Healthy Skepticism

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
1

I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation, and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy dose of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that Intercytex or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?

You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly potentially benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing to gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few major recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe it , When I see it.
I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is finished with the test results, as if it was already here.

2

» I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years
» back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation,
» and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy dose
» of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that Intercytex
» or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however
» thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?
»
» You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly potentially
» benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing to
» gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few major
» recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe it
» , When I see it.
» I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is
» finished with the test results, as if it was already here.

3

» I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years
» back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation,
» and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy dose
» of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that Intercytex
» or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however
» thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?
»
» You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly potentially
» benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing to
» gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few major
» recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe it
» , When I see it.
» I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is
» finished with the test results, as if it was already here.

I have a healthy skepticism about all those natural products you take. I once took Saw Palmetto for 8 months. It took me from a NW2 to a NW3. I dumped the stuff, and I haven’t lost any more hair for the last 10 years. The fact is that no legitimate studies have been performed for all that stuff you take, yet you promote it not only like it is proven to work, but that it is a necessity in EVERY BALD MAN’S LIFE. If there are any “scams” going on in this forum, you are it.

Until you can stop being the world’s greatest hippocrite, please get off your pulpit. You have not brought up a single scientific fact up in your campaign against HM. You keep saying the same stupid crap over and over like a mantra without using a single ounce of intelligence in your argument. You must be extraordinarily uneducated. Read up on how to write a legitimate paper, and then come back and lay your points out. Otherwise, your voicing nothing more than unsubstantiated propaganda.

You bring up Bazan as your conclusive evidence that HM won’t work? The difference you ask for is that Bazan had literally 0 dollars in funding and was completely unheard of in the field. OTOH, Dr. Stenn is the highest ranking scholar in the field of hair restoration, and Dr. Kemp is among the highest ranking scholars in the field of cell therapy. In fact Kemp pioneered the field and was responsible for the first commercial FDA approved product in this field. Both Kemp and Stenn’s teams are funded by millions of dollars and are back by very large research teams. You ask what is the difference between Bazan and these guys? Your question reveals your extraordinary level of ignorance in this subject matter!

You come on here without a single ounce of knowledge of what is driving this technology, and you use Jerry Springer show like arguments in your campaign against this technology. Seriously Hangin, how can we have a legitimate debate about what is important about this technology if you know absolutely nothing about it? It is impossible. Due to your extraordinary level of ignorance in this subject, the only possible debate we can have is to sling uneducated mud in each other’s faces. And that my friend is your area of specialization. So what am I to do. My discussion with you is like having to dumb myself down to the level of being a dog. But if I dumb myself down to your level, I can only bark, and my higher power human thoughts suddenly do me no good in the debate. So please get at least partially informed about the subject before you decide to campaign against it.

Sincerely,

jb

“I have made only one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.” Voltaire

4

» I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years
» back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation,
» and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy dose
» of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that Intercytex
» or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however
» thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?
»
» You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly potentially
» benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing to
» gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few major
» recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe it
» , When I see it.
» I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is
» finished with the test results, as if it was already here.

we all have skepticism, but there is no way you can compare Bazan or Gho for that matter to a research group like ICX. just bringing Bazan’s name up in the same sentence as HM makes me suspect you really are not that informed about where HM’s progress. Bazan and Gho had no money for this costly research and nowhere near the same resources. it’s apples to oranges comparison. neither of those guys made it to phase II (or through phase I if i remember correctly). Bazan was a joke anyway, anybody that had faith in that probably wasnt too bright anyway.

whatever you say, there’s no doubt that ICX is the best hope at this point for brining HM to the market in the near future. they’ve been late on their timelines but i’m not aware of any “scams” as you’ve mentioned. at least not by ICX.

this isnt directed toward you, but i suspect this board is going to continue to have more and more pessimists blast HM until phase II results come out and even if it’s good news they’ll probably bitch about it being no photos for them to pick apart and examine. when there’s good news the pessimists are quiet, but when there’s a waiting period, they all come out like a nasty cold sore and list everything negative reason from stocks to Kemp’s choice of wardrobe of why HM wont come out hoping someone will debate with them and prove them wrong so they can feel some kind of temporary hope.

5

» » I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» » that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years
» » back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation,
» » and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy
» dose
» » of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» » announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that
» Intercytex
» » or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however
» » thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?
» »
» » You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly
» potentially
» » benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing
» to
» » gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few
» major
» » recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe
» it
» » , When I see it.
» » I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is
» » finished with the test results, as if it was already here.
»
» I have a healthy skepticism about all those natural products you take. I
» once took Saw Palmetto for 8 months. It took me from a NW2 to a NW3. I
» dumped the stuff, and I haven’t lost any more hair for the last 10 years.
» The fact is that no legitimate studies have been performed for all that
» stuff you take, yet you promote it not only like it is proven to work, but
» that it is a necessity in EVERY BALD MAN’S LIFE. If there are any “scams”
» going on in this forum, you are it.
»
» Until you can stop being the world’s greatest hippocrite, please get off
» your pulpit. You have not brought up a single scientific fact up in your
» campaign against HM. You keep saying the same stupid crap over and over
» like a mantra without using a single ounce of intelligence in your
» argument. You must be extraordinarily uneducated. Read up on how to write
» a legitimate paper, and then come back and lay your points out. Otherwise,
» your voicing nothing more than unsubstantiated propaganda.
»
» You bring up Bazan as your conclusive evidence that HM won’t work? The
» difference you ask for is that Bazan had literally 0 dollars in funding
» and was completely unheard of in the field. OTOH, Dr. Stenn is the highest
» ranking scholar in the field of hair restoration, and Dr. Kemp is among the
» highest ranking scholars in the field of cell therapy. In fact Kemp
» pioneered the field and was responsible for the first commercial FDA
» approved product in this field. Both Kemp and Stenn’s teams are funded by
» millions of dollars and are back by very large research teams. You ask
» what is the difference between Bazan and these guys? Try reading a few of
» the plethora of peer reviewed studies out there on HM–then get back to us
» when you have a clue!
»
» Sincerely,
»
» jb
»
» “I have made only one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my
» enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.” Voltaire

First of all did I tell you to take my regimen, or anyone? show me where?
If anyone does try ANY REGIMEN, mine included, chances are probably more likely than not that it WONT work for them, regimens dont work on everyone

so Saw Palmetto didnt help you? so what , you probably took it alone, with no other vits mins, If all i took was SP my hair would go downhill fast, and be bald within two years

you cannot pick out a supplment and take only that and expect it to help you, of course closed minded inviduals are not open to the concept of a well rounded regimen, so this concept eludes them, this would include guys like yourself

6

» » I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» » that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few years
» » back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager anticipation,
» » and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy
» dose
» » of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» » announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that
» Intercytex
» » or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something, however
» » thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the difference?
» »
» » You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly
» potentially
» » benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have nothing
» to
» » gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few
» major
» » recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will believe
» it
» » , When I see it.
» » I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it is
» » finished with the test results, as if it was already here.
»
» we all have skepticism, but there is no way you can compare Bazan or Gho
» for that matter to a research group like ICX. just bringing Bazan’s name
» up in the same sentence as HM makes me suspect you really are not that
» informed about where HM’s progress. Bazan and Gho had no money for this
» costly research and nowhere near the same resources. it’s apples to
» oranges comparison. neither of those guys made it to phase II (or through
» phase I if i remember correctly). Bazan was a joke anyway, anybody that
» had faith in that probably wasnt too bright anyway.
»
» whatever you say, there’s no doubt that ICX is the best hope at this point
» for brining HM to the market in the near future. they’ve been late on their
» timelines but i’m not aware of any “scams” as you’ve mentioned. at least
» not by ICX.
»
» this isnt directed toward you, but i suspect this board is going to
» continue to have more and more pessimists blast HM until phase II results
» come out and even if it’s good news they’ll probably bitch about it being
» no photos for them to pick apart and examine. when there’s good news the
» pessimists are quiet, but when there’s a waiting period, they all come out
» like a nasty cold sore and list everything negative reason from stocks to
» Kemp’s choice of wardrobe of why HM wont come out hoping someone will
» debate with them and prove them wrong so they can feel some kind of
» temporary hope.

Look, nobody would be more thrilled that HM becomes a reality than most of us board members who sure can use it if it works. Why would we be so skeptical if we thought it is coming in the near future. I would be more than happy to be proved wrong in Sept, but my prediction is, if the results are not forthcoming on that date, the apologists will step forward with a list of excuses.

Which is still fine, But my take on the issue is, when it is FINISHED AND READY TO GO TO MARKET, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN USE IT

I see no reason for all these…phase 1,2, 3 are taking place, its all just BS until its proven to work and at this point that is certainly not the case

7

» First of all did I tell you to take my regimen, or anyone? show me where?
» If anyone does try ANY REGIMEN, mine included, chances are probably more
» likely than not that it WONT work for them, regimens dont work on
» everyone
»
» so Saw Palmetto didnt help you? so what , you probably took it alone, with
» no other vits mins, If all i took was SP my hair would go downhill fast,
» and be bald within two years
»
» you cannot pick out a supplment and take only that and expect it to help
» you, of course closed minded inviduals are not open to the concept of a
» well rounded regimen, so this concept eludes them, this would include guys
» like yourself

It is not that SP didn’t work–it is that it caused my very stable hair to fall out in droves. And it wasn’t shedding that would come back. It flat caused hairloss!

Of course, when I took propecia, I grew back practically all of my hair in a very short time. But, I decided not to take it anymore, partly because it made my nuts ache(supposedly that goes away after awhile). I suppose the other reason I quit the propecia is because it is a hassle to take and it does weird things to your hormone levels.

BTW, I have tested how fast it takes you to respond to my posts. It has been quite interesting. Your response comes in within minutes of my posting every single time. Even if I leave for 4 or 5 days, and then whip in a post, you have responded within a few minutes. All’s I can say is there is more to life than hair. I once got as passionate about HM as you are about your natural treatments. I see no fault in your being excited about them and listing them in your signature like a hardcore overclocker lists his latest hardware. The only fault I see is that you are so attached to your treatment methodology that you run down other people’s interests and that you don’t use legitimate avenues to do that.

8

» » First of all did I tell you to take my regimen, or anyone? show me
» where?
» » If anyone does try ANY REGIMEN, mine included, chances are probably
» more
» » likely than not that it WONT work for them, regimens dont work on
» » everyone
» »
» » so Saw Palmetto didnt help you? so what , you probably took it alone,
» with
» » no other vits mins, If all i took was SP my hair would go downhill
» fast,
» » and be bald within two years
» »
» » you cannot pick out a supplment and take only that and expect it to
» help
» » you, of course closed minded inviduals are not open to the concept of a
» » well rounded regimen, so this concept eludes them, this would include
» guys
» » like yourself
»
» It is not that SP didn’t work–it is that it caused my very stable hair to
» fall out in droves. And it wasn’t

shedding that would come back. It flat
» caused hairloss!
»
» Of course, when I took propecia, I grew back practically all of my hair in
» a very short time. But, I decided not to take it anymore, partly because it
» made my nuts ache(supposedly that goes away after awhile). I suppose the
» other reason I quit the propecia is because it is a hassle to take and it
» does weird things to your hormone levels.
»
» BTW, I have tested how fast it takes you to respond to my posts. It has
» been quite interesting. Your response comes in within minutes of my
» posting every single time. Even if I leave for 4 or 5 days, and then whip
» in a post, you have responded within a few minutes. All’s I can say is
» there is more to life than hair. I once got as passionate about HM as you
» are about your natural treatments. I see no fault in your being excited
» about them and listing them in your signature like a hardcore overclocker
» lists his latest hardware. The only fault I see is that you are so
» attached to your treatment methodology that you run down other people’s
» interests and that you don’t use legitimate avenues to do that.

i do not run down other peoples methodology, i ran down hogans as a personal
slam because he is an irritant but it was not a specific saying this does not work

i only comment on what I have personally tried,

if someone has something they are doing that works, good on them, why stop taking it, However if someone says, Gee I tried zinc and my hair didnt improve, I will say, yes you need a comprehensive program, of vits minerals, topicals, all types of stuff to attack from the inside outside, anything that benefits hair you should try, to see if it helps

the reason i push the vits and minerals is not necessarily because i think they will regrow your hair, but because I KNOW they are CRITICAL to healthy hair
For 20 yrs thats ALL I USED to stop my baldness, and I have a NASTY balding gene, my hair just SHUT DOWN when i was 21 and i lost my bangs and it almost was within 2 yrs of bald on top. The only thing they had in the 70s was nothing basically not even rogaine, so I took vitamins, and if thats all you use, you sure as hell better find some damned good vitamins. It did not prevent the progression of my MPB however it SLOWED IT DOWN CONSIDERABLY, instead of 2 yrs I was on a 15 to 20 yr path to bald on top. After almost 20 yrs of only vits my DHT was im sure massive, and Im one of the lucky ones to respond to DHT blockers. After i added those my hair has regrown CONSIDERABLY and is so thick on the sides and back its like high school, the top front was see through before and is now almost normal. The crown had no response since it was dead 15 yrs BEFORE i added the dht blockers.

we all respond to different regimens,

i do find it very odd that SP caused a shed, i have heard of this before, but its rare

9

» I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan,

I don’t know how you can call Bazan’s work a “large study or test”. He never actually set up a formal testing program. He never released any information about how many patients were tested with HM. At most, it was a small handful of test patients. It may have even been zero test patients, because he never released any results. Within months after he started hyping various forms of “HM” on his website, he dramatically cut back publicity and not a word has been heard from him since. And as JB pointed out, he had zero funding.

10

Hey Hangin,

It’s fine to be skeptical, but you offer nothing productive/positive or even interesting in this forum. I’m skeptical about Intercytex, but that doesn’t mean I go about proclaiming it every second. And in Intercytex’s favor, they are the best-funded, most aggressive company to date pursuing hair multiplication. So there is reason to be optimistic.

All the best,
BB

P.S. By the way there is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence that your nostrums work – and your sample of N=1 will not validate these supposed “DHT blockers”. If I were you I’d go on propecia right away, add some rogaine foam, and save up money for a realistic hairpiece (see www.toplace.com) or series of hair transplants.

» » » I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however
» being
» » » that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few
» years
» » » back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager
» anticipation,
» » » and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a healthy
» » dose
» » » of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» » » announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that
» » Intercytex
» » » or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something,
» however
» » » thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the
» difference?
» » »
» » » You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly
» » potentially
» » » benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have
» nothing
» » to
» » » gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few
» » major
» » » recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will
» believe
» » it
» » » , When I see it.
» » » I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it
» is
» » » finished with the test results, as if it was already here.
» »
» » we all have skepticism, but there is no way you can compare Bazan or
» Gho
» » for that matter to a research group like ICX. just bringing Bazan’s
» name
» » up in the same sentence as HM makes me suspect you really are not that
» » informed about where HM’s progress. Bazan and Gho had no money for this
» » costly research and nowhere near the same resources. it’s apples to
» » oranges comparison. neither of those guys made it to phase II (or
» through
» » phase I if i remember correctly). Bazan was a joke anyway, anybody that
» » had faith in that probably wasnt too bright anyway.
» »
» » whatever you say, there’s no doubt that ICX is the best hope at this
» point
» » for brining HM to the market in the near future. they’ve been late on
» their
» » timelines but i’m not aware of any “scams” as you’ve mentioned. at
» least
» » not by ICX.
» »
» » this isnt directed toward you, but i suspect this board is going to
» » continue to have more and more pessimists blast HM until phase II
» results
» » come out and even if it’s good news they’ll probably bitch about it
» being
» » no photos for them to pick apart and examine. when there’s good news
» the
» » pessimists are quiet, but when there’s a waiting period, they all come
» out
» » like a nasty cold sore and list everything negative reason from stocks
» to
» » Kemp’s choice of wardrobe of why HM wont come out hoping someone will
» » debate with them and prove them wrong so they can feel some kind of
» » temporary hope.
»
»
» Look, nobody would be more thrilled that HM becomes a reality than most of
» us board members who sure can use it if it works. Why would we be so
» skeptical if we thought it is coming in the near future. I would be more
» than happy to be proved wrong in Sept, but my prediction is, if the
» results are not forthcoming on that date, the apologists will step forward
» with a list of excuses.
»
» Which is still fine, But my take on the issue is, when it is FINISHED AND
» READY TO GO TO MARKET, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN USE IT
»
» I see no reason for all these…phase 1,2, 3 are taking
» place, its all just BS until its proven to work and at this point that is
» certainly not the case

11

go on prop, no thanks my regimen works GREAT on me
i dont need a scientific study i just look in the mirror

prop has side effects of loss of libido
natural dht blockers increase libido

» Hey Hangin,
»
» It’s fine to be skeptical, but you offer nothing productive/positive or
» even interesting in this forum. I’m skeptical about Intercytex, but that
» doesn’t mean I go about proclaiming it every second. And in Intercytex’s
» favor, they are the best-funded, most aggressive company to date pursuing
» hair multiplication. So there is reason to be optimistic.
»
» All the best,
» BB
»
» P.S. By the way there is absolutely ZERO scientific evidence that your
» nostrums work – and your sample of N=1 will not validate these supposed
» “DHT blockers”. If I were you I’d go on propecia right away, add some
» rogaine foam, and save up money for a realistic hairpiece (see
» www.toplace.com) or series of hair transplants.
»
» » » » I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however
» » being
» » » » that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan, a few
» » years
» » » » back, were touted on the board, and waited for with eager
» » anticipation,
» » » » and then produced NOTHING, why dont you guys at least have a
» healthy
» » » dose
» » » » of skepticism and a wait and see attitude towards the current
» » » » announcements in the media regarding HM. I am not saying that
» » » Intercytex
» » » » or whatever their name is, are not necessarily onto something,
» » however
» » » » thats what everyone thought about Bazan too, So what is the
» » difference?
» » » »
» » » » You have to admit that if HM does come out, it would certainly
» » » potentially
» » » » benefit everyone on the board including me. So I certainly have
» » nothing
» » » to
» » » » gain by my healthy dose of skepticism. It is just that with the few
» » » major
» » » » recent , in my opinion…Scams…Involving HM, I will
» » believe
» » » it
» » » » , When I see it.
» » » » I see no benefit to these companies, hyping their product before it
» » is
» » » » finished with the test results, as if it was already here.
» » »
» » » we all have skepticism, but there is no way you can compare Bazan or
» » Gho
» » » for that matter to a research group like ICX. just bringing Bazan’s
» » name
» » » up in the same sentence as HM makes me suspect you really are not
» that
» » » informed about where HM’s progress. Bazan and Gho had no money for
» this
» » » costly research and nowhere near the same resources. it’s apples to
» » » oranges comparison. neither of those guys made it to phase II (or
» » through
» » » phase I if i remember correctly). Bazan was a joke anyway, anybody
» that
» » » had faith in that probably wasnt too bright anyway.
» » »
» » » whatever you say, there’s no doubt that ICX is the best hope at this
» » point
» » » for brining HM to the market in the near future. they’ve been late on
» » their
» » » timelines but i’m not aware of any “scams” as you’ve mentioned. at
» » least
» » » not by ICX.
» » »
» » » this isnt directed toward you, but i suspect this board is going to
» » » continue to have more and more pessimists blast HM until phase II
» » results
» » » come out and even if it’s good news they’ll probably bitch about it
» » being
» » » no photos for them to pick apart and examine. when there’s good news
» » the
» » » pessimists are quiet, but when there’s a waiting period, they all
» come
» » out
» » » like a nasty cold sore and list everything negative reason from
» stocks
» » to
» » » Kemp’s choice of wardrobe of why HM wont come out hoping someone will
» » » debate with them and prove them wrong so they can feel some kind of
» » » temporary hope.
» »
» »
» » Look, nobody would be more thrilled that HM becomes a reality than most
» of
» » us board members who sure can use it if it works. Why would we be so
» » skeptical if we thought it is coming in the near future. I would be
» more
» » than happy to be proved wrong in Sept, but my prediction is, if the
» » results are not forthcoming on that date, the apologists will step
» forward
» » with a list of excuses.
» »
» » Which is still fine, But my take on the issue is, when it is FINISHED
» AND
» » READY TO GO TO MARKET, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN USE IT
» »
» » I see no reason for all these…phase 1,2, 3 are
» taking
» » place, its all just BS until its proven to work and at this point that
» is
» » certainly not the case

12

» » I understand the hopes and dreams of board members for HM, however being
» » that several large studies and tests , one being by Bazan,
»
» I don’t know how you can call Bazan’s work a “large study or test”. He
» never actually set up a formal testing program. He never released any
» information about how many patients were tested with HM. At most, it was
» a small handful of test patients. It may have even been zero test
» patients, because he never released any results. Within months after he
» started hyping various forms of “HM” on his website, he dramatically cut
» back publicity and not a word has been heard from him since. And as JB
» pointed out, he had zero funding.

Hmm I remember hearing him hyped several years ago on the HM forum then I am not sure what happened after that

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“go on prop, no thanks my regimen works GREAT on me”

If it works so “great”, then why are you here? Why do you critique HT patients when you know absolutely nothing about hair transplants and, obviously, don’t have the need for them? Why do you post on the HM forum if you think it is a pipe dream? Why do you post on the Topical Forum when you don’t use topicals? Please stop posting on Hairsite. Go outside and take in some of that “paradise” of “The Phills”? My guess is that you live in a basement apartment on the south side of Chicago - am I close?

Jtelecom

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“It is not that SP didn’t work–it is that it caused my very stable hair to fall out in droves. And it wasn’t shedding that would come back. It flat caused hairloss!”

JB:

I could not agree more. I have been saying this for YEARS and the morons on the Natural Forum think that I am nuts. Both SP and Beta-Sitosterol caused rapid, increased shedding in the few times that I have given both a try. I would read the glowing reports on the Natural Forum and think that maybe it was something else that was causing the shed. It WAS the SP! Natural-smatural - just because it is “natural”, it is not necessarily good for you. Crude oil is natural…

Jtelecom

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» “go on prop, no thanks my regimen works GREAT on me”
»
» If it works so “great”, then why are you here? Why do you critique HT
» patients when you know absolutely nothing about hair transplants and,
» obviously, don’t have the need for them? Why do you post on the HM forum
» if you think it is a pipe dream? Why do you post on the Topical Forum when
» you don’t use topicals? Please stop posting on Hairsite. Go outside and
» take in some of that “paradise” of “The Phills”? My guess is that you live
» in a basement apartment on the south side of Chicago - am I close?
»
» Jtelecom

i dont post on the topical forum

I post on any forum because I want to
if you dont like my posts why do you click on them? that seems a bit dense dont you think

perhaps you just need a little excitement in your hum drum life and I supply that, glad to be of help:-D :smiley:

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» I see no reason for all these…phase 1,2, 3 are taking
» place, its all just BS until its proven to work and at this point that is
» certainly not the case

the flip side of that coin is that it hasnt been proven to NOT WORK either and there IS a need for the phases. this lets you know if HM is safe and just as importantly if it actually works and how well it worked on humans. if you would rather them release HM without testing and just a bunch of marketing then who’s that going to help? based on the phase II results you can make your own mind up from there if it’s even worth persuing. the big hype is that no other company has made it to phase II so you have to understand why people are excited or at least hopeful this time around. screw everything about HM from the past before ICX and Aderans came into play. it’s a new ball game.

to say that HM wont work or that it is not coming out anytime soon is ignorant because what factual data can anyone base that on??? they’re testing people as we speak and THEY HAVEN’T RELEASED ANY RESULTS YET so how can anybody outisde of ICX know how long it’ll take to release or if it works???

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Good point Hanging. Let’s also not forget that they’ve never promised that HM will grow a full head of hair for everyone. If it does come out, who knows it may be just another treatment that is only slightly more effective than Propecia and Rogaine. I ve seen before the hype surrounding Avodart when everybody thought it was the magic bullet and now nobody even talks about that anymore.

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It’s interesting Hangin’ that we can read the same basic stuff relative to HM and you think it is “pie in the sky” and I honestly feel it is coming.

I have no idea when that day will arrive, however, I do believe it is coming. I believe it very much. (You know I felt the patent filing by Aderans, for their scaffolding, was/is a VERY important indicator that a new type of hair growth treatment is coming.)

The guys do make a good point when you compared current researchers to Bazan. They are light years apart in their abilities and resources IMHO.

I’m as cynical as you can get because I grew up in the snake oil era. However, I honestly believe HM is coming and it will be the most effective treatment for MPB that the world has ever known.

Believe me Hangin’, I DO understand your skepticism(sp?) but I honestly think you are wrong on this one. (“Think” being the key word. :slight_smile: )

In fact, in the future, I honestly believe people will have a choice of the Aderans type of regrowth treatment and/or the Intercytex type of regrowth treatment.

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A couple of weeks ago I’d run out of work to do and the boss was away so I spent an hour or two browsing around the archives of the old forum (I’ve only been here for a year or so) as I wanted to check what it was like ‘back in the day’. And, in all honesty, I was rather surprised at how thin on the ground actual honest information was. There was the ususual speculation and a lot of what I consider to be unsubstantiated claims by various researchers, and since there was nothing else happening people jumped on doctors like Gho and hyped him to the skies (which he didn’t really seem to discourage), when if you looked at it empirically there wasn’t exactly a whole lot of actual data to back this up.

When looking over the last year or sos posts the most immediate contrast from Ye Olden Days of HM is the amount of OFFICIAL, verifiable announcements. Governement grants, regulatory developments (not specfically for HM of course), announcement of Phase 2. Now I’m not, (REPEAT NOT!) assuming that this will mean that we will all be getting HM next week, but only a sour headed pessimist would claim there has been no progress and it’s a big scam. Give it a go yourself.

Since I’m an empiricist I only consider official announcements by medical authorities or ICX itself to be legit info, I don’t pay any attention whatsoever to all the self proclaimed experts. In fact I’m considering of collating all this information together to act as some kind of knowledge database as I often find myself searching for an old document I read when I read some of the wild claims seen on this forum.

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Cockneyninja, if you have the time, interest, and are able to do so, making the database you mentioned of ‘official’ HM information would be a very valuable source of info. I think it would help a lot of people (myself included) understand the history/progress & nuts & bolts of HM. Right now I agree, it’s difficult to obtain this information without that kind of organization. That would be great!

…It would also help make the conversations here much more substantive.