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Some thoughts about to be or not be here


#1

sorry i write bullshit, but i havent slept long. :wink:

what i think is, its not rational to hope for hm. its not rational to dream about it and its not rational to get all these information and to read all this and to get in trouble coz of this.

well…but we know we arent really rational beings. we act irrational.

though its not healthy to be in here. its so stupid to fight in this forum. and i did more than one time :no: .

what i want to say is…why do all this (read information, write emails to intercytex,…) while it could be that it wont happen in the next 10 - 20 years. it could be that rassman is more than right. i say could , not must, but still it could not happen. and there is nothing we can do about it.

we need to accept that we are all insane. and everyone who doesnt agree is even more insane.

do you know one person in here in real? i bet no. but you know bald guys in real. are they in this forum? no. so you know what i want to say. other people who act normal just dont come in here.

so i vote for that we all leave this forum, accept our balding, do whatever we can do to stop it (fin, minox,…) , do something to make it better (ht) if you want and lets have a look in the media the next years.

just a suggestion, but i dont know if i can do this myself. well…anyway…

no insults please! but if you like post your thoughts. but only nice ones.


#2

Hi helpme007,

I visit this forum because it is something I do while procrastinating on working/writing during graduate school. As long as it’s nothing more than that – a hobby or sorts and not the locus of my life – then I feel okay visiting this forum and talking with my maneless brethren. But there IS no doubt in my mind whatsoever that we are all a bit insane – even (or especially?) those who pretend to act “normal” (e.g., ReadBodhi) or that they don’t need HM (e.g., Hanginthere).

However, I’d like to add that it IS rational to visit this forum and stay informed on the latest developments in HM, especially if you’re one of the younger guys on this forum (like me). It’s VERY important to keep things in perspective and understand that being bald for 10 years and then getting HM really isn’t all that bad in the grand scheme of things. And it’s far more rational to keep this sense of perspective – that a cure IS coming, and that hair loss is a temporary but often painful phase you are going through, and that you should work on developing your life from the inside out – then to wish desperately and naively for a panacea in the short-term, be it from a hairpece, HT, drugs, or any other various nostrums.

I will also add that having a balding girlfriend (who is cute except for the balding) really helps for dealing with baldness, too :stuck_out_tongue:

Best,
BB


#3

Listen its understandable i made a post like this some time ago…is good to be informed so that you dont hurry into primitive technologies(strip) and fake looking hairlines…but you should not put your life on hold for HM, get out and live, build a nice body and buzz your hair short, as time goes by we accept it. 3 years ago i could not live with the buzzed balding look i was crazy i did not even want to go out… now i am fine with it and very happy…if HM comes i ll be ecstatic :slight_smile:


#4

you say I pretend to act normal

that implies you are one of the “normal” ones

I started thinning badly at your age also, and I sure as hell didnt have to pick girls to date that were balding

thats not anything close to normal


#5

» you say I pretend to act normal

Nope. I said you act like you don’t need HM.

» that implies you are one of the “normal” ones

Nope. I said we’re all a little bit insane – and last time I checked “we” included “me”.

» I started thinning badly at your age also, and I sure as hell didnt have
» to pick girls to date that were balding

Nope. We started dating until and it was only later on that I found out she was losing her hair.

» thats not anything close to normal

Nope. Many, many women experience hair loss. It’s just a different pattern and progression; as well women are more comfortable using wigs.


#6

» » you say I pretend to act normal
»
» Nope. I said you act like you don’t need HM.
»
» » that implies you are one of the “normal” ones
»
» Nope. I said we’re all a little bit insane – and last time I checked “we”
» included “me”.
»
» » I started thinning badly at your age also, and I sure as hell didnt
» have
» » to pick girls to date that were balding
»
» Nope. We started dating until and it was only later on that I found out
» she was losing her hair.
»
» » thats not anything close to normal
»
» Nope. Many, many women experience hair loss. It’s just a different pattern
» and progression; as well women are more comfortable using wigs.

Why you even bother answering to this guy?


#7

if HM works anyone of us could use it, if it were affordable


#8

Honestly?..No there really is no valid reason to be here. When, and or if, a hair multiplication procedure becomes available and mainstream, it will be just that, mainstream. We won’t have to look very far to find someone offering it.

As JTR pointed out, we are hair hobbyists, all of us. I have been reading this forum for almost a decade and the posts never really change. Different names, different companies, but the same speculation,timeline,scensorship and most importantly results, or lack therof.

The forum moderator is careful to modify or delete posts to best serve his interest, not the interest of the membership. It’s really quite biased and misleading. But if you haven’t been around very long you would never understand the vanity of it all.


#9

Awesome post! You hit the nail on the head. I, too, have been coming here for the better part of a decade and almost want to cry sometimes when I think about it. When I first started coming to Hairsite, I was excited and honestly believed that our problems would be solved “in five years”, but here we are…


#10

» Awesome post! You hit the nail on the head. I, too, have been coming here
» for the better part of a decade and almost want to cry sometimes when I
» think about it. When I first started coming to Hairsite, I was excited and
» honestly believed that our problems would be solved “in five years”, but
» here we are…

I’m with scarred. I’ve been coming here for years too. Back when Farrel ruled this roost and we would step lively with posts that detailed synthetic hair replacement, celebrity toupees and the doctors that never bothered to post a single result here until their minions advised them that the obsessed baldies have utilized the internet and would pay mega bucks for just a few strands of hair that they could comb across their balding pates. The HM thread has been around for a solid couple years now and I think the thing that get’s the old-timers blood going are the noobs that repeat any second, third and fifth generation rumors as gospel truth. It’s no wonder that people get tired of listening and want to amp up a few of the more militant obsessed baldies. And not only that, but to save a few from ending up with handles such as scarred1, scarred2, scarred3, etc…The internet has given every low-brow mope a voice. And with that voice he chooses to bitch about movies, download pornography and obviously latch onto the HM bandwagon. Boston. I don’t “act” normal. I am normal. Normal with a low tolerance for bullshit and repetitive posts from the HM sages that have predicted that we’d all be sporting fabulous hairlines at this very moment. Ease up. It’s the internet. And while people are generally moronic and sheep-like in real life. Remember, this is merely an extension of that facet of ‘Real Life.’ We aren’t all going to like each other. We aren’t all going to agree. So what? Calls for banning just point out the obvious weak characters that permeate this board. IF you don’t like what Hanging says. IGNORE HIM! If you don’t like what I say. IGNORE ME! It’s very simple. Stick to the posts of your allies. And then you can whack off together as you wait in vain for a procedure that’s in it’s very infancy or you can NOT learn a lesson about these validated doctors who will butcher, continue to butcher and then post ONE fairly decent result with their fue or their strips. I’ve seen exactly 7 hair transplants that defy the norm. That’s not great odds. And I love how someone get’s a sub-par HT from the Kings of the Board and everyone Oooo’s and aaah’s over the mediocre results. But hey, that’s me. And I just pretend to be normal. While guys like Boston will hang around Hairsite, HairlossHelp and Yes, Boston, the TOPLACE Forum. Boston, as positive as he is, hedges his bets and will inevitably end up with a cheap hair system. But of course, put the most positive spin on it. How well it looks, how undetecable it is. How nothing in his life has changed. Except for the better. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Good luck with that HairyKrishna!


#11

What the hell is wrong with everybody when it comes to HM? Why does all the brains suddenly go out the window when the subject comes up? Seems like everybody’s viewpoint on HM has to be either “2-3 years from now” or “unlikely to be any time inside of a decade, if ever.”

We all know that safety/efficacy trials will often take a decade. And ICX hadn’t even started in 2002, right? But for some reason there are posts all over the net from 2001-2003 about how HM would be real by 2004-2005. WTF? It made no sense, but people just seemed to want to throw the safety-trials timeframe out the window because they didn’t like waiting. It’s their dumbass mistake that they got their hopes dashed for being so unrealistic.

Same with all the more recent years: In 2005-2007, ICX’s stuff was talked about as if it was really gonna be on the market by 2008-2009. WHY?!? They weren’t even out of phase#I trials when these rumors were starting! Just another round of the “2-3 years from now” assumption. No basis in reality.

Now the 2008 deadline has been mostly shot down, and we’re hearing two things all over again: “within 2-3 years” (2009-2010), or “not in the forseeable future.”

Get a grip, people. Safety & efficacy trials take a decade. And for HM it could take longer. ICX is well into the trials but they’re not done yet. Hiar multiplication probably IS happening for real, but that doesn’t mean it makes sense to start ignoring all the realistic timelines and just keep assuming a rolling release-date of 2-3 years away from the present.

HM is for real, but it’ll take until about 2010-2015 to go commercial. That’s the only assumption that actually sounded realistic back in 2002, and that’s still sounding more realistic than anything else now in late 2007.


#12

and thas all that this board is filled with - “Assumptions” “educated guesses” and rants. the only thing worth reading is when someone actually posts something from ICX themselves so you can draw your own conclusion. everything else is based on opinion which is useless being as nobody here works for ICX or has inside information.

it’s always funny when somebody tries to put things in perspective like “whats wrong with everybody? this is what the deal is on HM guys…” because they always come off sounding even more clueless.


#13

» and thas all that this board is filled with - “Assumptions” “educated
» guesses” and rants. the only thing worth reading is when someone actually
» posts something from ICX themselves so you can draw your own conclusion.
» everything else is based on opinion which is useless being as nobody here
» works for ICX or has inside information.
»
» it’s always funny when somebody tries to put things in perspective like
» “whats wrong with everybody? this is what the deal is on HM guys…”
» because they always come off sounding even more clueless.

How many of you lot above are paid directly or indirectly by the hair transplant industry.

2008 is the year Intercytex as stated as possible small scale commercialisation

We are investigating whether there are opportunities to initiate the small scale
commercialisation of ICX-TRC in 2008. This will depend on the outcome of the
ongoing Phase II trial and further regulatory review.

See link - pdf form

http://www.intercytex.com/icx/news/releases/2007/2007-03-23/2007-03-23.pdf

2010 is the year Intercytex are stating for estimate release date

When will ICX-TRC be on the market?
ICX-TRC is classified as a medicine by the regulatory authorities and hence has to undergo a series of clinical trials before it can be offered on the market. We currently estimate that the earliest that ICX-TRC would be available on the market is 2010 although we don’t know in which country it will be launched first.

See link

http://www.intercytex.com/icx/products/aesthetic/icxtrc/faqsicxtrc/

2010 is the year the Farjo Clinic are stating,or not before

A commercial product is not expected to be available before 2010.

See link

http://www.farjo.net/page.asp?id=203

Assumptions" “educated guesses” and rants. THATS RIGHT! NONE OF THE DATES MENTIONED ARE Assumptions" “educated guesses” and rants. SO COME ON HOW MANY ARE PAID HT RATS!


#14

all this speculation is more about hope than about rational guesses. i think too 2010-2015 is realistic if everything goes right. they are still in tests and this 2008 small scale comcercialisation will maybe be really small if it even happens.

its sad that some people cant wait for hm and i mean sad in a way that its really sad. its no offense to these guys. its just sad. once i thought like this too, sad.

HM is something for future. if we are lucky its something for medium-term. if we are unlucky it is something for long - term. but its definatley - how i think - nothing for near future.

im no psychologist, so i dont know if this hope is a good thing for some people. i think not. if you hope for getting your hair back, you avoid accepting and living with it. nothing against treatments and ht’s. they are a good thing if used right. that is what we should concentrate on. treatments, ht, shaving it (and doing nothing). we cant work with things which arent here. and we dont know if and when future treatments will come out. as bad as it is.


#15

» all this speculation is more about hope than about rational guesses. i
» think too 2010-2015 is realistic if everything goes right. they are still
» in tests and this 2008 small scale comcercialisation will maybe be really
» small if it even happens.

Its not specalation out of now where - Intercytex and the Farjo Clinic keep stating an estimation date of 2010 - small scale commercialisation 2008.

» its sad that some people cant wait for hm and i mean sad in a way that its
» really sad. its no offense to these guys. its just sad. once i thought like
» this too, sad.

helpme007 your just as sad.How many times have you started similar theads!


#16

» » all this speculation is more about hope than about rational guesses. i
» » think too 2010-2015 is realistic if everything goes right. they are
» still
» » in tests and this 2008 small scale comcercialisation will maybe be
» really
» » small if it even happens.
»
» Its not specalation out of now where - Intercytex and the Farjo Clinic
» keep stating an estimation date of 2010 - small scale commercialisation
» 2008.
»
»
» » its sad that some people cant wait for hm and i mean sad in a way that
» its
» » really sad. its no offense to these guys. its just sad. once i thought
» like
» » this too, sad.
»
»
» helpme007 your just as sad.How many times have you started similar theads!

do you think just coz they state it , it will happen?

and just let me start stupid threads.


#17

» do you think just coz they state it , it will happen?

I’ve spoke to the Farjo Clinic about ICX-TRC in the past,they gave me the impression they know what they are doing - I think they should have some idea,more than the likes of me and you.

» and just let me start stupid threads.

Need I say anymore!


#18

» » do you think just coz they state it , it will happen?
»
» I’ve spoke to the Farjo Clinic about ICX-TRC in the past,they gave me the
» impression they know what they are doing - I think they should have some
» idea,more than the likes of me and you.
»
» » and just let me start stupid threads.
»
» Need I say anymore!

you base your thoughts on an “impression” ?


#19

» you base your thoughts on an “impression” ?

No I base it on how much they went into detail about ICX-TRC.It was Lesley I spoke to at the Farjo Clinic.She seemed to now what she was talking about.

I hope ICX-TRC does happen,if it doesn’t I’ll just keep shaving my hair down with my balding clippers (Big pain-every 2 days).


#20

» » you base your thoughts on an “impression” ?
»
» No I base it on how much they went into detail about ICX-TRC.It was Lesley
» I spoke to at the Farjo Clinic.She seemed to now what she was talking
» about.
»
» I hope ICX-TRC does happen,if it doesn’t I’ll just keep shaving my hair
» down with my balding clippers (Big pain-every 2 days).

if you have pain while shaving, then you do it wrong :wink:

but back to the topic…its still words from some persons. they cant be sure that it will work. and if she goes in detail, what does that mean? well, i think it looks good that we have hm in 2010 or 2011, but never be sure!