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#1

All,

Pictures and video are virtually worthless w/o extensive exposure to HT-hair on the street. You must see many results in-person on a windblown high noon to know anything at all about the reality of HT.

People chatter endlessly about surgeons and techniques. About “great results.” Let me tell you something. Some other guy’s results have jacksh*t to do with what’s gonna wind up on your head. Your HT-hair will largely be determined by your hair characteristics. And they better be f’ing great.

Nothing has changed. HT-hair is mostly garbage hair at high noon. These boards are full of the most laughable, rationalized, self-deluded bullsh*t imaginable.

Do yourself a favor and start seeing many HT-heads in daylight. Make damn sure to find guys with similar NW level and hair characteristics. And get off the net. The hairnet is nothing but salesmen, shills, dopey youngsters and preening geezers.

Nothing has changed. The HT math is still bitter and the HT-hair is still ugly. Very few guys have the characteristics, time and money required to get “great” – that is – passable results.

Nothing has changed.

TheFittest


#2

» All,
»
» Pictures and video are virtually worthless w/o extensive exposure to
» HT-hair on the street. You must see many results in-person on a
» windblown high noon to know anything at all about the reality of HT.
»
» People chatter endlessly about surgeons and techniques. About “great
» results.” Let me tell you something. Some other guy’s results have
» jacksht to do with what’s gonna wind up on your head. Your HT-hair will
» largely be determined by your hair characteristics. And they better be
» f’ing great.
»
» Nothing has changed. HT-hair is mostly garbage hair at high noon. These
» boards are full of the most laughable, rationalized, self-deluded bullsh
t
» imaginable.
»
» Do yourself a favor and start seeing many HT-heads in daylight. Make
» damn sure to find guys with similar NW level and hair characteristics. And
» get off the net. The hairnet is nothing but salesmen, shills, dopey
» youngsters and preening geezers.
»
» Nothing has changed. The HT math is still bitter and the HT-hair is still
» ugly. Very few guys have the characteristics, time and money required to
» get “great” – that is – passable results.
»
» Nothing has changed.
»
» TheFittest

Thank you for your post,unfortunately you are wasting your time on a forum that is controlled by paid posters & their employees.What’s even more unfortunate is that bald men will never realise that what you are saying is true.It wont be until they waste big bucks to be butchered or to look ridiculous that they will believe you,by that time it will be too late.


#3

I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people do have unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.


#4

» I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people do have
» unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.

I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense tells me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP can take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.

Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was worth it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did before - they’re bald.

God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil. Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade after I first started losing my hair.


#5

» » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people do
» have
» » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
»
» I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense tells
» me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP can
» take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
»
» Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was worth
» it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did before
» - they’re bald.
»
» God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade after
» I first started losing my hair.

I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not “help you get on with life” or other such delusions most of these posters believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.


#6

» » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people do
» » have
» » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» »
» » I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense
» tells
» » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP
» can
» » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» »
» » Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» worth
» » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» before
» » - they’re bald.
» »
» » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» after
» » I first started losing my hair.
»
» I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» “help you get on with life” or other such delusions most of these posters
» believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic
» when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.

Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong. I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in reality they are nothing like their pics?


#7

»
» Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong.
» I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in
» reality they are nothing like their pics?

I will say that I am very happy with how my Hair transplant looks in person. My hairline looks very natural. When I first started researching I was determined that if I was going to get a transplant, I was not going to have to worry all day long if people could tell I had it done. I chose Armani because I liked his hairlines and having a natural looking hairline is the biggest thing when trying to pull of a natural result.

In the 1.5 years since I had my first procedure, nobody has ever questioned the work I had done. Further, I have received numerous comments from the people who I told I had work done.


#8

I don’t think every patient has to end up with a head of hair equivalent to an 18 year olds in order to have a successful procedure or to be happy. It’s all relative.

A norwood 2 might look at a norwood 6 patient who gets transplanted to a norwood 3 level and go, “What’s the point? He’s still bald!”. But that is purely relative to his own situation and not the patient who was a norwood 6. I guarantee you that the norwood 6 patient who knocks several years off of his looks is going to be pretty happy, assuming he had the right expectations to begin with.

In the end, it’s about improving our appearance to make ourselves feel better; your self-esteem is priceless. I guarantee you that I did not go through with my procedure because of what others thought of me, it was for me and me only.


#9

» » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people do
» » have
» » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» »
» » I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense
» tells
» » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad GP
» can
» » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» »
» » Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» worth
» » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» before
» » - they’re bald.
» »
» » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» after
» » I first started losing my hair.
»
» I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» “help you get on with life” or other such delusions most of these posters
» believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look fantastic
» when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.

jorge is a twat


#10

It’s all about expectations. Go out and see ht’s in person!


#11

» » » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people
» do
» » » have
» » » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» » »
» » » I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense
» » tells
» » » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » » “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad
» GP
» » can
» » » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» » »
» » » Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» » worth
» » » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» » before
» » » - they’re bald.
» » »
» » » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» » after
» » » I first started losing my hair.
» »
» » I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» » “help you get on with life” or other such delusions most of these
» posters
» » believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look
» fantastic
» » when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
»
» jorge is a twat

Hanging, you better pray you never make it back on U.S. soil. The authorities will be eagerly awaiting to arrest you on numerous child molestation and pornography charges. It may be ok for you to have sex with 12 year old children (yes Hanging, they are children) in the PI, but that doesn’t fly here. Hair transplantation is the LEAST of your concerns pal.


#12

lets see lets go by your logic, which country has the most convicted sex offenders? I guarantee you the USA has 100 times more per sq mile than the philippines does. So that means since you are in the USA, you must be a pedophile…is that why you spent half your life behind bars…you miss those meals through the door dont you…


#13

Your post clearly inflames many here. I thought that I’d throw in my 2 cents…

This forum is like a big ad, showing the best of the best. It is NOT indicative of the results that most people could possibly achieve. I’d guess that 80% of HT patients are eventually disappointed with their outcome, and the other 20% die before they see it! I had many transplants in my mid 20’s, and the transplants have lost probably 50% of their volume (I’m 42). A lot of your fringe hair is permananent… but it may thin to 30% of its previous thickness!!! So, 5000 hairs transplanted early on… may be just 1500 actual permanent hairs.

These “success” stories that you read will be the future repair stories… trust me. I challenge any doc (or paid representative) posting here to state for the record that the number of hairs that are touted as “permanent” from the fringe area will not thin appreciably with age! Anyone want to step up to bat and be exposed for making false claims? I suspect we will be able to hear crickets chirping…


#14

» Your post clearly inflames many here. I thought that I’d throw in my 2
» cents…
»
» This forum is like a big ad, showing the best of the best. It is NOT
» indicative of the results that most people could possibly achieve. I’d
» guess that 80% of HT patients are eventually disappointed with their
» outcome, and the other 20% die before they see it! I had many transplants
» in my mid 20’s, and the transplants have lost probably 50% of their volume
» (I’m 42). A lot of your fringe hair is permananent… but it may thin to
» 30% of its previous thickness!!! So, 5000 hairs transplanted early on…
» may be just 1500 actual permanent hairs.
»
» These “success” stories that you read will be the future repair stories…
» trust me. I challenge any doc (or paid representative) posting here to
» state for the record that the number of hairs that are touted as
» “permanent” from the fringe area will not thin appreciably with age!
» Anyone want to step up to bat and be exposed for making false claims? I
» suspect we will be able to hear crickets chirping…

Now that is interesting… you NEVER hear about transplanted hairs losing volume (over time).
That tidbit is certainly news to me.

.


#15

Not only does the density of the hair (i.e. quantity) thin, the calibre of the hairs diminishes… A minigraft where 4 robust healthy hairs were moved and grew for years, now has just 2 fine calibre hairs remaining.

When the hairs were transplanted, they were healthy and could be grown to any length. Now, 15 years later, they are much finer and weak (just like their peers from the donor site), and can’t be grown more than a few inches because they snarl and break easily.

The “immune” hairs from the fringe are not actually immune to the effects of aging. I’m still waiting for a doctor or a company rep to discuss the reality of this…

» Now that is interesting… you NEVER hear about transplanted hairs losing
» volume (over time).
» That tidbit is certainly news to me.


#16

Most men will thin in the donor to some extent due to senile alopecia as we age. To what extent? Hard to tell.


#17

» » » » I guess your 6000 plus fue turned out like sh…t huh? Yes people
» do
» » » have
» » » » unrealistic expectations on what a ht can do.
» » »
» » » I would never get a HT. I can’t speak to results, but common sense
» » tells
» » » me to stay away from HT doctors. There is zero regulation of that
» » » “speciality” (if it can be called that); any Mexican med school grad
» GP
» » can
» » » take a weekend course and start transplanting on Monday.
» » »
» » » Further, I don’t understand these guys who get a HT just to look like
» » » their balding. They go from a NW7 to a NW 4 and think that it was
» » worth
» » » it. The public perceives them the same way after the HT as they did
» » before
» » » - they’re bald.
» » »
» » » God bless the scientists who discovered finasteride and minoxodil.
» » » Because of those two drugs, I still have a full head of hair a decade
» » after
» » » I first started losing my hair.
» »
» » I fully agree. Make no mistake, HT doctors are here to make money not
» » “help you get on with life” or other such delusions most of these
» posters
» » believe. These clinics tell these newly created NW4s they look
» fantastic
» » when in reality the guy looks like utter $hit and is out 20k.
»
» Many of the pics do look fantastic especially those from Hasson and Wong.
» I have never met a ht patient in person before. Are you saying that in
» reality they are nothing like their pics?

I agree, most pictures look very good, even the ones that are not so good (according to some posters) are above my expectations, I have met one patient from NHI and the work is every bit as good too, all it comes down to is to wait and see whether Acell and Follica have anything to offer before deciding if hair transplant is the way to go. I don’t want to get a hair transplant now and two months later Dr. Jones says Acell is regrowing hair in the donor.


#18

HTs often thin with age. It’s no secret.

People tend to hammer on the point that “transplanted hairs last forever” because one of the major noob questions about HTs is whether the transplanted hairs will immediately begin thinning to match the balding area they’re put into. By THIS yardstick, the assertion is understandable.

You can find the issue being being discussed on the net plenty if you actually look for it at all. The term is “donor thinning.”

Donor hair thinning = transplanted donor hair thinning right along with it.

(But you won’t hear any of this around FUE clinics that try to max-out the patient’s donor area to the point of looking moth-eaten when he’s 24 years old. Just a lot of "Start taking Propecia and you’ll never lose any more hair.)


#19

»»
»
» (But you won’t hear any of this around FUE clinics that try to max-out the
» patient’s donor area to the point of looking moth-eaten when he’s 24 years
» old. Just a lot of "Start taking Propecia and you’ll never lose any more
» hair.)

Finasteride is definitely a must for someone contemplating a HT. Hippocratic wreaths certainly thin with age. Finasteride+RU58841 would be even better to be honest to help someone keep what they have.

Genetic baldness has been associated with a variant of the androgen receptor gene. 98.6% of all balding men have this variant of the androgen-receptor gene vs. 76% of men without baldness. Whether the gene encodes for overactive receptors, chemically stable receptors, just too many receptors on androgen target organs, or makes receptors on the skull a tidbit more active they dont know…but if you have that gene (inherited from your mother), your hair will have a strong tendency to bald. Your wreath will thin also in old age, just like older men’s wreaths do. Taking finasteride is a must.

Ive read an experiment where a pharmacuetical grade topical alpha five reductase inhibitor called 4MA was applied to some kind of ape’s scalp along with finasteride, MK386 (type one inhibitor), and RU58841. RU58841 was clearly the best treatment, but finasteride was the second best treatment…the topical alpha five reductase type two inhibitor only inhibited further baldness, it did not regrow “some” hair like finasteride did. The conclusion is clear----serum DHT must play a small role in the progression of AGA once it starts. For best results, alpha five inhibition AND androgen receptor antagonism is needed----even in the wreath area.

I can concur with the Fittest on see-through HT’s. I saw another one just the other day. The guy looked like he had diffuse thinning all over his head. If one wants an HT, they’d better have nice donor hair, be ON FINASTERIDE at least, and get a conservative HT. A NW 3 or NW 2.5 is a much better thing to shoot for than a NW 1.5 with low placement that could give you a mess in 20 years.

The very best thing a young person could do (my opinion) is to try a buzz for a few months and see if they can adjust themselves to the look. They might like it and would hence be able to forget about hair. If some “cure” like Follica, ACELL, Aderans, or Intercytex (or Histogen) came along in the future, they’d still be able to get it at that time. Getting a HT in the front means that you can’t ever “forget” about your situation up there, and you have to admit to yourself that you have indeed “addicted” yourself to a drug (finasteride) even though it can be obtained cheaply as proscar online. Its still a daily ritual—biting that pill. I wish I didn’t have to.


#20

I don’t fear the money of Propecia. I fear the eventual discoveries that this crap is unsafe (or at least a lot worse that we thought) in the long term. I honestly believe those studies are coming sooner or later. Right now I think most of the MPB world isn’t sure. And I think at some level we don’t really want to know too much yet while there’s no better option.

Just wait for HM to remove the knife at every balding guy’s throat, and watch – the MPB industry will see an unexpected mass-exodus from Fin once it becomes clear that some kind of affordable HM works well.

I’m assuming HM will still require some kind of DHT protection to preserve the hairs if it works, but I still think we’re in for a massive reduction of Fin usage if/when it comes. I think it will be way above the number of people that anyone expects. Just a lot of that “1-2%” with side effects.