The History of HST by Dr. Gho

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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When did HST start?

to my knowledge it was being tested over the last 4-5 years, this after years of research prior to, and then was really just beginning to be offered to the public in the last year or so

some people are saying that Gho has been making these claims (and offering these services) for the last 12 years?

which is correct?

don’t make any statements or posts without links to your specific sources (preferably not previous threads the original sources that back each statement)

were talking about a 12 year span here. as long as people who have no sources or links refrain from this thread we should be able to keep the thread short and sweet. there should be no need for multiple pages of bickering

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HST started in 2005 after the bankrupcy.
But before HST, Gho had “FM” since the early 2000s.
And since 1998 or before, Gho became famous because he announced the imminent launch of a cell-based Hair Multiplication.

Links? Do your research, moron.

» When did HST start?
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» to my knowledge it was being tested over the last 4-5 years, this after
» years of research prior to, and then was really just beginning to be
» offered to the public in the last year or so
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» some people are saying that Gho has been making these claims (and offering
» these services) for the last 12 years?
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» which is correct?
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» don’t make any statements or posts without links to your specific sources
» (preferably not previous threads the original sources that back each
» statement)

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» When did HST start?
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» to my knowledge it was being tested over the last 4-5 years, this after
» years of research prior to, and then was really just beginning to be
» offered to the public in the last year or so

Good question.

What Spanish Dude FAILS to understand (or maybe he is deliberately ignoring this), is that the actual “HST” procedure only came into being relatively recently.

It is NOT the same procedure that Dr. Gho was doing 12 years ago.

It is NOT the same procedure to which Gho lost intellectual property rights, which the bank ABN-AMRO (and its successors in interest, including Royal Bank of Scotland and Banco Santander) grabbed when ABN cut funding to Gho and took over the GHO-Clinic (which is now being run by other doctors).

It would be impossible for HST to be the same as any of those procedures, since Gho owns a SEPARATE patent on it, and the patent is NOT for the 12-year-old procedure, but for a new procedure just developed in the past few years (and which Gho holds patent rights to).

By the way, Gho’s patent rights mean nothing practically (they are only symbolic), because in most countries (EU and USA included), patent rights are not enforceable against doctors infringing on patented medical procedures.

HOWEVER, Spanish Dude is completely wrong when he assumes that Gho’s 12-year-old procedure (which obviously wasn’t very good, or else his deal with ABN-AMRO wouldn’t have been cancelled, and someone else would be using that procedure with successful results right now) is the same as HST.

Once again, Spanish Dude is guilty of hubris, clumsy and sloppy thinking, unscientific analysis, bias, and prejudice.

¡ABAJO CON EL FALANGISMO!

¡ABAJO CON EL FASCISMO!

¡ABAJO CON SPANISH DUDE!

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eh, troll, I am very awared of everything about HST.

» » When did HST start?
» »
» »
» » to my knowledge it was being tested over the last 4-5 years, this after
» » years of research prior to, and then was really just beginning to be
» » offered to the public in the last year or so
»
»
» Good question.
»
» What Spanish Dude FAILS to understand (or maybe he is deliberately ignoring
» this), is that the actual “HST” procedure only came into being relatively
» recently.
»
» It is NOT the same procedure that Dr. Gho was doing 12 years ago.
»
» It is NOT the same procedure to which Gho lost intellectual property
» rights, which the bank ABN-AMRO (and its successors in interest, including
» Royal Bank of Scotland and Banco Santander) grabbed when ABN cut funding to
» Gho and took over the GHO-Clinic (which is now being run by other
» doctors).
»
» It would be impossible for HST to be the same as any of those procedures,
» since Gho owns a SEPARATE patent on it, and the patent is NOT for the
» 12-year-old procedure, but for a new procedure just developed in the past
» few years (and which Gho holds patent rights to).
»
» By the way, Gho’s patent rights mean nothing practically (they are only
» symbolic), because in most countries (EU and USA included), patent rights
» are not enforceable against doctors infringing on patented medical
» procedures.
»
» HOWEVER, Spanish Dude is completely wrong when he assumes that Gho’s
» 12-year-old procedure (which obviously wasn’t very good, or else his deal
» with ABN-AMRO wouldn’t have been cancelled, and someone else would be using
» that procedure with successful results right now) is the same as HST.
»
» Once again, Spanish Dude is guilty of hubris, clumsy and sloppy thinking,
» unscientific analysis, bias, and prejudice.
»
» ¡ABAJO CON EL FALANGISMO!
»
» ¡ABAJO CON EL FASCISMO!
»
» ¡ABAJO CON SPANISH DUDE!

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» HST started in 2005 after the bankrupcy.
» But before HST, Gho had “FM” since the early 2000s.
» And since 1998 or before, Gho became famous because he announced the
» imminent launch of a cell-based Hair Multiplication.
»
» Links? Do your research, moron.
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»
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» » When did HST start?
» »
» »
» » to my knowledge it was being tested over the last 4-5 years, this after
» » years of research prior to, and then was really just beginning to be
» » offered to the public in the last year or so
» »
» »
» »
» » some people are saying that Gho has been making these claims (and
» offering
» » these services) for the last 12 years?
» »
» »
» »
» » which is correct?
» »
» »
» » don’t make any statements or posts without links to your specific
» sources
» » (preferably not previous threads the original sources that back each
» » statement)

the links were so other forum readers could verify the information, moron.

Its kind of how making valid arguments works… premise (evidence) conslusion (your direct statement)… moron

please tho no more bickering. This thread should be able to be locked and closed after a few more posts with source backed claims. After that we can call the history of HST a case closed and move on to evaluate it presently (in a different thread)

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» eh, troll, I am very awared of everything about HST.
»

SD your above sentence is a direct statement (conclusion) now you need to source something (that proves you are very aware of everything about HST) and than we can say you have made a complete argument. from here we can evaluate the strength of your evidence and so forth… but first you have to make a complete argument SD… preferably not about your awareness of HST (that was an example) but rather your statements about the History of HST

please no more random bickering or posts with no back up. we don’t need another three page Gho retard fest thread

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» By the way, Gho’s patent rights mean nothing practically (they are only
» symbolic), because in most countries (EU and USA included), patent rights
» are not enforceable against doctors infringing on patented medical
» procedures.

Nope - not entirely correct. The only law, who might play a role in this case (Gho’s HST technique), is the 1996 US federal law, which prohibits patent infringement lawsuits against doctors who use medical procedures patented by others.

BUT, for instance, …

  1. medical device makers can be sued for inducing infringement of a method by a doctor;
  2. this (US) law applies usually just for life-threatening procedures or life-improving procedures, rather than for any cosmetically procedures.

Just these examples explain, why there is an increasing number of universities and companies who try to impose restrictions on the use of their intellectual property and in many (slow proceeding and costly) cases, even in the U.S., they (patent holders) win such lawsuits.

But completely apart from the law, do you really think that one or some of such poor medical doctors in the HT field, who are fully aware about Dr. Gho’s patent, have the balls simply to copy and hype with what Gho describes and claims? Or in simply words, with what they earlier bashed him?

On the other hand, why steal something, what can’t work …

Try to patent and claim, that you’re able to cut a heart into 2 halves, ready for transplantation of one of these heart halves into another patient or place of your body … :expressionless:
(Dr. Woods would say “what does such a doctor smoke?” )

Oh, by the way - what exactly told Gho Spencer Kobren in the video interview concerning “heart attack”?

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» » By the way, Gho’s patent rights mean nothing practically (they are only
» » symbolic), because in most countries (EU and USA included), patent
» rights
» » are not enforceable against doctors infringing on patented medical
» » procedures.
»
» Nope - not entirely correct. The only law, who might play a role in this
» case (Gho’s HST technique), is the 1996 US federal law, which prohibits
» patent infringement lawsuits against doctors who use medical procedures
» patented by others.

Yes. That’s the law I mean. Passed by US Congress in 1996, signed by Bill Clinton in 1997. I believe most countries of the EU have similar code statutes.

»
» BUT, for instance, …
»
» 1) medical device makers can be sued for inducing infringement of a method
» by a doctor;

Yes but so what, because medical device makers wouldn’t be performing the procedure themselves, only doctors would.

As for any implements that may be associated with Gho’s procedure, they would also have to be patented to be protected. And if they were patented, they could be protected legally because they are tools/devices, not the procedure itself.

HOWEVER, assuming Gho uses special, patented tools or devices for HST, that doesn’t mean that doctors couldn’t figure out how to do the HST procedure using other tools or devices.

» 2) this (US) law applies usually just for life-threatening
» procedures or life-improving procedures, rather than for any
» cosmetically procedures.

I don’t think so. The fact is that it’s often impossible to separate many medical procedures which treat life-threatening diseases, from those which treat not-so life-threatening ones. I don’t believe this element is in the US law, although this is an issue that’s talked about a lot. I don’t think the law mentions “cosmetic procedures” or makes an exception for them.

»
» Just these examples explain, why there is an increasing number of
» universities and companies who try to impose restrictions on the use of
» their intellectual property and in many (slow proceeding and costly) cases,
» even in the U.S., they (patent holders) win such lawsuits.
»
» But completely apart from the law, do you really think that one or some of
» such poor medical doctors in the HT field, who are fully aware about Dr.
» Gho’s patent, have the balls simply to copy and hype with what Gho
» describes and claims? Or in simply words, with what they earlier bashed
» him?

Yes, I definitely think they would do that.

Hey, if a famous doctor lied and denied that Willy told him first about ACell, and claimed to have “discovered” it for use in hair transplantation and “auto-cloning” himself, then I wouldn’t put anything past them. They are capable of anything!

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» » But completely apart from the law, do you really think that one or some
» of
» » such poor medical doctors in the HT field, who are fully aware about
» Dr.
» » Gho’s patent, have the balls simply to copy and hype with what Gho
» » describes and claims? Or in simply words, with what they earlier bashed
» » him?
»
» Yes, I definitely think they would do that.
»
» Hey, if a famous doctor lied and denied that Willy told him first about
» ACell, and claimed to have “discovered” it for use in hair transplantation
» They
» are capable of anything!

Correct. And I WILL blame these crooks everywhere.

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And what is the point in that? There is no. The only thing to really hit as*clowns hard is to establish others to do HST and force them to adapt it. Everything else is wasted time.

but who do you think guys will be the first surgeon to admit that HST works and offering it

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» And what is the point in that? There is no. The only thing to really hit
» as*clowns hard is to establish others to do HST and force them to adapt it.
» Everything else is wasted time.
»
» but who do you think guys will be the first surgeon to admit that HST works
» and offering it

None of em, 'cause it’s BS.

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Hey french man shouldnt you sell your fancy chemical stuff somewhere? Also if i wanted to hear the opinion of a stupid moron, i would have adressed you directly

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» Hey french man shouldnt you sell your fancy chemical stuff somewhere? Also
» if i wanted to hear the opinion of a stupid moron, i would have adressed
» you directly

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH HE’S MAD.
You and Iron-Man are a team now ?

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» » Hey french man shouldnt you sell your fancy chemical stuff somewhere?
» Also
» » if i wanted to hear the opinion of a stupid moron, i would have adressed
» » you directly
»
» OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH HE’S MAD.
» You and Iron-Man are a team now ?

We are a “Team” when it comes to truth and to fake stuff

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» but who do you think guys will be the first surgeon to admit that HST works
» and offering it

The academical science reported about this scenario already years ago - and had some interesting answers. One simple key they mentioned is the patient himself. With other words, you can’t hide a (new) working medical procedure for a long time on one hand, but you simply can try to deny it on the other hand - especially in THIS field. Gho has no problem neither with this, nor with that.

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The history of HST is not a decade old.

But the history of Dr. Gho claiming to have invented HM, in one form or another, without ever backing it up with WOW results, is more than a decade old.

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» The history of HST is not a decade old.
»
» But the history of Dr. Gho claiming to have invented HM, in one form or
» another, without ever backing it up with WOW results, is more than a decade
» old.

proof please, maybe an advertisement, article, anything where gho makes these claims over the past decade

thanks

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» » The history of HST is not a decade old.
» »
» » But the history of Dr. Gho claiming to have invented HM, in one form or
» » another, without ever backing it up with WOW results, is more than a
» decade
» » old.
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» proof please, maybe an advertisement, article, anything where gho makes
» these claims over the past decade
»
»
» thanks

Same here - proof please!
Thanks in advance!

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Thats plain wrong Gho said that his first FM got regrowth rates from 50 to 80% but the problem was those results werent consistent. Because at first he researched in the wrong direct for some years.

Just compare his results from early 2010 with the current results, they are getting better and better and they also are capable of transplanting a density of 70 Grafts per square inch according to one user, and i believe him.

And we all have to realise one thing all the current Gho patients right now are in fact also guinea pigs, sure they got their regrowth but witjh every patient they learn more on how to increase density, shorten time span etc. Their first list was filled till middle of 2012 and now its filled till early 2012.

Yes this could mean some people didnt want to do it, but it could also mean that they are getting more and more efficient. Btw is selling those licences a smart thing, because so he gets money for his HSI research, which people can do to get more density then natural.

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proof please, maybe an advertisement, article, anything where gho makes these claims over the past decade

I don’t have proof of this because I typically don’t have proof of anything I talk about. I’m not the kind of forum member that posts a lot of links, cites a lot of texts, and has that kind of stuff on hand all the time.

What I’m saying about Gho is common knowledge. He was claiming regrowth abilities that never materialized for a couple years. Then he started saying that his stuff could never originally do what he had claimed and his newer stuff could. The proof never really materialized for any of his stuff working.

Awareness of Gho’s actions a decade ago are fading because the average MPB sufferer does not stick around these kinds of forums that long. (Or at least not on a consistent basis.) But ask anyone that was around forums like this in the early 2000s - Dr. Gho was another failed HM buzzword who got everyone’s hopes up and then never delivered on his claims.

Is he doing the same thing now? I don’t know. Personally I believe the guy is trying to solve the HM riddle and I will agree that he has made some solid contributions to the battle. But IMHO he has always been more focused on the research stage of HM at the expense of the practical stage. He has never seemed very focused on restoring the heads of the real live patients who walk through his clinic’s door and pay him money for more hair. I believe he is capable of regrowing new hair but I remain unconvinced that his patients are getting very much of it.