimated problem.
» I am probably alone however, in the fact that I am NW7 and I am conducting
» the home follica experiment OVER THE ENTIRE TOP OF THE SCALP. There is no
» hair to get in the way as I shave my head.
» I’m not looking for thick density. I’m looking for a light density
» covering of terminal hair that I can crop down to 10mm to take the edge off
» my vast expanse of bald scalp.
» I’m certain that this thing works in principle.
» I’m not prepared to wait any longer for red tape or nefarious ‘under the
» table’ deals that may or may not prevent commercialising technology that
» will end our ordeal.
» 20 days ago I sanded my entire scalp. Heavily. Then I applied a 30% acid
» peel onto the raw skin. The pain was incredible. That is the degree of my
» commitment. Today, I’m seeing results from that, albeit minimal. Being
» entirely bald, the results are obvious, to me at least.
» I’m prepared to experiment further with this.
» All I can say to guys out there who aren’t trying this is to be cautiously
» optimistic. There’s nothing to show on pictures yet but be assured, should
» results warrant it, I will procure a digital camera and take pictures.
» Hopefully, some of those faint follicles will get darker and larger.
»
» A word to the wise. From a man who has been there.
» DO NOT GO FOR A HAIR SYSTEM.
» These glue-on WIGS will make it more difficult for follicle revival as
» well as looking like crap after about a week.
We have to bear in mind that the home-made Follica is just a shot in the dark basically. We “think” we activate the “window” (turn the cells into a primitive state) and apply the correct compounds needed to “program” these cells to make hair.
What Follica is doing now is the smart way. From the funding they got, they have bought nice equipment, instruments, and will in a detailed manner study what exactly (at least more exact than us) happens when you shake the cells a bit. Do they go to a primitive state, what kind of cells are activated, what happens (maybe) to nearby, dormant hair follicles, etc. Seeing this whole process will give them a hint on what drugs are best to use, when to use them, etc. Just look at their team on the website, each person is a big expert in a certain field, for example drug delivery.
I will never forget the story about a young guy getting his hair back with severe wounding (and probably application of some anti-inflammatory compounds to the scalp). But this was a 13-14 year old boy. Now we have DHT, and that might turn out to be a problem. Either Baccy and guys that have a non-significant regrowth are doing nothing wrong, but DHT is the one preventing them, or they are doing it in a wrong way (maybe partially correct since some regrowth is observed) since they are not studying what exactly the cells are doing after wounding. In the latter case we cannot conclude that Follica will not succeed. Even if you use the medications they have in the patent, there are many of them so you might have taken a wrong choice, and also maybe they should be delivered in a different way.
So what Follica is doing now is very important I think since what they see from the wounding might turn out to be crucial for the whole project. I also wonder if they maybe already have studied someone they know, and they have seen the results already, and are now just trying to see if the same happens to more people.
» Regrowth minimal and not cosmetically viable at the moment. But there are
» new follicles there albeit most of them small, faint and not very dark.
» However, there are isolated occurrences of large black dots signifying
» developed follicles. I’m on Day 20 post wounding and I intend to do my next
» wounding experiment using tannic acid (low concentration; it’s dangerous
» stuff) and curcumin (very safe) as the topical EGF inhibitor along with
» caffeine, dmso, lithium orotate (wnt upregulator) and emu oil.
» Nothing really to show on photos at the moment guys but I’m sufficiently
» excited about this procedure to try different protocols.
» I’m one of a few people who are conducting this self experimentation.
» People who are tired of waiting for commercial availability of a solution
» to our very underestimated problem.
» I am probably alone however, in the fact that I am NW7 and I am conducting
» the home follica experiment OVER THE ENTIRE TOP OF THE SCALP. There is no
» hair to get in the way as I shave my head.
» I’m not looking for thick density. I’m looking for a light density
» covering of terminal hair that I can crop down to 10mm to take the edge off
» my vast expanse of bald scalp.
» I’m certain that this thing works in principle.
» I’m not prepared to wait any longer for red tape or nefarious ‘under the
» table’ deals that may or may not prevent commercialising technology that
» will end our ordeal.
» 20 days ago I sanded my entire scalp. Heavily. Then I applied a 30% acid
» peel onto the raw skin. The pain was incredible. That is the degree of my
» commitment. Today, I’m seeing results from that, albeit minimal. Being
» entirely bald, the results are obvious, to me at least.
» I’m prepared to experiment further with this.
» All I can say to guys out there who aren’t trying this is to be cautiously
» optimistic. There’s nothing to show on pictures yet but be assured, should
» results warrant it, I will procure a digital camera and take pictures.
» Hopefully, some of those faint follicles will get darker and larger.
»
» A word to the wise. From a man who has been there.
» DO NOT GO FOR A HAIR SYSTEM.
» These glue-on WIGS will make it more difficult for follicle revival as
» well as looking like crap after about a week.
Baccy, nidhogge over at regrowth.com says he is happy with his results. So you think he got a better regrowth than you? Are you using the same procedure?
» » I am not saying HM will never work
» » it probably will, someday
» »
» » but you guys thinking it will be here in two years when no current
» company
» » is even testing a procedure
»
» There are many company testing HM procedure, even in China, Europe,
» America etc… such arguments like your are useless. HM could become
» avaiable next year or between twenty, NO ONE can be sure about that.
yes i could win 100 million in the lottery tomorrow too…how likely is this though
» » follica is testing in humans for hair growth?
» » if so when did they start the tests? if recently it will be 10 yrs to
» get
» » to market IF they get the funding and IF IT WORKS…
» »
» »
» » i dont tell guys to stop posting get off the board
» »
» » i have a big mouth i admit but i ask legit questions…I say , do
» » you really think this will be here in 2 yrs? then you guys scream
» bloody
» » murder since i am not one of the cheerleaders…and post
» » comments like…lets just ignore the troublemakers …HANGIN
» SHUT
» » UP, etc etc
» »
» » you guys bring it on yourselves
»
» You bring it on yourself too I’m afraid.
»
» Anyways, I’m not going to tell you to shut up, and I’m not going to argue
» with you for the sake of arguing either; you’re entitled to your opinion.
» I’m merely pointing out your speculations are similar to Nathan’s. The
» difference being you’re arguing the easy side of this debate. It’s easy to
» argue something will fail and walk away; it’s harder to make things work.
»
»
»
» .
whats the point of arguing that HM will be here soon, if it comes to market it will come to market, with or without all the speculation on this board…I am sure the scientists do not think the sun rises or sets based on what the HM board at hairsite says
»
» Baccy, nidhogge over at regrowth.com says he is happy with his results. So
» you think he got a better regrowth than you? Are you using the same
» procedure?
It does seem that he had better results than I did. I’m waiting for him to post pictures. However, I get the impression that Nidhogge isn’t very bald.
I’m looking for entire coverage, albeit low density.
» »
» » Baccy, nidhogge over at regrowth.com says he is happy with his results.
» So
» » you think he got a better regrowth than you? Are you using the same
» » procedure?
»
» It does seem that he had better results than I did. I’m waiting for him to
» post pictures. However, I get the impression that Nidhogge isn’t very bald.
»
» I’m looking for entire coverage, albeit low density.
how long have you been thinning, how large a bald area do you have and how long has this area been bald?
I have a bald spot in the crown been there for 15 yrs before i added my dht blockers in 1999, I believe it is extremely difficult to get regrowth after the area has been bald for 5 to 10 yrs
Follica is now recruiting for human trials. Try reading the board instead of trolling, and you’d know this.
» if recently it will be 10 yrs to get
» to market IF they get the funding and IF IT WORKS…
10 years? Where did you get that number from? Stop making stuff up.
» i dont tell guys to stop posting get off the board
Hey buddy, stop crying. Someone says they want to abrade their scalp, and you pipe in like some kind of babysitter? Are you looking for a medal? Can you say annoying little dick? Do you think anyone is going to heed your advice, given that you know nothing about anyhing? You’re a troll. And an ignorant one at that.
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