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#1

Dr. Woods paid $86 for the article, read his opinions on the Gho HST, very interesting

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-67172-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html


#2

Dr. Woods’ comment “is long, convoluted and denched with[OUT] scientific jargon” and prove of claims. “But here is a summary …”

» And how many hair did they show regrow from the approx 800 transplanted
» with a STATED 95.9% survival…ONE. You read correctly. One shaft. I repeat .
» ONE HAIR.
»

» They could only show ONE hair after 12 months. But wait, they did state
» most will grow out in 5 to 8 months. And word is they have been doing this
» technique for years !!
»
» And finally, the conclusion.
»
» “the weakness of the study is the limited number of patients……therefore a
» larger group of patients is necessary to study the REAL CLINICAL RELEVENCE
» of this technique “
»

» What Dr Gho says in this “peer reviewed journal” is diametrically opposed
» and contrary to everything I have observed seen and studied over the past
» 20 years, and I am not alone.
»
» Every guy who suffered permanent scalp shock and trauma simply because
» techs jabbed incisions too close to pre existing hair knows that this study
» is flawed
»
» To anyone seriously contemplating this treatment, please take this advice
»
» Pay $86 bucks, get the paper, and spend a long consultation with a
» credible non aligned, independent dermatologist to review this for you. It
» may be a good investment
»
» Dr Ray Woods

Approx 800 grafts transplanted?

Hmm, it seems Dr. Woods is unable to COUNT correctly:

I count 650 transplanted grafts in sum …

Besides that, about which crap Dr. Woods is talking here ??? :no:

» And how many hair did they show regrow from the approx 800 transplanted
» with a STATED 95.9% survival…ONE. You read correctly. One shaft. I repeat .
» ONE HAIR.
»

ONE HAIR???

Can YOU see here that just ONE HAIR has regrown???

… besides lots of other crap within his comment and “conlusion”.

Maybe this is one reason, because nobody responded him until today?
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-64988-page-2-category-2-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html :smiley:

p.s: On the other hand, Dr. Woods is absolutely right:

» I have found that only very few dont want to watch, but most guys want to
» know what is happening, especially when they enter the most unregulated,
» dishonest damaging oversold , hyped up and disreputable field of medicine
»
» I have introduced another level of ACCOUNTABILITY, and expect the shills
» are panicking on how to reply
»
» Dr Ray Woods

Source: http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-66973-page-0-category-2-order-last_answer.html

But the good part is, Dr. Woods’ sister (Dr. Woods-Campbell) is sweet … :love:


#3

And how do we all know for sure this is not just the result of just regular fue ht? Has gho had the reputation and results for many hst patients for many years? Answer is no. Sorry need to see many first.


#4

» And how do we all know for sure this is not just the result of just regular
» fue ht? Has gho had the reputation and results for many hst patients for
» many years? Answer is no. Sorry need to see many first.

If you’re “Dagobert Duck”, you’ll be able to see yourself with a full head of hair within the next few years. :expressionless:

If you understrand me in a correct way …


#5

Ironman, your math is very rusty

I referred to approx 800.

The actual number is 780

Go to the article and check for results.

You will see ONE hair they are studying. In fact, the photo is here on this thread. And it represents the only recipient result in the article

As far as the donor pictures, I find them ambiguous. Do they truly reveal that a true modern medicine miracle has occurred ??

As far as the complicated tables and numbers, get this

Someone had a digital micrometer and measured the shaft diameter of most of the regenerated follicles…Do you have any idea of how precise and time consuming that is…yet not one decent representative photo of growth was shown…you just got numbers in a table and schematic drawings

NOW, if someone is declaring the biggest multiplication event since Jesus did that thing with the fish and bread, you better provide some evidence apart from " text and tables"

I hope multiplication will become a reality, but is there enough evidence for it here? Make up your own minds and get independent medical opinions.

I am entitled to offer my opinion, which I have done, now you must look for results yourself.

Dr Ray Woods


#6

Dr. Woods, I am one of the biggest Gho-sceptic here, but I find your arguments pretty poor. Now I am beginning to understand why Gho has been able to survive all these years with his unproven techniques: because Gho is more intelligent than the HT doctors who attack him.
A few weeks ago, I tried to chat with bverotti on email, and I was ready to counsel him, but he chose to ignore my emails. You see? You guys are funny.

» Ironman, your math is very rusty
»
» I referred to approx 800.
»
» The actual number is 780

are you joking Dr. Woods? I think you should not sum the “mean” entry:

»
» Go to the article and check for results.
»
» You will see ONE hair they are studying. In fact, the photo is here on
» this thread. And it represents the only recipient result in the article
»
» As far as the donor pictures, I find them ambiguous. Do they truly reveal
» that a true modern medicine miracle has occurred ??
»
» As far as the complicated tables and numbers, get this
»
» Someone had a digital micrometer and measured the shaft diameter of most
» of the regenerated follicles…Do you have any idea of how precise and time
» consuming that is…yet not one decent representative photo of growth was
» shown…you just got numbers in a table and schematic drawings
»
» NOW, if someone is declaring the biggest multiplication event since Jesus
» did that thing with the fish and bread, you better provide some evidence
» apart from " text and tables"
»
» I hope multiplication will become a reality, but is there enough evidence
» for it here? Make up your own minds and get independent medical opinions.
»
»
» I am entitled to offer my opinion, which I have done, now you must look
» for results yourself.
»
» Dr Ray Woods


#7

I have to agree with SD, I was disappointed with Dr. Woods analysis, I wish there were more depth to his analysis, he dismissed the whole thing the moment he read that it was about transected follicles, there’s more to it , I am not a doctor and even I know that.


#8

» I have to agree with SD, I was disappointed with Dr. Woods analysis, I wish
» there were more depth to his analysis, he dismissed the whole thing the
» moment he read that it was about transected follicles, there’s more to it ,
» I am not a doctor and even I know that.

I’ve got absolutely no idea of the science involved so it would be wrong for me to dismiss or champion the research he has completed. I desperately want it to be true. I have to say though i agree with people when they say we need to see results. If it is carried out over 5 or 10 cases and results are good then that is the only testament needed, so i’m hopeful that maybe that will become the case soon.


#9

» » I have to agree with SD, I was disappointed with Dr. Woods analysis, I
» wish
» » there were more depth to his analysis, he dismissed the whole thing the
» » moment he read that it was about transected follicles, there’s more to
» it ,
» » I am not a doctor and even I know that.
»
» I’ve got absolutely no idea of the science involved so it would be wrong
» for me to dismiss or champion the research he has completed. I desperately
» want it to be true. I have to say though i agree with people when they say
» we need to see results. If it is carried out over 5 or 10 cases and results
» are good then that is the only testament needed, so i’m hopeful that maybe
» that will become the case soon.

We need other doctors to experiment for us, Dr. Gho is working at snail pace!


#10

In my opinion, Dr. Gho has misled hair loss sufferers in the past, he has no credibility. If he has developed a way to get two follicles out of one follicle, where’s the photographic proof?


#11

» In my opinion, Dr. Gho has misled hair loss sufferers in the past, he has
» no credibility. If he has developed a way to get two follicles out of one
» follicle, where’s the photographic proof?

Agreed. Just need some documentation and photographic evidence or better still some detailed case studies of both donor regeneration and successful hair in the recipient area also


#12

Hi everybody,
i am new here and my english is not very good but i’ll try I went back in dec 2008 for an consult with dr Gho and dr Gho has admitted to me that he can not give me a full head of hair, he even told me its impossible, because he can not copy mother nature he said. This were his own words p.s I am from Holland.


#13

hello nederlander, welcome to the forum. Could you give us more details? We are very suspicious of new members because many times are false newcomers.

Anyway, could you hep me to translate from dutch in this thread?
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-67229-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

I don’t need a word-by word translation. Its enough if you understand the content of the first posts, to see if Joling got a transplant from TransHair and or Laser Aesthetic, years ago, and very important, if Joling advertised happily these hair transplants.

» Hi everybody,
» i am new here and my english is not very good but i’ll try I went back in
» dec 2008 for an consult with dr Gho and dr Gho has admitted to me that he
» can not give me a full head of hair, he even told me its impossible,
» because he can not copy mother nature he said. This were his own words p.s
» I am from Holland.


#14

» hello nederlander, welcome to the forum. Could you give us more details? We
» are very suspicious of new members because many times are false newcomers.
» everything i tell about gho is the same he will tell you if you go for a consult with him.
» Anyway, could you hep me to translate from dutch in this thread?
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-67229-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
»
» I don’t need a word-by word translation. Its enough if you understand the
» content of the first posts, to see if Joling got a transplant from
» TransHair and or Laser Aesthetic, years ago, and very important, if Joling
» advertised happily these hair transplants.
»
» Gerard Joling has had a transplantation from both cinics and advertised for both clinics. It’s weird i know.»
»
» » Hi everybody,
» » i am new here and my english is not very good but i’ll try I went back
» in
» » dec 2008 for an consult with dr Gho and dr Gho has admitted to me that
» he
» » can not give me a full head of hair, he even told me its impossible,
» » because he can not copy mother nature he said. This were his own words
» p.s
» » I am from Holland.


#15

» You will see ONE hair they are studying. In fact, the photo is here on
» this thread. And it represents the only recipient result in the article

What good would having posted a fully regrown recipient area photo have done. You don’t even believe the very well marked and photographed donor photos where you can clearly see the pigmentation color change resulting from the needle extraction. Out of these marks, new hair is growing.

I replied to your post in the hair transplant forum and linked a study that seriously brings into question your allegations about the regeneration of transected follicles left in the donor area. You of all people should know better than to dismiss the observation of Max Planck on the progression of science.

“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it”…Max Planck

You have dismissed this research without so much as lifting a finger in an attempt to reproduce the result. That demonstrates bias to pre-conceived ideals learned yesteryear. Dr. Gho fully documented and revealed his technique in depth. No details have been left out or purposely hidden that would prevent a researcher with average skills from reproducing the results. After-all, that is the purpose of publishing.

Dr. Gho has labored for years to perfect this technique. He has fully revealed the technique. The rest is up to the hair restoration community at large.


#16

» » You will see ONE hair they are studying. In fact, the photo is here on
» » this thread. And it represents the only recipient result in the article
»
» What good would having posted a fully regrown recipient area photo have
» done. You don’t even believe the very well marked and photographed donor
» photos where you can clearly see the pigmentation color change resulting
» from the needle extraction. Out of these marks, new hair is growing.
»
» I replied to your post in the hair transplant forum and linked a study
» that seriously brings into question your allegations about the regeneration
» of transected follicles left in the donor area. You of all people should
» know better than to dismiss the observation of Max Planck on the
» progression of science.
»
» “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and
» making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die,
» and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it”…Max Planck
»
» You have dismissed this research without so much as lifting a finger in an
» attempt to reproduce the result. That demonstrates bias to pre-conceived
» ideals learned yesteryear. Dr. Gho fully documented and revealed his
» technique in depth. No details have been left out or purposely hidden that
» would prevent a researcher with average skills from reproducing the
» results. After-all, that is the purpose of publishing.
»
» Dr. Gho has labored for years to perfect this technique. He has fully
» revealed the technique. The rest is up to the hair restoration community at
» large.
»
»

Yeah ok but why is GHO stating " No full head of hair" ? Why? If his technique works there should be no problem to get a full head of hair ^^:-D


#17

Hello again NLander. I am sorry if I sounded harsh, but it is very easy to register with a new name and post things to support certain views. It has happened before, persons posting under several different names.

So Gho rejected you because you were too bald?
how bald are you in the Norwood scale? (google for “Norwood scale” and you will see the depiction of each grade).
We will try to find more people like you, i.e., rejected by Gho “because they were too bald”.

Regarding Gerard Joling, it seems that Joling advertises every hair transplant that he gets. He probably does it for money or free transplants. In this case, he would be no reliable witness. We should have in mind what Syrup said about hair transplants (syrup is a forum member and HT veteran):

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-64919-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

Surgery is an expensive business and people will sell there souls for free grafts.
Often the pictures you see look a lot better and will resemble nothing like the work in real life.
You see a good result on the internet looking full then 6 months later you see they are having another 3000 grafts.
Meet a few patients and you will see.
Graft counts are also wrong there have been cases showing 1000 grafts when really the guy had 2500. The doctor can throw the extra 1500 in providing he agrees to put pictures up and say nothing after all he only paid for 1000. The hair transplant business is a very corrupt and shady business everyone who has some experience in it knows it.
<<<<<<<<<

Nederlander, are you sure Joling got transplants from both clinics (TransHair and Laser Aesthetics)?

» » hello nederlander, welcome to the forum. Could you give us more details?
» We
» » are very suspicious of new members because many times are false
» newcomers.
» » everything i tell about gho is the same he will tell you if
» you go for a consult with him.
» » Anyway, could you hep me to translate from dutch in this thread?
» »
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-67229-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html
» »
» » I don’t need a word-by word translation. Its enough if you understand
» the
» » content of the first posts, to see if Joling got a transplant from
» » TransHair and or Laser Aesthetic, years ago, and very important, if
» Joling
» » advertised happily these hair transplants.
» »
» » Gerard Joling has had a transplantation from both cinics and
» advertised for both clinics. It’s weird i know.»
» »
» » » Hi everybody,
» » » i am new here and my english is not very good but i’ll try I went
» back
» » in
» » » dec 2008 for an consult with dr Gho and dr Gho has admitted to me
» that
» » he
» » » can not give me a full head of hair, he even told me its impossible,
» » » because he can not copy mother nature he said. This were his own
» words
» » p.s
» » » I am from Holland.


#18

» Yeah ok but why is GHO stating " No full head of hair" ? Why? If his
» technique works there should be no problem to get a full head of hair ^^:-D

Only time will tell. But one thing is for certain, if these other HT surgeons continue to attack without lifting a finger to attempt to reproduce the results, it will take a very long time.

Keep in mind, Gho’s procedure requires about a year for the donor to heal (as shown in Dr. Kim’s follicle transection regrowth studies). Since he can only move a limited number of grafts per year, the best case scenario for restoring a NW7 is probably 5-7 years of successive treatments.

IMO, HST is most suitable for patients with limited balding who want to maintain a full head of hair as the years progress. But if a really bald guy wants to hang in there long enough, Gho’s website clearly states that he’ll treat any patient with male pattern baldness. Patients with other forms of baldness are unsuitable for the treatment for the same reasons they are unsuitable for standard HT–the lost hair eventually grows back, so you don’t want to put new grafts in the temporary bald patches.


#19

» So Gho rejected you because you were too bald?
» how bald are you in the Norwood scale? (google for “Norwood scale” and you
» will see the depiction of each grade).
» We will try to find more people like you, i.e., rejected by Gho “because
» they were too bald”.

That’s quite interesting considering Bverotti claimed Gho recently put 1600 (?) grafts on a NW7. In addition, there was a poster on hairsite years ago who fully documented his transplant with Gho. He was a very high NW level, and Gho moved a limited number of grafts to his hairline. Considering the limited number of grafts moved, it actually looked pretty good.

Keep in mind, the donor requires time to heal, so Gho can only move a limited number of grafts per year. For those patients who believe a NW 7 can get a full restoration in less than 5-7 years of treatments, you really need to re-read what this procedure actually is.

Gho’s front page of his website specifically states:

"The unique advantages of the HTS method are

* Guaranteed regrowth in the donor area
* Absolutely no scarring. Not just "no visible scarring," this means no scarring at all!
* Treatment and anaesthesia are completely painless
* Recovery of donor area: within two days
* Recovery of receptor area: within five to seven days
* Completely natural result
* No cutting, no stitches: HST is a treatment, not a surgical procedure!
* Suitable for both men and women, young and old
* Because donor area is preserved, follow-up treatments are possible
* Our specially developed liquid ensures that the grafts are replaced in optimum condition"

If you look in the FAQ section you will find:

"Can anyone be treated with the HST method?

Yes, HST can be used to treat anyone. You can meet with one of our doctors for a free, no-obligation consultation to discuss what HST can mean for you. In a very few situations (such as Alopecia Areata), we cannot recommend the procedure."

»
» Regarding Gerard Joling, it seems that Joling advertises every hair
» transplant that he gets. He probably does it for money or free transplants.
» In this case, he would be no reliable witness. We should have in mind what
» Syrup said about hair transplants (syrup is a forum member and HT
» veteran):

Well, keep in mind the poster I mentioned above who was completely bald and fully documented his procedure on hairsite. He was very happy with the result. As far as Joling adverstising every hair transplant he ever gets, that doesn’t explain why he has spent so many years hiding under a rug, only to ditch the rug after HST.

I expect all kinds of new posters to show up from Holland with wild claims about how Gho’s technique doesn’t work. IMO, it is important to stick with the peer-reviewed literature and have open-minded passionate researchers attempt to duplicate the results. Everything else, at this point, is hearsay.


#20

Joling is a puppet. We don’t even have a decent “before photo”.
I think he claimed that his donor regrew, but we don’t have close photos of his donor either.
If he wants to advertise for Gho, its ok, but why his case was not correctly documented? Instead, we have sensationalist videos of Joling shaking hands with Gho, etc…

» That’s quite interesting considering Bverotti claimed Gho recently put
» 1600 (?) grafts on a NW7.

It was a NW6. I assume you know this because of my post here:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-66338-page-0-category-1-order-last_answer.html

bverotti claimed that Gho rejected NW6-7 patients, and then I posted a former message by bverotti, where he said Gho treated a NW6 with 1600 grafts.
bverotti never replied to explain his contradiction. In fact, bverotti never reply to my messages here at hairsite. I wonder why.

» In addition, there was a poster on hairsite years
» ago who fully documented his transplant with Gho. He was a very high NW
» level, and Gho moved a limited number of grafts to his hairline.
» Considering the limited number of grafts moved, it actually looked pretty
» good.

link?

» Keep in mind, the donor requires time to heal, so Gho can only move a
» limited number of grafts per year. For those patients who believe a NW 7
» can get a full restoration in less than 5-7 years of treatments, you really
» need to re-read what this procedure actually is.

Bond, don’t try to justify Gho. On Nov-2005 Gho claimed 80% regeneration, so he has had 5 years to produce a full head of hair. Even if this took many years, why he is not even starting this attempt?

» Gho’s front page of his website specifically states:
»
»
» “The unique advantages of the HTS method are
»
» * Guaranteed regrowth in the donor area
» * Absolutely no scarring. Not just “no visible scarring,” this means
» no scarring at all!
» * Treatment and anaesthesia are completely painless
» * Recovery of donor area: within two days
» * Recovery of receptor area: within five to seven days
» * Completely natural result
» * No cutting, no stitches: HST is a treatment, not a surgical
» procedure!
» * Suitable for both men and women, young and old
» * Because donor area is preserved, follow-up treatments are possible
» * Our specially developed liquid ensures that the grafts are replaced
» in optimum condition”
»
» If you look in the FAQ section you will find:
»
» “Can anyone be treated with the HST method?
»
» Yes, HST can be used to treat anyone. You can meet with one of our
» doctors for a free, no-obligation consultation to discuss what HST can mean
» for you. In a very few situations (such as Alopecia Areata), we cannot
» recommend the procedure.”

Thanks for the advertising. I am not interested.

» » Regarding Gerard Joling, it seems that Joling advertises every hair
» » transplant that he gets. He probably does it for money or free
» transplants.
» » In this case, he would be no reliable witness. We should have in mind
» what
» » Syrup said about hair transplants (syrup is a forum member and HT
» » veteran):
»
» Well, keep in mind the poster I mentioned above who was completely bald
» and fully documented his procedure on hairsite. He was very happy with the
» result.

Link?

As far as Joling adverstising every hair transplant he ever gets,
» that doesn’t explain why he has spent so many years hiding under a rug,
» only to ditch the rug after HST.

So he was hiding under a rug, and 1500 grafts made the miracle?
Got a before photo? A good one?

» I expect all kinds of new posters to show up from Holland with wild claims
» about how Gho’s technique doesn’t work. IMO, it is important to stick with
» the peer-reviewed literature and have open-minded passionate researchers
» attempt to duplicate the results. Everything else, at this point, is
» hearsay.

Agreed.
Now other doctors can test the technique. Dr. Wood’s attitude and argumentation is really regretable.