wow looks better than I expected
» But is someone from Intercytex reading this hairsite.com forum?? What are
» the odds that the PDF file showing the first HM procedures was deleted so
» soon after it was posted on this forum??
The odds that someone from ICX is not closely monitoring this forum are slim to none.
Hmmm… but why would they delete the file and then change it with a different name (i think from “cell” to “cell02”). i mean, it’s possible somebody from Intercytex checks out this forum, but i’m not sure if they changed the pdf name due to this forum, but i coudl be wrong…
All the best,
BB
» » But is someone from Intercytex reading this hairsite.com forum?? What
» are
» » the odds that the PDF file showing the first HM procedures was deleted
» so
» » soon after it was posted on this forum??
»
» The odds that someone from ICX is not closely monitoring this forum are
» slim to none.
» Hmmm… but why would they delete the file and then change it with a
» different name (i think from “cell” to “cell02”). i mean, it’s possible
» somebody from Intercytex checks out this forum, but i’m not sure if they
» changed the pdf name due to this forum, but i coudl be wrong…
»
» All the best,
» BB
»
» » » But is someone from Intercytex reading this hairsite.com forum?? What
» » are
» » » the odds that the PDF file showing the first HM procedures was
» deleted
» » so
» » » soon after it was posted on this forum??
» »
» » The odds that someone from ICX is not closely monitoring this forum are
» » slim to none.
Now we wait for TheGame’s response…
Ok guys, I have send David (Hairsite admin) the HM Photos so he could upload them and analyze the data in case nobody else made the request before.
From a first view, direction is not an issue. The “new” hairs are getting out pointing the same direction they used to (figured by the before photo).
Another interesting thing to mention is that at the before photo some of the thicker hairs have become 2 and 3hair (per follicle) at the after photo, a fact that implies the rejuvenation theory.
70 - 80 percent though seems to be Neogenesis.
Another good thing is that follicular Neogenesis take place at the original follicular distance. This means that the follicular density could most likely be restored. We have to see what will happen with the hair quality and hair number per follicular unit though.
Everything seems to be ok! 
» Ok guys, I have send David (Hairsite admin) the HM Photos so he could
» upload them and analyze the data in case nobody else made the request
» before.
»
» From a first view, direction is not an issue. The “new” hairs are getting
» out pointing the same direction they used to (figured by the before
» photo).
»
» Another interesting thing to mention is that at the before photo some of
» the thicker hairs have become 2 and 3hair (per follicle) at the after
» photo, a fact that implies the rejuvenation theory.
»
» 70 - 80 percent though seems to be Neogenesis.
A question to ask is: Why is ICX releasing these photos now? They had these photos since the end of Phase I but have chosen to release them now. Why?
» These awesome pic’s give us a glimpse of the future for cell therapy!!!
» » Ok guys, I have send David (Hairsite admin) the HM Photos so he could
» » upload them and analyze the data in case nobody else made the request
» » before.
» »
» » From a first view, direction is not an issue. The “new” hairs are
» getting
» » out pointing the same direction they used to (figured by the before
» » photo).
» »
» » Another interesting thing to mention is that at the before photo some
» of
» » the thicker hairs have become 2 and 3hair (per follicle) at the after
» » photo, a fact that implies the rejuvenation theory.
» »
» » 70 - 80 percent though seems to be Neogenesis.
»
» A question to ask is: Why is ICX releasing these photos now? They had
» these photos since the end of Phase I but have chosen to release them now.
» Why?
My guess is, they kept it away from competitor and now, I’m sure they have some results of phase II and everything should be under control. Then, they can show the pictures without worrying about their advancement toward the comptetitor because they have a winner product. That’s only my guess…
Imor asked me to upload these photos to the forum:
BEFORE
AFTER
»
» 70 - 80 percent though seems to be Neogenesis.
»
I’m not so sure. It looks like rejuvenation to me. Notice the darker dots (pores?) in the before photo.
Anyway, Does anybody have some similar HT photo of someone’s 1cm area where normal healthy hair were implanted? It could be interesting to compare it so we can get an idea of the thickness of the shafts we see.
PS: Very interesting indeed. I’m sure this is one of the better responding guys. But still, very encouraging. Does not look like minoxidil vellus hair to me and the direction seems not to be a big problem.
Does anybody know the protocol used for preparing the area shown? What I mean is, do they shave it, then wait a few days, then take the picture? None of the hairs shown in either picture are very long, so I’m just wondering what they did before taking the pictures. I assume it is the same procedure for both pictures. I hope they have some phase II pictures with a few weeks of growth.
» Does anybody know the protocol used for preparing the area shown? What I
» mean is, do they shave it, then wait a few days, then take the picture?
» None of the hairs shown in either picture are very long, so I’m just
» wondering what they did before taking the pictures. I assume it is the
» same procedure for both pictures. I hope they have some phase II pictures
» with a few weeks of growth.
The following is protocol for trial 2,trial 1 was probally similar except for additional 900 injections
» I’m not sure if this is repeating information but there is a PDF on the
» Vavelta website from Kemps presentation at the FACE conference. I’ve not
» seen it before and I don’t recall seeing it posted. Lot’s of good stuff
» here, inlcuding a few tidbits about TRC (he confirms it is both
» rejuvenation AND Neo-Genesis), pictures of The Robot and so on.
»
» http://www.vavelta.com/vavelta/mp/story/vaveltaface/cell.pdf
»
» EDIT: On page 19, if I’m not mistaken are some photos. They are very
» close up. The two dark marks I think are the markers used on the Phase 1
» volunteers as has been mentioned before.
»
» So the next time some naysayer complains about photos please direct them
» to this.
There doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement
There seems to be some, but very minimal.
It seems like only the length of the hair grew in the after picture compared to the shaved hair in the before picture.
If you look at the before pictures, you can see the dark specks and spots on the scalp which is probably the hair under the scalp that had been shaved short,
if you imagine those grown out of the scalp, they look pretty much like the after pictures,
because the after pictures don’t have as many of those black specks and spots of hair under the scalp (most of the hair in the after picture are those that are not shaved and have grown out of the scalp)
Am I the only one that sees it this way??
Like someone had mentioned before, the pictures should both have been taken after the same amount of time since the hair had been shaved so there wouldn’t be any delusional effects due to the different hair length.
I hope the before picture is one with injections showing,otherwise you might have a good point.If you look at before picture,it looks quite red in places.Is this because of the tattoo dots or perhaps injections
]
How would you shave in between hairs,anyway.
The photos you see are from trial 1,more or likely,which was for safety issues only
Phase I clinical trials (safety) have been completed in seven volunteers at a single UK transplant centre. No safety issues have arisen and five out of the seven patients have shown increased hair numbers.
» » I’m not sure if this is repeating information but there is a PDF on the
» » Vavelta website from Kemps presentation at the FACE conference. I’ve
» not
» » seen it before and I don’t recall seeing it posted. Lot’s of good stuff
» » here, inlcuding a few tidbits about TRC (he confirms it is both
» » rejuvenation AND Neo-Genesis), pictures of The Robot and so on.
» »
» » http://www.vavelta.com/vavelta/mp/story/vaveltaface/cell.pdf
» »
» » EDIT: On page 19, if I’m not mistaken are some photos. They are very
» » close up. The two dark marks I think are the markers used on the Phase
» 1
» » volunteers as has been mentioned before.
» »
» » So the next time some naysayer complains about photos please direct
» them
» » to this.
»
»
»
» There doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement
» There seems to be some, but very minimal.
» It seems like only the length of the hair grew in the after picture
» compared to the shaved hair in the before picture.
» If you look at the before pictures, you can see the dark specks and spots
» on the scalp which is probably the hair under the scalp that had been
» shaved short,
» if you imagine those grown out of the scalp, they look pretty much like
» the after pictures,
» because the after pictures don’t have as many of those black specks and
» spots of hair under the scalp (most of the hair in the after picture are
» those that are not shaved and have grown out of the scalp)
» Am I the only one that sees it this way??
»
» Like someone had mentioned before, the pictures should both have been
» taken after the same amount of time since the hair had been shaved so
» there wouldn’t be any delusional effects due to the different hair length.
»
»
» I hope the before picture is one with injections showing,otherwise you
» might have a good point.If you look at before picture,it looks quite red
» in places.Is this because of the tattoo dots or perhaps injections
»
» ]
»
» How would you shave in between hairs,anyway.
»
» The photos you see are from trial 1,more or likely,which was for safety
» issues only
»
» Phase I clinical trials (safety) have been completed in seven volunteers
» at a single UK transplant centre. No safety issues have arisen and five
» out of the seven patients have shown increased hair numbers.
»
» » » I’m not sure if this is repeating information but there is a PDF on
» the
» » » Vavelta website from Kemps presentation at the FACE conference. I’ve
» » not
» » » seen it before and I don’t recall seeing it posted. Lot’s of good
» stuff
» » » here, inlcuding a few tidbits about TRC (he confirms it is both
» » » rejuvenation AND Neo-Genesis), pictures of The Robot and so on.
» » »
» » » http://www.vavelta.com/vavelta/mp/story/vaveltaface/cell.pdf
» » »
» » » EDIT: On page 19, if I’m not mistaken are some photos. They are very
» » » close up. The two dark marks I think are the markers used on the
» Phase
» » 1
» » » volunteers as has been mentioned before.
» » »
» » » So the next time some naysayer complains about photos please direct
» » them
» » » to this.
» »
» »
» »
» » There doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement
» » There seems to be some, but very minimal.
» » It seems like only the length of the hair grew in the after picture
» » compared to the shaved hair in the before picture.
» » If you look at the before pictures, you can see the dark specks and
» spots
» » on the scalp which is probably the hair under the scalp that had been
» » shaved short,
» » if you imagine those grown out of the scalp, they look pretty much like
» » the after pictures,
» » because the after pictures don’t have as many of those black specks and
» » spots of hair under the scalp (most of the hair in the after picture
» are
» » those that are not shaved and have grown out of the scalp)
» » Am I the only one that sees it this way??
» »
» » Like someone had mentioned before, the pictures should both have been
» » taken after the same amount of time since the hair had been shaved so
» » there wouldn’t be any delusional effects due to the different hair
» length.
That’s what I hope for too, that I would be wrong.
I don’t think they shaved in between the hairs,
but for example, the before picture could have been taken 1 week after the hair was shaved, and the after could have been taken 2 weeks after the hair was shaved
One of my friend who doesn’t have any hairloss problem, but always keeps his hair shaved, and once in awhile when I look at his head,
this is the pattern that his hair grows back,
even if they were all shaved off at the same time, some hair grow back out faster than others
But like I said, I desperately hope that I’m wrong.
How about the fresh tattoo dots.Can this be explained?
I shave what hair I’ve got left.Yes your correct about how it grows back.
» »
» »
» » I hope the before picture is one with injections showing,otherwise you
» » might have a good point.If you look at before picture,it looks quite
» red
» » in places.Is this because of the tattoo dots or perhaps injections
» »
» » ]
» »
» » How would you shave in between hairs,anyway.
» »
» » The photos you see are from trial 1,more or likely,which was for safety
» » issues only
» »
» » Phase I clinical trials (safety) have been completed in seven
» volunteers
» » at a single UK transplant centre. No safety issues have arisen and five
» » out of the seven patients have shown increased hair numbers.
» »
» » » » I’m not sure if this is repeating information but there is a PDF on
» » the
» » » » Vavelta website from Kemps presentation at the FACE conference.
» I’ve
» » » not
» » » » seen it before and I don’t recall seeing it posted. Lot’s of good
» » stuff
» » » » here, inlcuding a few tidbits about TRC (he confirms it is both
» » » » rejuvenation AND Neo-Genesis), pictures of The Robot and so on.
» » » »
» » » » http://www.vavelta.com/vavelta/mp/story/vaveltaface/cell.pdf
» » » »
» » » » EDIT: On page 19, if I’m not mistaken are some photos. They are
» very
» » » » close up. The two dark marks I think are the markers used on the
» » Phase
» » » 1
» » » » volunteers as has been mentioned before.
» » » »
» » » » So the next time some naysayer complains about photos please direct
» » » them
» » » » to this.
» » »
» » »
» » »
» » » There doesn’t seem to be much of an improvement
» » » There seems to be some, but very minimal.
» » » It seems like only the length of the hair grew in the after picture
» » » compared to the shaved hair in the before picture.
» » » If you look at the before pictures, you can see the dark specks and
» » spots
» » » on the scalp which is probably the hair under the scalp that had been
» » » shaved short,
» » » if you imagine those grown out of the scalp, they look pretty much
» like
» » » the after pictures,
» » » because the after pictures don’t have as many of those black specks
» and
» » » spots of hair under the scalp (most of the hair in the after picture
» » are
» » » those that are not shaved and have grown out of the scalp)
» » » Am I the only one that sees it this way??
» » »
» » » Like someone had mentioned before, the pictures should both have been
» » » taken after the same amount of time since the hair had been shaved so
» » » there wouldn’t be any delusional effects due to the different hair
» » length.
»
»
» That’s what I hope for too, that I would be wrong.
» I don’t think they shaved in between the hairs,
» but for example, the before picture could have been taken 1 week after the
» hair was shaved, and the after could have been taken 2 weeks after the hair
» was shaved
» One of my friend who doesn’t have any hairloss problem, but always keeps
» his hair shaved, and once in awhile when I look at his head,
» this is the pattern that his hair grows back,
» even if they were all shaved off at the same time, some hair grow back out
» faster than others
» But like I said, I desperately hope that I’m wrong.
i wonder how much time had passed betwen these before and after photos?? also i would be interested to know if these hairs will continue to grow if they shave it?? and if these hairs are permanent or will they just fall out after a certain amount of months???
hey bliss,
I think that the dark spots are not due to the hair being shaved off completely. I do believe that the area has been trimmed using the same trimming procedure in both pictures.
The slightly darker dots are exactly what i have on my scalp just in the spots where all the tiny vellus hair grows from.
It is not easy to notice if you are a black guy or have a tan, and even if you don’t have one, you may have diffiulty to spot what I mean. But, if you have a digital camera, take a nice good shot in a good lighting conditions, without a flash and then zoom the picture in, and you will probably see that you have similar darker pores on your scalp as well. Usualy there is a tiny vellus hair growing out of the darker pore.
That is why I think it is showing rejuvenation.
hey debris, so are we saved??? (i.e., actual hair growth via rejuv or neogen, not just shaving conditions)
» hey bliss,
»
» I think that the dark spots are not due to the hair being shaved off
» completely. I do believe that the area has been trimmed using the same
» trimming procedure in both pictures.
»
» The slightly darker dots are exactly what i have on my scalp just in the
» spots where all the tiny vellus hair grows from.
»
» It is not easy to notice if you are a black guy or have a tan, and even if
» you don’t have one, you may have diffiulty to spot what I mean. But, if you
» have a digital camera, take a nice good shot in a good lighting conditions,
» without a flash and then zoom the picture in, and you will see that you
» probably have similar darker pores on your scalp as well. Usualy there is
» a tiny vellus hair growing out of the darker pore.
»
» That is why I think it is showing rejuvenation.
» hey debris, so are we saved??? (i.e., actual hair growth via rejuv or
» neogen, not just shaving conditions)
»
Well guys you all know that I’ve always been seen like one of the pessimists (even though I do insist that I’m just trying hard to be rational). And still I do think this looks very encouraging. I can’t tell if we are saved. These are just two photographs. I dunno if they are phase I or already phase II photos.
If they were phase I photos then well even if this guy was really the best responder, I’d say pretty impressive for safety trial.
I think they may be some of the phase II photos though. It would explain why they are showing them now and not a year before.
Other question is how valuable / viable the hair is. Does it grow just half a centimeter or did it grow 10cm long shafts? Is the diameter in the photograph close to the natural diameter? We’d have to analyze the photographs more thoroughly to get an idea of what it is or is not.
Someone shaving his head willing to take a photo of his safe area (area where his hair is still growing healthy thick hair) with a ruler next to it as a reference?
Then we could scale the photo to the similar size of these pictures we have here and compare the difference.