» » » » I haven’t been on there website in awhile but it looks
» » like
» » » they posted everything she talked about in the
» » » interview. They also posted a release date of 2015.
» » »
» » » What BS are you talking about??
» »
» » The latest Interview clearly stated 2015 in
» the USA Dr Ziering stated
» » this and he did give us some hints about upcoming problems
» »
» » Also some other interesting facts which are not so extrem good but also
» » not that bad.
»
» What BS are YOU talking about??
»
» The “latest interview” with Dr. Craig Ziering & Spencer Kobrein has been
» August, 2009!
»
» And the latest interview with Dr. Gail Naughton & Spencer Kobrein
» (Topic: “Continued Significant Hair Growth at One Year Follow-up” )
» has been one month ago!
» » » » » I haven’t been on there website in awhile but it
» looks
» » » like
» » » » they posted everything she talked about in the
» » » » interview. They also posted a release date of 2015.
» » » »
» » » » What BS are you talking about??
» » »
» » » The latest Interview clearly stated 2015 in
» » the USA Dr Ziering stated
» » » this and he did give us some hints about upcoming problems
» » »
» » » Also some other interesting facts which are not so extrem good but
» also
» » » not that bad.
» »
» » What BS are YOU talking about??
» »
» » The “latest interview” with Dr. Craig Ziering & Spencer Kobrein has
» been
» » August, 2009!
» »
» » And the latest interview with Dr. Gail Naughton & Spencer
» Kobrein
» » (Topic: “Continued Significant Hair Growth at One Year Follow-up”
» )
» » has been one month ago!
»
» Iron Man is right, you may not be listening to the latest interview. The
» latest interview is here:
» http://www.thebaldtruth.com/articles/histogen-continued-hair-growth-interview/
Here we go! Here’s where the bullsh*t and frustration process starts!
Common sense guys. Time to put the common sense into gear and stop believing every timeline a HM company shovels at you.
Histogen has not even started FDA trials in the USA. That typically means 2020 if they started tomorrow. Even if some of the overseas trials were somehow counted you’re probably still looking at most of a decade, like 2017-ish.
You guys can all believe a Histogen spokesperson when they say 2015 now, and then act all indignant & betrayed when it doesn’t happen in 2015. You can gripe about how they “missed their deadline” and all that.
Or you can use your COMMON SENSE, throw out their prediction, and take a realistic guess like the high 20-teens at the earliest.
This is the case for FDA approval in the USA. But of course Histogen’s procedure might be available in an unregulated country years earlier than this. If so, it comes with all the risk & lack of guarantees that an unregulated country implies.
» They also posted a release date of 2015.
»
» It clearly states on their website that the estimated date of the injectable HSC is 2015
Here we go! Here’s where the bullsh*t and frustration process starts!
»
»
»
»
»
» Common sense guys. Time to put the common sense into gear and stop
» believing every timeline a HM company shovels at you.
»
»
»
» Histogen has not even started FDA trials in the USA. That typically
» means 2020 if they started tomorrow. Even if some of the
» overseas trials were somehow counted you’re probably still looking at most
» of a decade, like 2017-ish.
»
» You guys can all believe a Histogen spokesperson when they say 2015 now,
» and then act all indignant & betrayed when it doesn’t happen in 2015. You
» can gripe about how they “missed their deadline” and all that.
»
» Or you can use your COMMON SENSE, throw out their prediction, and
» take a realistic guess like the high 20-teens at the earliest.
»
»
»
»
»
» This is the case for FDA approval in the USA. But of course Histogen’s
» procedure might be available in an unregulated country years earlier than
» this. If so, it comes with all the risk & lack of guarantees that an
» unregulated country implies.
» They also posted a release date of 2015.
»
» Here we go! Here’s where the bullsh*t and frustration process starts!
»
»
»
»
»
» Common sense guys. Time to put the common sense into gear and stop
» believing every timeline a HM company shovels at you.
»
»
»
» Histogen has not even started FDA trials in the USA. That typically
» means 2020 if they started tomorrow. Even if some of the
» overseas trials were somehow counted you’re probably still looking at most
» of a decade, like 2017-ish.
»
» You guys can all believe a Histogen spokesperson when they say 2015 now,
» and then act all indignant & betrayed when it doesn’t happen in 2015. You
» can gripe about how they “missed their deadline” and all that.
»
» Or you can use your COMMON SENSE, throw out their prediction, and
» take a realistic guess like the high 20-teens at the earliest.
»
»
»
»
»
» This is the case for FDA approval in the USA. But of course Histogen’s
» procedure might be available in an unregulated country years earlier than
» this. If so, it comes with all the risk & lack of guarantees that an
» unregulated country implies.
The difference being; Histogen have provided photos to show that their product works, to some degree. I’m much more inclined to think Histogen can suceed more than I was intercytex.
Yeah but the effectiveness of the treatment is essentially a different subject from the timeline.
I’m just talking about legalizing it in the USA. They said 2015 and they’re full of crap. They couldn’t get it FDA-legalized by 2015 if they had started on it a couple years ago, let alone starting in the future.
Like I said, this is how the bullsh*t starts.
One of the HM companies throws out an unrealistic timeline, and people start believing it just because it came from the horse’s mouth. But this is the field of cutting-edge medical research. These horses are famous for lying about timelines.
» Yeah but the effectiveness of the treatment is essentially a different
» subject from the timeline.
»
» I’m just talking about legalizing it in the USA. They said 2015 and
» they’re full of crap. They couldn’t get it FDA-legalized by 2015 if they
» had started on it a couple years ago, let alone starting in the future.
»
»
»
»
»
» Like I said, this is how the bullsh*t starts.
»
» One of the HM companies throws out an unrealistic timeline, and people
» start believing it just because it came from the horse’s mouth. But this
» is the field of cutting-edge medical research. These horses are famous for
» lying about timelines.
Lets just wait for the clinical trials to start and see how things progress from there, there is no point in trying to second guess the progress. If it’s going to work it will work. i dont understand the elation of last week to depression of this week. The clinical trils will tell all regardless of if they are done in the US or other parts oif the world.
My objection to the 2015 prediction is not a medical question, it’s a math problem. The trials cannot be completed in anywhere near such a short time. They haven’t even announced plans to start the FDA process as far as I know. 2015 is less than five years from now.
Histogen might make a great product.
They might get it legalized in some other country.
They might start the process of legalizing it in the USA.
Histogen has proved that they are capable of making very fast trials outside USA.
If everything goes well, they will be capable of launching it in Asia very soon.
Dr. Naughton said trials are very fast in Singapore. The burocracy is very fast.
They did it in Honduras. And it was very fast.
Note that the procedure is very simple. Just a set of injections. There are no biopsies, no cell culturing, etc.
Still, I can blame Naughton when she, in a former interview, spoke about people “flying to Asia” to get “full heads of hair”. That was stupid.
And you are right, this could very well be a skam, everything is possible. But they are doing trials with lots of trialists. The same as ARI. And this is the best proof of sincerity that we have available right now.
Compared with Gho, the credibility of Histogen is 1000x times higher.
» My objection to the 2015 prediction is not a medical question, it’s a math
» problem. The trials cannot be completed in anywhere near such a short
» time. They haven’t even announced plans to start the FDA process as far as
» I know. 2015 is less than five years from now.
»
»
»
» Histogen might make a great product.
»
» They might get it legalized in some other country.
»
» They might start the process of legalizing it in the USA.
»
» I am not saying any of that stuff isn’t possible.
»
»
» But the specific 2015 prediction is a lie.
Can I just ask the American posters on here, If Histogen do bring their treatment to market outside of the US in about three years and it’s shown to give you near enough a full head of hair, will you not bother going for the treatment because it hasn’t been approved by the FDA or will you be booking your flights at the first opportunity?
» Can I just ask the American posters on here, If Histogen do bring their
» treatment to market outside of the US in about three years and it’s shown
» to give you near enough a full head of hair, will you not bother going for
» the treatment because it hasn’t been approved by the FDA or will you be
» booking your flights at the first opportunity?
No fcking way am I going to use a protocol that has a chance of giving me cancer if it hasn’t been cleared by the FDA. Trials are long and laborious FOR A REASON - because the alternative is dangerous.
» » Can I just ask the American posters on here, If Histogen do bring their
» » treatment to market outside of the US in about three years and it’s
» shown
» » to give you near enough a full head of hair, will you not bother going
» for
» » the treatment because it hasn’t been approved by the FDA or will you be
» » booking your flights at the first opportunity?
»
» No fcking way am I going to use a protocol that has a chance of giving me
» cancer if it hasn’t been cleared by the FDA. Trials are long and laborious
» FOR A REASON - because the alternative is dangerous.
Indeed, you are right fckhrls.
But if you think that the FDA approved medicine is totally safe, think twice.
There is a lot of lobbying behind the scenes, maybe this is why the FDA takes so long to decide, ahem!
» » » Can I just ask the American posters on here, If Histogen do bring
» their
» » » treatment to market outside of the US in about three years and it’s
» » shown
» » » to give you near enough a full head of hair, will you not bother
» going
» » for
» » » the treatment because it hasn’t been approved by the FDA or will you
» be
» » » booking your flights at the first opportunity?
» »
» » No fcking way am I going to use a protocol that has a chance of giving
» me
» » cancer if it hasn’t been cleared by the FDA. Trials are long and
» laborious
» » FOR A REASON - because the alternative is dangerous.
»
» Indeed, you are right fckhrls.
» But if you think that the FDA approved medicine is totally safe, think
» twice.
» There is a lot of lobbying behind the scenes, maybe this is why the FDA
» takes so long to decide, ahem!
» Indeed, you are right fckhrls.
» But if you think that the FDA approved medicine is totally safe, think
» twice.
» There is a lot of lobbying behind the scenes, maybe this is why the FDA
» takes so long to decide, ahem!
I’m most certainly NOT against a proper trial process that ensures my safety.
I am against those that assume the FDA holds the exclusive rights to the “Gold Standard”.
Histogen’s trials aren’t being performed in some dark damp alley, using unsanitized instruments on mentally deranged convicts in communist China. The trials are being performed in Singapore… one of the richest, and most highly cosmopolitan places on earth. The only reason to raise a stink about trials in Singapore would be none other than some good old fashioned prejudice.
» I’m most certainly NOT against a proper trial process that ensures my safety.
»
» I am against those that assume the FDA holds the exclusive rights to the
» “Gold Standard”.
»
» Histogen’s trials aren’t being performed in some dark damp alley, using
» unsanitized instruments on mentally deranged convicts in communist China.
» The trials are being performed in Singapore… one of the richest, and most
» highly cosmopolitan places on earth. The only reason to raise a stink about
» trials in Singapore would be none other than some good old fashioned
» prejudice.
You can find a lot of information about clinical trails in Pan-Asia, if you google e.g. “Singapore Clinical Trails”.
Histogen has proved that they are capable of making very fast trials outside USA.
If everything goes well, they will be capable of launching it in Asia very soon.
Dr. Naughton said trials are very fast in Singapore. The burocracy is very fast.
They did it in Honduras. And it was very fast.
I have never said that Histogen couldn’t get the product cleared outside the USA. They can do that, and possibly they will.
I have said, and I am still saying, that Histogen cannot get through the American FDA by 2015. That is not even close to being plausible.
The FDA is not the only regulatory group that is worth listening to, but they are a decent one to trust.
No matter what they do to test the product, testing it on humans for 10 years tells us a lot more about its safety than testing it for 5 years. Whether it’s 10 years in the American FDA, 10 years in some other nation with a similar clinical trials process, whatever. The important thing is the 10 years.
Would I get Histogen’s injections done sooner than 10 years if they hit the market?
I don’t know. It would be easy for me to get high & mighty and say I’m too wise for that, but the emotional draw of getting ALL my hair back 5 years earlier is powerful. And I’m sure plenty of other people from the USA will be getting it done early if it’s released.
If I read up on the science involved on my own, and came to the conclusion that I think it’s likely to be reasonably safe, then maybe I would.
» cal, that prediction is not necessarily a lie.
»
» Histogen has proved that they are capable of making very fast trials
» outside USA.
» If everything goes well, they will be capable of launching it in Asia very
» soon.
» Dr. Naughton said trials are very fast in Singapore. The burocracy is very
» fast.
» They did it in Honduras. And it was very fast.
»
»
» I have never said that Histogen couldn’t get the product cleared outside
» the USA. They can do that, and possibly they will.
»
» I have said, and I am still saying, that Histogen cannot get through the
» American FDA by 2015. That is not even close to being plausible.
»
»
»
»
»
»
» The FDA is not the only regulatory group that is worth listening to, but
» they are a decent one to trust.
»
» No matter what they do to test the product, testing it on humans for 10
» years tells us a lot more about its safety than testing it for 5 years.
» Whether it’s 10 years in the American FDA, 10 years in some other nation
» with a similar clinical trials process, whatever. The important thing is
» the 10 years.
»
»
»
»
»
» Would I get Histogen’s injections done sooner than 10 years if they hit
» the market?
»
» I don’t know. It would be easy for me to get high & mighty and say I’m
» too wise for that, but the emotional draw of getting ALL my hair back 5
» years earlier is powerful. And I’m sure plenty of other people from the
» USA will be getting it done early if it’s released.
»
» If I read up on the science involved on my own, and came to the conclusion
» that I think it’s likely to be reasonably safe, then maybe I would.
You sound like someone from a german Bord " I Want Hair now so lets do a FUT"
REMEMBER : There is no such thing as a correct and allmighty timeline for approval.
10 Years up my as* thats pure speculations from your standpoint.
And to get du fckrlsbasstard : Cancer? Nope sorry no chance. I bet you wish that it would bring cancer to sell some more HT Transplants, but it doesnt.
If it would work and there would be still no FDA Approval in “THE STATES, THE CENTER OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE” i would fly to asia anyways " Third WOrld COuntrys for the Win FACEPALM"
Yup. America’s got all the answers… that’s why most of our food contains corn syrup derivatives that onset diabetes and obesity. Cattle parts are fed to cattle in effort to save a few bucks, meat filler’s sanitized with ammonia in massive washing machines because keeping cattle clean to stay-off e coli is simply inefficient, the world’s economy gone down the toilet while the perpetrators are given billions in bonuses, gun rights supersede healthcare reform, the solution to the oil leak off the gulf coast is to fill the pipe with shredded tires and golf balls, and many retired FDA officials go to work as special advisors to the pharmaceutical and food industries.
Now don’t get me wrong, America’s a country full of decent people; unfortunately, it’s been taken hostage by its corporations and their special interest groups… that includes the FDA.
» You sound like someone from a german Bord " I Want Hair now so lets do a
» FUT"
»
» REMEMBER : There is no such thing as a correct and allmighty timeline for
» approval.
»
» 10 Years up my as* thats pure speculations from your standpoint.
»
» And to get du fckrlsbasstard : Cancer? Nope sorry no chance. I bet you
» wish that it would bring cancer to sell some more HT Transplants, but it
» doesnt.
»
» If it would work and there would be still no FDA Approval in “THE STATES,
» THE CENTER OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE” i would fly to asia anyways " Third WOrld
» COuntrys for the Win FACEPALM"
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