I agree, Dr. Jones would be the perfect doctor to verify Gho’s technique. Do you guys have a line into Dr. Jones? I can email him but I have not had contact with him at all.
» I agree, Dr. Jones would be the perfect doctor to verify Gho’s technique.
» Do you guys have a line into Dr. Jones? I can email him but I have not had
» contact with him at all.
I think both Dr. A and Dr. Jones are the best, if you read the posts in the hair transplant forum, you will know that Dr. A is by far the most genuine and sincere and he interacts with us all the time in the forum. Dr. Jones is good too because his track record with Acell and PRP experiments.
I have never contacted Dr. Jones.
humm, I am now reading Gho’s article again. He specifies the ingredients of the the preservative medium, but he doesn’t specify the quantities of each ingredient. Correct me if I am wrong, but without the proportions of the ingredients, there is no way the preservative medium can be replicated.
quote article:
Suitable longitudinal partial follicular units
(Figure 3B1) were visually selected (Table I, column
d) and stored in the preservative medium for 2 hours
until implantation. The medium is composed of the
following ingredients: sodium chloride, potassium
chloride, magnesium sulphate, sodium phosphate, calcium
chloride, glucose, sodium bicarbonate, sodium
lactate, sodium pyruvate, human serum albumin,
insulin, bis(maltolato)oxovanadium (BMOV) and
a-tocopherol (vitamin E) (Hair Science Institute).
<<<<<<<<<<
» » I agree, Dr. Jones would be the perfect doctor to verify Gho’s
» technique.
» » Do you guys have a line into Dr. Jones? I can email him but I have not
» had
» » contact with him at all.
»
» I think both Dr. A and Dr. Jones are the best, if you read the posts in
» the hair transplant forum, you will know that Dr. A is by far the most
» genuine and sincere and he interacts with us all the time in the forum.
» Dr. Jones is good too because his track record with Acell and PRP
» experiments.
» I have never contacted Dr. Jones.
»
» humm, I am now reading Gho’s article again. He specifies the ingredients
» of the the preservative medium, but he doesn’t specify the quantities of
» each ingredient. Correct me if I am wrong, but without the proportions of
» the ingredients, there is no way the preservative medium can be
» replicated.
»
» quote article:
» >>>>>
» Suitable longitudinal partial follicular units
» (Figure 3B1) were visually selected (Table I, column
» d) and stored in the preservative medium for 2 hours
» until implantation. The medium is composed of the
» following ingredients: sodium chloride, potassium
» chloride, magnesium sulphate, sodium phosphate, calcium
» chloride, glucose, sodium bicarbonate, sodium
» lactate, sodium pyruvate, human serum albumin,
» insulin, bis(maltolato)oxovanadium (BMOV) and
» a-tocopherol (vitamin E) (Hair Science Institute).
» <<<<<<<<<<
»
Hey Spanish Dude, how about Acell, what if we ask Jones to try dipping the grafts in Acell? He had used Acell before anyway so this will be an easy experiment for him.
» Iron Man, your posts are like those of a salesman for Gho.
» This pattern is also noticeable in James Bond, but in your case it is just
» too much.
I stick to the science. Currently, the available peer-reviewed literature weighs heavily in Gho’s favor.
Aside from that, ARI is looking extremely interesting these days.
Stick to the science. It’s the only way to see through the BS. 
» With all due respect JB, all of those retraction statements seem…
» similar. Too similar.
»
» I am beginning to think that these doctors might have made these
» statements to avoid legal confrontation, if for no other reason.
»
» Why else would they all say something to the effect of: “HSI owns this
» amazing technology and I do not have a license to use it.” Sounds
» lawyer-ish to me.
Of course it’s lawyerish. But if their claims that donor regrowth is impossible are true, and they believe with full conviction they are scientifically supportable, why would they recant? Perhaps because an unbiased and independent research study performed in 2004 proved an average of 76% of lower thirds follicles regenerate when left in the scalp?
» By the way, if there is a huge body of evidence that supports the
» technique… where is it?
Read the studies. It’s all there. No matter how many times I explain it and cite studies, the skeptics mysteriously forget about and make the same clueless claims against it. It’s about time the skeptics post some peer-reviewed studies that support their claims.
Note how not one scientist who seriously studies HM has questioned the validity of Gho’s claims or his published studies. The only people who criticize him are those who haven’t got the faintest clue about the science involved.
» humm, I am now reading Gho’s article again. He specifies the ingredients
» of the the preservative medium, but he doesn’t specify the quantities of
» each ingredient. Correct me if I am wrong, but without the proportions of
» the ingredients, there is no way the preservative medium can be
» replicated.
There is some truth in that, but it’s not completely true. There are standardized DP cell-growth mediums out there that can be used as a basis for experimentation.
Also, simply taking 10 FU’s each from 5 patients would be enough to prove whether the donor regrowth claims are accurate. Once a doctor sees the donor regrowth, he is likely to contact Gho directly and inquire about partnering or licensing. Any doctor who would not attempt to provide this to his patients if they knew it works would not be very ethical IMO. Unless Gho tries to massively gouch the clinic for licensing or places too strict of rules on offering the procedure, of course.
That is Hitzig-Cooley claim. That soaking plucked hairs with Acell, they can obtain functional follicles. I don’t know if Jones still has some Acell powder remaining. Maybe it has expired.
And remember Acell said that Jones’ experiment failed because he didn’t follow Acell instructions. IMO this is a total untruth. Jones followed all the instructions from the Acell representative, and he informed us about it in his blog. I guess that Jones-Acell relations are broken. I doubt Acell will provide Jones with more powder for new experiments, and I doubt that Jones will accept any further Acell experiments.
» » I have never contacted Dr. Jones.
» »
» » humm, I am now reading Gho’s article again. He specifies the
» ingredients
» » of the the preservative medium, but he doesn’t specify the quantities
» of
» » each ingredient. Correct me if I am wrong, but without the proportions
» of
» » the ingredients, there is no way the preservative medium can be
» » replicated.
» »
» » quote article:
» » >>>>>
» » Suitable longitudinal partial follicular units
» » (Figure 3B1) were visually selected (Table I, column
» » d) and stored in the preservative medium for 2 hours
» » until implantation. The medium is composed of the
» » following ingredients: sodium chloride, potassium
» » chloride, magnesium sulphate, sodium phosphate, calcium
» » chloride, glucose, sodium bicarbonate, sodium
» » lactate, sodium pyruvate, human serum albumin,
» » insulin, bis(maltolato)oxovanadium (BMOV) and
» » a-tocopherol (vitamin E) (Hair Science Institute).
» » <<<<<<<<<<
» »
»
» Hey Spanish Dude, how about Acell, what if we ask Jones to try dipping the
» grafts in Acell? He had used Acell before anyway so this will be an easy
» experiment for him.
» There is some truth in that, but it’s not completely true. There are
» standardized DP cell-growth mediums out there that can be used as a basis
» for experimentation.
Well, lets suppose we have Dr. Jones to test the technique. Do you expect Jones to start trying different growth medias to see if it works? Hair transplant surgeons don’t have knowledge about growth medias. And what happens if Jones fails? Well, then Gho will claim that Jomnes failed because he didn’t use the correct media.
»
» Also, simply taking 10 FU’s each from 5 patients would be enough to prove
» whether the donor regrowth claims are accurate.
Unless the whole experiment is verified, it is useless to verify half of it.
It is easy to regrow the donor. It is easy to regrow the recipient. But it is very difficult or impossible to regrow both.
» Once a doctor sees the
» donor regrowth, he is likely to contact Gho directly and inquire about
» partnering or licensing.
LOL. Nice try.
» Any doctor who would not attempt to provide this
» to his patients if they knew it works would not be very ethical IMO. Unless
» Gho tries to massively gouch the clinic for licensing or places too strict
» of rules on offering the procedure, of course.
this is a political speech James Bond. An advertising from a salesman.
Let me see James Bond.
Gho has published an article in a peer-reviewed journal. But unless “peers” talk with Gho about licensing and partnering, they won’t be able to review the experiment?
No, this is not what we were waiting for.
» » There is some truth in that, but it’s not completely true. There are
» » standardized DP cell-growth mediums out there that can be used as a
» basis
» » for experimentation.
»
» Well, lets suppose we have Dr. Jones to test the technique. Do you expect
» Jones to start trying different growth medias to see if it works? Hair
» transplant surgeons don’t have knowledge about growth medias. And what
» happens if Jones fails? Well, then Gho will claim that Jomnes failed
» because he didn’t use the correct media.
»
»
» »
» » Also, simply taking 10 FU’s each from 5 patients would be enough to
» prove
» » whether the donor regrowth claims are accurate.
»
» Unless the whole experiment is verified, it is useless to verify half of
» it.
» It is easy to regrow the donor. It is easy to regrow the recipient. But it
» is very difficult or impossible to regrow both.
»
» » Once a doctor sees the
» » donor regrowth, he is likely to contact Gho directly and inquire about
» » partnering or licensing.
»
» LOL. Nice try.
»
» » Any doctor who would not attempt to provide this
» » to his patients if they knew it works would not be very ethical IMO.
» Unless
» » Gho tries to massively gouch the clinic for licensing or places too
» strict
» » of rules on offering the procedure, of course.
»
» this is a political speech James Bond. An advertising from a salesman.
»
» Let me see James Bond.
» Gho has published an article in a peer-reviewed journal. But unless
» “peers” talk with Gho about licensing and partnering, they won’t be able to
» review the experiment?
» No, this is not what we were waiting for.
I think the medium is not the most important, it helps but it is not the deciding factor as to whether both the donor and the recipient will regrow or not. The most important is to locate the optimal transection point where the stem cells are found so that either half of the transected follicle contains enough stem cells to regenerate. My 2 cents.
» Stick to the science. It’s the only way to see through the BS. 
… and e.g. in regard to HST, such an comment IS Bull****
» I think the medium is not the most important, it helps but it is not the
» deciding factor as to whether both the donor and the recipient will regrow
» or not. The most important is to locate the optimal transection point where
» the stem cells are found so that either half of the transected follicle
» contains enough stem cells to regenerate. My 2 cents.
… because he talks about FM.
BTW - THE medium IS important to get consistent results …
2003, October 15-19. 11th International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery Meeting, New York, USA.
To Multiply or not to Multiply, that’s the question. Coen G.Gho MD, H.A. Martino Neumann MD, PhD
Source: http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/ISHRS_abstract.pdf
EXCERPT
Hair multiplication
We have shown in several studies that follicular stem cells derived from plucked hair can be cultured. Hair
multiplication is a technique whereby cultured follicular stem cells derived from plucked hair from the occipital side of the head are used to regenerate new hairs in bald areas. Because the role of the connective tissue or extracellular matrix surrounding the epithelial portion of the hair follicle is very important for the survival of the implanted cells, we implant the cultured cells into hair follicles which remain in the recipient area.
Hey guys,
I’d like to add a few points to this discussion which i have been quietly following… eventhough i dont completely deny these claims, I too am yet a bit skeptical and i think there is good reason to be skeptical, namely:
-
James Bond is pleading to rely on “science” and “peer-reviewed papers”. However if look at recent historical developments you will see that frau*dulent scientists like (Jan H. Schön for instance, but there are countless more) had also published peer-reviewed papers… they were awarded prizes and teams all over the world worked hard to reproduce their results to no avail. Specially in a snake-oil selling industry like this one should always take special precautions when believing any break-through claims. This industry is all about making money off peoples misery and is really lacking in integrity.
-
If this procedure is possible why is it not spreading like wild-fire amongst hair transplant surgeons? It doesn’t pose a threat to their business in the least. It in fact promotes selling their current technique with modifications at higher prices, with less side effects… every HT surgeon should be pouncing on this.
-
Gho has yet to present the ultimate proof, namely a NW7 to NW1 transformation. Most would even be happy with a NW7 to NW3… but i have yet to see such a transformation. I am aware that this is not the best argument and doesnt “prove” anything at all but it defiantly would rid our minds of doubt. But ofcourse, even without having shown such a transformation his technique might still in fact be totally legitimate.
Nevertheless this is definitely something worth keeping an eye on… but i think we should neither blindly doubt nor trust Ghos claims just yet.
Apart from that i’m glad the discussion has taken on a more civil tone, really makes following this board a lot more pleasant and substantiated.
as far as we have discussed in this forum, the growth medium is mandatory to get the grafts to grow on the recipient site.
» » » There is some truth in that, but it’s not completely true. There are
» » » standardized DP cell-growth mediums out there that can be used as a
» » basis
» » » for experimentation.
» »
» » Well, lets suppose we have Dr. Jones to test the technique. Do you
» expect
» » Jones to start trying different growth medias to see if it works? Hair
» » transplant surgeons don’t have knowledge about growth medias. And what
» » happens if Jones fails? Well, then Gho will claim that Jomnes failed
» » because he didn’t use the correct media.
» »
» »
» » »
» » » Also, simply taking 10 FU’s each from 5 patients would be enough to
» » prove
» » » whether the donor regrowth claims are accurate.
» »
» » Unless the whole experiment is verified, it is useless to verify half
» of
» » it.
» » It is easy to regrow the donor. It is easy to regrow the recipient. But
» it
» » is very difficult or impossible to regrow both.
» »
» » » Once a doctor sees the
» » » donor regrowth, he is likely to contact Gho directly and inquire
» about
» » » partnering or licensing.
» »
» » LOL. Nice try.
» »
» » » Any doctor who would not attempt to provide this
» » » to his patients if they knew it works would not be very ethical IMO.
» » Unless
» » » Gho tries to massively gouch the clinic for licensing or places too
» » strict
» » » of rules on offering the procedure, of course.
» »
» » this is a political speech James Bond. An advertising from a salesman.
» »
» » Let me see James Bond.
» » Gho has published an article in a peer-reviewed journal. But unless
» » “peers” talk with Gho about licensing and partnering, they won’t be able
» to
» » review the experiment?
» » No, this is not what we were waiting for.
»
» I think the medium is not the most important, it helps but it is not the
» deciding factor as to whether both the donor and the recipient will regrow
» or not. The most important is to locate the optimal transection point where
» the stem cells are found so that either half of the transected follicle
» contains enough stem cells to regenerate. My 2 cents.
» as far as we have discussed in this forum, the growth medium is mandatory
» to get the grafts to grow on the recipient site.
»
this makes me suspicious of the whole thing, I thought the idea is to use stem cells to regenrate hair, now Gho is saying that some magical growth medium is the key? Can we just apply some to our scalp and see if our hair grows thicker?
» Let me see James Bond.
» Gho has published an article in a peer-reviewed journal. But unless
» “peers” talk with Gho about licensing and partnering, they won’t be able to
» review the experiment?
» No, this is not what we were waiting for.
What you are personally waiting for is of no consequence to scientific advancement. Once again, science progresses by fully disclosing experimental outcomes in peer-reviewed journals. Other scientists read the journals and test the experimental outcomes to verify the claims.
As you have pointed out, Dr. Jones lacks the specialized knowledge to be able to prove the recipient regrowth aspect of the technique.
Therefore, the best he can do is duplicate the donor regrowth in order to sooth his own doubts prior to contacting Gho’s clinic and inquiring about being trained to fully perform the procedure in his own clinic.
OK, that’s pushing it. In truth, most HT doctors are not qualified to offer an opinion of Gho’s experimental outcomes. That being said, not all HT doctors are idiots. IMO, there are plenty of them that could figure out the recipient regrowth with minimal experimentation. I suspect this is well within Jone’s capability. However, it would require some effort. If it were super easy, we could do it ourselves in the comfort of our own home and save thousands. 
» BTW - THE medium IS important to get consistent results …
Of course the medium is the most important aspect of getting consistent regrowth in the recipient. Swinehart proved that soaking the grafts in saline solution prior to implantation led to low yield and thin hairs and led to a procedure that is not suitable for commercial application.
Gho’s breakthrough relies on two aspects not previously performed.
-
Leaving a piece of the follicle in the donor. Independent research has proven his claim true that this leads to a high yield of fully rejuvinated donor follicles.
-
Soaking the horizonatally transected grafts in a specialized medium. Swinehart showed that horizontally transectioning the follicle led to rejuvinated follicles. However, the yield was low, and the hairs often grew out thinner than the host. Gho has managed to circumvent these problems by kick-starting the transected follicles with well-known follicle cell growth boosters. The transected follicle cells send out amplified wound signals that call the stem cells into action to begin remodeling. The cell-growth medium provides the necessary signal energy to allow a full remodeling process to take place.
Despite what most macro tissue-oriented laymen believe, Gho’s claims are fully supported by a plethora of HM studies dating from the 1940’s to present. In fact, I suspect not a single skeptic of Gho’s latest publication has bothered to read the citations in full. If we weren’t the same species that burned upwards of 100,000 witches at the stake during the early modern period and believed the flat earth is the center of the universe up until recently, I might be surprised by that. As is, it’s par for the course.
» » Let me see James Bond.
» » Gho has published an article in a peer-reviewed journal. But unless
» » “peers” talk with Gho about licensing and partnering, they won’t be able
» to
» » review the experiment?
» » No, this is not what we were waiting for.
»
» What you are personally waiting for is of no consequence to scientific
» advancement. Once again, science progresses by fully disclosing
» experimental outcomes in peer-reviewed journals. Other scientists read the
» journals and test the experimental outcomes to verify the claims.
»
» As you have pointed out, Dr. Jones lacks the specialized knowledge to be
» able to prove the recipient regrowth aspect of the technique.
»
» Therefore, the best he can do is duplicate the donor regrowth in order to
» sooth his own doubts prior to contacting Gho’s clinic and inquiring about
» being trained to fully perform the procedure in his own clinic.
»
» OK, that’s pushing it. In truth, most HT doctors are not qualified to
» offer an opinion of Gho’s experimental outcomes. That being said, not all
» HT doctors are idiots. IMO, there are plenty of them that could figure out
» the recipient regrowth with minimal experimentation. I suspect this is well
» within Jone’s capability. However, it would require some effort. If it were
» super easy, we could do it ourselves in the comfort of our own home and
» save thousands.
James Bond for the last few years I’ve noticed your a big fan of Dr Gho’s have you had the procedure or are you willing to have the procedure,as you are the only one who obviously believes it all in a really big way,most of us are just dreaming,hanging on being hopefull!
» » BTW - THE medium IS important to get consistent results …
»
» Of course the medium is the most important aspect of getting consistent
» regrowth in the recipient. Swinehart proved that soaking the grafts in
» saline solution prior to implantation led to low yield and thin hairs and
» led to a procedure that is not suitable for commercial application.
»
» Gho’s breakthrough relies on two aspects not previously performed.
»
» 1) Leaving a piece of the follicle in the donor. Independent research has
» proven his claim true that this leads to a high yield of fully rejuvinated
» donor follicles.
»
» 2) Soaking the horizonatally transected grafts in a specialized medium.
» Swinehart showed that horizontally transectioning the follicle led to
» rejuvinated follicles. However, the yield was low, and the hairs often grew
» out thinner than the host. Gho has managed to circumvent these problems by
» kick-starting the transected follicles with well-known follicle cell growth
» boosters. The transected follicle cells send out amplified wound signals
» that call the stem cells into action to begin remodeling. The cell-growth
» medium provides the necessary signal energy to allow a full remodeling
» process to take place.
»
» Despite what most macro tissue-oriented laymen believe, Gho’s claims are
» fully supported by a plethora of HM studies dating from the 1940’s to
» present. In fact, I suspect not a single skeptic of Gho’s latest
» publication has bothered to read the citations in full. If we weren’t the
» same species that burned upwards of 100,000 witches at the stake during the
» early modern period and believed the flat earth is the center of the
» universe up until recently, I might be surprised by that. As is, it’s par
» for the course.
James Bond once again what a surprise,NOT.
Dr Gho as never shown any real evidence that his procedure works not now,not ever.Is website doesn’t show anything that a fue clinic can’t show.So forget about the medical studies,etc,how about showing simple evidence to the ordinary people,its as easy as that!
Dr. Arvind just posted this about Gho’s HST
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-67638-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html
forhair . com / News_Release /Hair_Multiplication-Dr._Cole_s_Research . htm