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#1

I know people are going to be critical of this after his skepticism from the initial rise in interest in Acell but I’m talking to Dr. Cole right now about the idea of getting his CIT method with minimum depth extraction along with Acell in the donor and getting the sites marked and photographed so he can check for regrowth. I said I would fly back to the office in Atlanta 6 months post-op to check for regrowth. He has said he’s seen a donor that even upon close inspection you could not detect a transplant so I asked him to perform a 2000-3000 graft CIT on me with Acell and I would supply before and after pictures for donor regrowth to see what percentage is coming back with his method. The other part I thought would be closely monitored is the hair count. Seeing how many hairs are growing and seeing if there really is “robust growth” in the recipient and a faster growth rate. With one procedure and close pictures he can either support and back these claims or debunk them, I’m hoping he will see all the the things that have been claimed and he will support the push for Acell. If he actually gives me a discount for the extra effort I make to give him scientific photographs and evidence I will be in Atlanta as soon as possible for the procedure. You guys talked me out of going to Hitzig for a strip with Acell, what about this idea with Dr. Cole? Any input? I’m willing to take one for the team if he gives me the go ahead, keep your fingers crossed.


#2

GoGiants1,
ultimately you have to decide if it’s right for you, make sure this is what you want, but there is no doubt that I for one will be extremely interested to see the result if you are kind enough to document it.

You might want to start slow - say a 500 graft procedure? Remember if it doesn’t work the white dotting may show up if you want to retain the option to shave down.


#3

» GoGiants1,
» ultimately you have to decide if it’s right for you, make sure
» this is what you want, but there is no doubt that I for one will be
» extremely interested to see the result if you are kind enough to document
» it.
»
» You might want to start slow - say a 500 graft procedure? Remember if it
» doesn’t work the white dotting may show up if you want to retain the option
» to shave down.

Thanks Skywalker, I appreciate the input, not too worried about the white dotting at this point but I’ll talk to the doctor about it.


#4

the decision is yours but would you print out and give him this simple guideline for taking before & after pics? otherwise the whole process is
worthless and proves nothing.


Before-After Picture Taking Protocol :

Please keep all photographs standardized with the same

a) high resolution camera,
b) distance from your head
c) lighting (this one is important)
d) angle
e) take a pic exactly 30 days apart till it all grows in
f) pics are labelled with dates on them
g) same hair length approximatlely (important)

Naturally you start with the Before (baseline) pictures and go from there.

Also I ask that the pics be :

a) front shot
b) left & right shot
c) bird’s eye view
d) crown
e) back of the head

PLEASE take the effort to document it exactly as described above otherwise its a TOTAL waste of time.

Thanks.


#5

I understand the problem with getting a strip scar, I would feel the same too, if you can get a small fue with Cole using Acell, that is not a bad idea. The beauty of all this Acell talk is that it is available now and we have the option to test it out ourselves, unlike some mythical ever elusive hair multiplication experiments such as Aderans or intercytex that are out of reach for the general public.


#6

GoGiants1

Can you upload some pictures so that we know the extent of your hair loss?

It is always a challenge attempting to prove donor regrowth. Are you prepared to shave the back of your head 6 months post op? This perhaps is the only way to facilitate some kind of objective comparison of the before and after condition of your donor.


#7

That really sounds great… and I really think it is a much wiser decision than having a strip procedure. I dont think you will regret your decision. I agree with the other poster that I would start slow (a few hundred grafts) and see how well the procedure takes. If the results are good then i would go for a more major procedure, rather than jumping in the cold water straight away. Anyway please do keep us updated and best of luck! Your results will be far more exciting and straightforward than any photographs from Hitzigs/Cooley’s presentations!!

» I know people are going to be critical of this after his skepticism from
» the initial rise in interest in Acell but I’m talking to Dr. Cole right now
» about the idea of getting his CIT method with minimum depth extraction
» along with Acell in the donor and getting the sites marked and photographed
» so he can check for regrowth. I said I would fly back to the office in
» Atlanta 6 months post-op to check for regrowth. He has said he’s seen a
» donor that even upon close inspection you could not detect a transplant so
» I asked him to perform a 2000-3000 graft CIT on me with Acell and I would
» supply before and after pictures for donor regrowth to see what percentage
» is coming back with his method. The other part I thought would be closely
» monitored is the hair count. Seeing how many hairs are growing and seeing
» if there really is “robust growth” in the recipient and a faster growth
» rate. With one procedure and close pictures he can either support and back
» these claims or debunk them, I’m hoping he will see all the the things that
» have been claimed and he will support the push for Acell. If he actually
» gives me a discount for the extra effort I make to give him scientific
» photographs and evidence I will be in Atlanta as soon as possible for the
» procedure. You guys talked me out of going to Hitzig for a strip with
» Acell, what about this idea with Dr. Cole? Any input? I’m willing to take
» one for the team if he gives me the go ahead, keep your fingers crossed.


#8

GoGiant i catch your drift here and i think you are aiming for this FUE multiplication, where enough material is taken out the grow in the recipient are but the same time material is left in the donor area to rebuilt a follicle

Good one

BUT i would start really small with 200 Grafts or so. Also you should ask him if he can take away the grafts from one place, so that we can see much regrow can actually be.

I know a small operation is not THAT cost effective and you will be pissed when it works like a acharm and you have to fly again BUT better save then sorry. :slight_smile:

But its an very good idea


#9

The problem here is that Cole doesn’t have the experience with Acell that Hitzig and Cooley do, such as using arterial blood as a vehicle. For example Cole tried using saline and Hitzig said “been there, done that, doesn’t work”. Did you check to see if Cooley does fue?


#10

DEFINITELY go with Dr Cole.

Dr Cole is the only person who has been posting absolutely clear and concise findings on ACell. Dr Hitzig is just posting sensationalist speculation, and the photos he displays are open to question - the ones Dr Cole has posted definitely aren’t open to question and are as clear as day.

Dr Cole appears to also have vast (ie as much as anyone else at the moment) experience with ACell, he just hasn’t done the plucking procedure trials.

If you would have been 95% close to having a transplant anyway even if this ACell thing hadn’t come up, then go with Dr Cole. I see no reason to disbelieve Dr Cole’s claims like I do with Hitzig.


#11

Excellent feedback guys, I can’t really afford to do a smaller FUE and then go back to Atlanta to have him check for regrowth. I want to make it clear that I am trying extremely hard to get him to do this but it’s a slow process and it takes him a while to respond to each email I send understandably considering his difficult schedule. I do think he is mixing PRP/Acell, I don’t really understand all the stuff about Hitzig using arterial blood spun down and the difference between that and typical PRP but maybe you guys could update me. As for shaving down my donor site, I am willing to do so and will rock a silly looking mushroom like cut for a while I guess to get you guys some more answers. He claimed that he had a patient already that he cannot even upon close inspection see signs of a transplant so he’s on the right track. As for doctor Hitzig, I think he’s a great guy but he might be moving a bit fast and throwing out some big claims and I wish he had some more proof to back them like pictures of these transplants with robust growth, with higher hair counts etc etc. Long story short I think the minimum number of grafts would be like 1500 for this procedure as I wanted to have one anyway, If I lose some donor it’s okay for the sake of pushing this research in the right direction.

Thanks for the insight everyone.


#12

I like your plan of fue vs strip and Cole has a lot of FUE experience. I’m just concerned with cole’s experience with Acell. He’s admitted having problems finding a vehicle to use to administer the Acell. Said He had clumping issues etc. Hitzig seems to be beyond that so it seems Cole is behind and doesn’t reach out to Hitzig for advice. Instead he’s doing is own trial and error at your expense.

Cole recently posting on using hyaluronic acid for delivery (rather than arterial blood?) so it seems he’s still experimenting while Hitzig has found the sweet spot.


#13

» I like your plan of fue vs strip and Cole has a lot of FUE experience. I’m
» just concerned with cole’s experience with Acell. He’s admitted having
» problems finding a vehicle to use to administer the Acell. Said He had
» clumping issues etc. Hitzig seems to be beyond that so it seems Cole is
» behind and doesn’t reach out to Hitzig for advice. Instead he’s doing is
» own trial and error at your expense.
»
» Cole recently posting on using hyaluronic acid for delivery (rather than
» arterial blood?) so it seems he’s still experimenting while Hitzig has
» found the sweet spot.

Ok if you go for a 1500 FUE then ok ask him if you guys can try to get this “Gho” type of thing but instead with using Acell to accelerate possible Regrew in Donor.

Dr Hitzig like others also mentioned is struggeling with the HOW to get this tedious thing more efficient in terms of time. I can totally understand that.

Thanks GoGiant for taking one for the team :slight_smile:


#14

» Ok if you go for a 1500 FUE then ok ask him if you guys can try to get this
» “Gho” type of thing but instead with using Acell to accelerate possible
» Regrew in Donor.
»
» Dr Hitzig like others also mentioned is struggeling with the HOW to get
» this tedious thing more efficient in terms of time. I can totally
» understand that.
»
» Thanks GoGiant for taking one for the team :slight_smile:

I believe the tedious part for Hitzig is plucking a hair with the bulb/epithelial tissue intact, not necessarily implanting it. Cole on the other hand has a tool for rapid FUE extraction. If he can figure out how to regenerate donor he will be ahead of the game. I think Cole has a big ego though and is too proud to ask for advise. He needs to be more humble and collaborate for our sake.

Cole also said he couldn’t see any signs of a transplant, but it seems that is only because the acell seems to reduce white dot scarring, not necessarily that it regenerated hair. I think he needs to go with a smaller punch and try to transect more. That seemed to be the key to regeneration with Acell in Hitzig/Cooley experiments.


#15

» » Ok if you go for a 1500 FUE then ok ask him if you guys can try to get
» this
» » “Gho” type of thing but instead with using Acell to accelerate possible
» » Regrew in Donor.
» »
» » Dr Hitzig like others also mentioned is struggeling with the HOW to get
» » this tedious thing more efficient in terms of time. I can totally
» » understand that.
» »
» » Thanks GoGiant for taking one for the team :slight_smile:
»
» I believe the tedious part for Hitzig is plucking a hair with the
» bulb/epithelial tissue intact, not necessarily implanting it. Cole on the
» other hand has a tool for rapid FUE extraction. If he can figure out how
» to regenerate donor he will be ahead of the game. I think Cole has a big
» ego though and is too proud to ask for advise. He needs to be more humble
» and collaborate for our sake.
»
» Cole also said he couldn’t see any signs of a transplant, but it seems that
» is only because the acell seems to reduce white dot scarring, not
» necessarily that it regenerated hair. I think he needs to go with a
» smaller punch and try to transect more. That seemed to be the key to
» regeneration with Acell in Hitzig/Cooley experiments.

Man this is getting boring more and more people here become smart :slight_smile:

You are absolutely right, tha transplantation is not the problem but to get the yield. You need a fool proof method to pluck the hairs.

Btw to the People who thinh that this plucking is a fake…WHY would someone like Hitzig who performs FUT and FUE test and experiment with this technique if he could rely solely on FUT and FUE?

Its simple, everyone with just one braincell intact can see the nearby future and what kind of demand actually stands behind plucking.

And as Dr Hitzig stated a few hours ago he wasnt actually the first person to “multiply” hairs, some other guy did this also and from one hair he got two through “splitting”

So all we have today is a cure which we cant use with full efficancy right now :slight_smile:

My Idea or impression is, if you would use the USELESS Neograft FUE machine and make them plucking devices… if this would work WELL then you got your inexpense cure on the spot.


#16

» » » Ok if you go for a 1500 FUE then ok ask him if you guys can try to get
» » this
» » » “Gho” type of thing but instead with using Acell to accelerate
» possible
» » » Regrew in Donor.
» » »
» » » Dr Hitzig like others also mentioned is struggeling with the HOW to
» get
» » » this tedious thing more efficient in terms of time. I can totally
» » » understand that.
» » »
» » » Thanks GoGiant for taking one for the team :slight_smile:
» »
» » I believe the tedious part for Hitzig is plucking a hair with the
» » bulb/epithelial tissue intact, not necessarily implanting it. Cole on
» the
» » other hand has a tool for rapid FUE extraction. If he can figure out
» how
» » to regenerate donor he will be ahead of the game. I think Cole has a
» big
» » ego though and is too proud to ask for advise. He needs to be more
» humble
» » and collaborate for our sake.
» »
» » Cole also said he couldn’t see any signs of a transplant, but it seems
» that
» » is only because the acell seems to reduce white dot scarring, not
» » necessarily that it regenerated hair. I think he needs to go with a
» » smaller punch and try to transect more. That seemed to be the key to
» » regeneration with Acell in Hitzig/Cooley experiments.
»
» Man this is getting boring more and more people here become smart :slight_smile:
»
» You are absolutely right, tha transplantation is not the problem but to get
» the yield. You need a fool proof method to pluck the hairs.
»
» Btw to the People who thinh that this plucking is a fake…WHY would
» someone like Hitzig who performs FUT and FUE test and experiment with this
» technique if he could rely solely on FUT and FUE?
»
» Its simple, everyone with just one braincell intact can see the nearby
» future and what kind of demand actually stands behind plucking.
»
» And as Dr Hitzig stated a few hours ago he wasnt actually the first person
» to “multiply” hairs, some other guy did this also and from one hair he got
» two through “splitting”
»
» So all we have today is a cure which we cant use with full efficancy right
» now :slight_smile:
»
» My Idea or impression is, if you would use the USELESS Neograft FUE machine
» and make them plucking devices… if this would work WELL
» then you got your inexpense cure on the spot.

why are we talking about plucking hairs? Gogiants is thinking of getting a real fue from cole.


#17

Bla bla bla bla because the one thing is somehow connected to the other thing. Just look throuh the postings histiry and you will see it.

Yes he is getting FUE done or tries to get Fue multiplication or HST or whatever it is called done.

And thats a good thing. The earlier we get involved and clinics and docs are willing to experiment the better it will be for us


#18

» Bla bla bla bla because the one thing is somehow connected to the other
» thing. Just look throuh the postings histiry and you will see it.
»
» Yes he is getting FUE done or tries to get Fue multiplication or HST or
» whatever it is called done.
»
» And thats a good thing. The earlier we get involved and clinics and docs
» are willing to experiment the better it will be for us

I wonder why Gho doesn’t try Acell with his HST, has anyone asked him about that?


#19

» » Bla bla bla bla because the one thing is somehow connected to the other
» » thing. Just look throuh the postings histiry and you will see it.
» »
» » Yes he is getting FUE done or tries to get Fue multiplication or HST or
» » whatever it is called done.
» »
» » And thats a good thing. The earlier we get involved and clinics and docs
» » are willing to experiment the better it will be for us
»
»
» I wonder why Gho doesn’t try Acell with his HST, has anyone asked him about
» that?

Well Acell is not approved in Europe :frowning: you know when it comes to this Europe is a fifth world country i mean continent.

Iron.Man seems to have contact to Gho, he should ask him, would be nice to hear


#20

» I know people are going to be critical of this after his skepticism from
» the initial rise in interest in Acell but I’m talking to Dr. Cole right now
» about the idea of getting his CIT method with minimum depth extraction
» along with Acell in the donor and getting the sites marked and photographed
» so he can check for regrowth. I said I would fly back to the office in
» Atlanta 6 months post-op to check for regrowth. He has said he’s seen a
» donor that even upon close inspection you could not detect a transplant so
» I asked him to perform a 2000-3000 graft CIT on me with Acell and I would
» supply before and after pictures for donor regrowth to see what percentage
» is coming back with his method. The other part I thought would be closely
» monitored is the hair count. Seeing how many hairs are growing and seeing
» if there really is “robust growth” in the recipient and a faster growth
» rate. With one procedure and close pictures he can either support and back
» these claims or debunk them, I’m hoping he will see all the the things that
» have been claimed and he will support the push for Acell. If he actually
» gives me a discount for the extra effort I make to give him scientific
» photographs and evidence I will be in Atlanta as soon as possible for the
» procedure. You guys talked me out of going to Hitzig for a strip with
» Acell, what about this idea with Dr. Cole? Any input? I’m willing to take
» one for the team if he gives me the go ahead, keep your fingers crossed.

I’d go for it.

If it works you should be able to retain a ton of donor hair and help out a lot of people on these boards too.