so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on something that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a repair.
im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because like they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle inserting the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp and then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause damage at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a small acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis probe could do the trick alone.
i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
» so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged
» tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on something
» that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a repair.
»
» im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because like
» they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle inserting
» the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
»
» maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp and
» then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause damage
» at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a small
» acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis probe
» could do the trick alone.
»
» i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
How exactly would you try it? Do you work at a hospital? I’m sort of interested in the concept…
» » so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged
» » tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on
» something
» » that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a
» repair.
» »
» » im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because
» like
» » they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle
» inserting
» » the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
» »
» » maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp
» and
» » then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause
» damage
» » at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a small
» » acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis probe
» » could do the trick alone.
» »
» » i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
»
» How exactly would you try it? Do you work at a hospital? I’m sort of
» interested in the concept…
no i dont work in a hospital, but some people think i should be put in a white jacket and locked up in a hospital.
well i havent thought it through in any detail, its just an idea. i havent looked into the exact damage that electrolysis does to a hair follicle other than it damages the root. i dont know if this is the dermal papilla, or the bulge or both, who knows. either way they need to be damaged for acell to begin the repair or rebuild. so perhaps electrolysis to a hair at its base, perhaps another at the top near the bulge. again this is all trial and error. anyway this is the easy bit as its done everyday. the hard part is to know where the acell needs to be ? in the same location as where the elctrolysis probe was inserted or in the surrounds of the hair follicle ? this will be trial and error as well. the acell will need to be inserted in the follicle shaft or injected into the skin next to the follicle ? then is just a matter of wait and see.
the theory is how much damage to inflict to cause enough new cells to build a significant part of the follicle.
autocloning builds the entire outer portion of the follicle in the presence of acell. the bulge comes from the donor but the dermal papila is built at the recipient site. genetic behaviour of the follicle is still unknown.
» » » so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged
» » » tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on
» » something
» » » that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a
» » repair.
» » »
» » » im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because
» » like
» » » they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle
» » inserting
» » » the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
» » »
» » » maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp
» » and
» » » then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause
» » damage
» » » at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a
» small
» » » acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis
» probe
» » » could do the trick alone.
» » »
» » » i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
» »
» » How exactly would you try it? Do you work at a hospital? I’m sort of
» » interested in the concept…
»
» no i dont work in a hospital, but some people think i should be put in a
» white jacket and locked up in a hospital.
»
» well i havent thought it through in any detail, its just an idea. i havent
» looked into the exact damage that electrolysis does to a hair follicle
» other than it damages the root. i dont know if this is the dermal papilla,
» or the bulge or both, who knows. either way they need to be damaged for
» acell to begin the repair or rebuild. so perhaps electrolysis to a hair at
» its base, perhaps another at the top near the bulge. again this is all
» trial and error. anyway this is the easy bit as its done everyday. the hard
» part is to know where the acell needs to be ? in the same location as where
» the elctrolysis probe was inserted or in the surrounds of the hair follicle
» ? this will be trial and error as well. the acell will need to be inserted
» in the follicle shaft or injected into the skin next to the follicle ? then
» is just a matter of wait and see.
»
» the theory is how much damage to inflict to cause enough new cells to build
» a significant part of the follicle.
» autocloning builds the entire outer portion of the follicle in the presence
» of acell. the bulge comes from the donor but the dermal papila is built at
» the recipient site. genetic behaviour of the follicle is still unknown.
of course the hardest part is to get hold of some micronized acell
» » » » so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates
» damaged
» » » » tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on
» » » something
» » » » that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a
» » » repair.
» » » »
» » » » im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because
» » » like
» » » » they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle
» » » inserting
» » » » the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
» » » »
» » » » maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the
» scalp
» » » and
» » » » then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause
» » » damage
» » » » at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a
» » small
» » » » acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis
» » probe
» » » » could do the trick alone.
» » » »
» » » » i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
» » »
» » » How exactly would you try it? Do you work at a hospital? I’m sort of
» » » interested in the concept…
» »
» » no i dont work in a hospital, but some people think i should be put in a
» » white jacket and locked up in a hospital.
» »
» » well i havent thought it through in any detail, its just an idea. i
» havent
» » looked into the exact damage that electrolysis does to a hair follicle
» » other than it damages the root. i dont know if this is the dermal
» papilla,
» » or the bulge or both, who knows. either way they need to be damaged for
» » acell to begin the repair or rebuild. so perhaps electrolysis to a hair
» at
» » its base, perhaps another at the top near the bulge. again this is all
» » trial and error. anyway this is the easy bit as its done everyday. the
» hard
» » part is to know where the acell needs to be ? in the same location as
» where
» » the elctrolysis probe was inserted or in the surrounds of the hair
» follicle
» » ? this will be trial and error as well. the acell will need to be
» inserted
» » in the follicle shaft or injected into the skin next to the follicle ?
» then
» » is just a matter of wait and see.
» »
» » the theory is how much damage to inflict to cause enough new cells to
» build
» » a significant part of the follicle.
» » autocloning builds the entire outer portion of the follicle in the
» presence
» » of acell. the bulge comes from the donor but the dermal papila is built
» at
» » the recipient site. genetic behaviour of the follicle is still unknown.
»
» of course the hardest part is to get hold of some micronized acell
This is actually not a bad idea in theory.
Maybe Cooley or Hitzig could try it out in conjunction with someone who does electrolysis.
if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how about paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr. Greco in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own cells instead of Acell.
The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
» if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how about
» paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr. Greco
» in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own cells
» instead of Acell.
»
» The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
» » if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how
» about
» » paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr.
» Greco
» » in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own
» cells
» » instead of Acell.
» »
» » The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
»
» Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
»
» Electrolysis destroys hair follicles.
»
» So unfortunately it wouldn’t work.
Damaging follicles work but destoying them is with all due respect Insane. Cause dead as in dead like coffin and buried follicles wont unfortunately never come back to life.
I mean really dead not only damaged or tiny or whatsoever
» so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged
» tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on something
» that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a repair.
»
» im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because like
» they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle inserting
» the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
»
» maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp and
» then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause damage
» at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a small
» acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis probe
» could do the trick alone.
»
» i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
I don’t think electrolysis would add anything to the situation. it would repair the damage done by the electrolysis is all but that damage is not hair loss.
I’m also concerned about the fact that Acell works by “repair” and hair loss does not seem like a situation that is “damage” so how can it need repair. But then again, what if hair loss does constitute damage? What if whatever happens that causes a hair to be lost is damage and so it therefore can be “repaired?” That is the 64,000 question.
» I’m also concerned about the fact that Acell works by “repair” and hair
» loss does not seem like a situation that is “damage” so how can it need
» repair.
Hitzig said on Kobren’s show Sunday, that when he injects ACell and PRP solution, he uses the needle to damage the follicle during the injections.
» Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
I don’t know what micro needling is.
But Hitzig said on Kobren’s show Sunday, that a dermaroller doesn’t go deeply enough to damage hair follicles, which are well below the surface of the skin.
» » I’m also concerned about the fact that Acell works by “repair” and hair
» » loss does not seem like a situation that is “damage” so how can it need
» » repair.
»
» Hitzig said on Kobren’s show Sunday, that when he injects ACell and PRP
» solution, he uses the needle to damage the follicle during the injections.
OK, and I think that you have a point when you say that Acell works by “repairing” tissue. It seems like that would mean that Acell would only “repair” the hair follicles to the point of getting the hair follicles back to the point where they were before Dr. Hitzig damaged them with the needles. So how is Acell growing any hair at all, unless hair loss is “damage” to the body rather than just a biological process one should expect with aging? It seems that if Acell does grow hair then that has to mean that the underlying dynamics of hair loss is that whatever is happening to make hair stop growing is “damage.”
Do you see hiar loss as damage or just sort of fate/aging prociess?
» » » » » so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates
» » damaged
» » » » » tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on
» » » » something
» » » » » that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a
» » » » repair.
» » » » »
» » » » » im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much
» because
» » » » like
» » » » » they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle
» » » » inserting
» » » » » the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue
» regeneration.
» » » » »
» » » » » maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the
» » scalp
» » » » and
» » » » » then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to
» cause
» » » » damage
» » » » » at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a
» » » small
» » » » » acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis
» » » probe
» » » » » could do the trick alone.
» » » » »
» » » » » i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
» » » »
» » » » How exactly would you try it? Do you work at a hospital? I’m sort
» of
» » » » interested in the concept…
» » »
» » » no i dont work in a hospital, but some people think i should be put in
» a
» » » white jacket and locked up in a hospital.
» » »
» » » well i havent thought it through in any detail, its just an idea. i
» » havent
» » » looked into the exact damage that electrolysis does to a hair follicle
» » » other than it damages the root. i dont know if this is the dermal
» » papilla,
» » » or the bulge or both, who knows. either way they need to be damaged
» for
» » » acell to begin the repair or rebuild. so perhaps electrolysis to a
» hair
» » at
» » » its base, perhaps another at the top near the bulge. again this is all
» » » trial and error. anyway this is the easy bit as its done everyday. the
» » hard
» » » part is to know where the acell needs to be ? in the same location as
» » where
» » » the elctrolysis probe was inserted or in the surrounds of the hair
» » follicle
» » » ? this will be trial and error as well. the acell will need to be
» » inserted
» » » in the follicle shaft or injected into the skin next to the follicle ?
» » then
» » » is just a matter of wait and see.
» » »
» » » the theory is how much damage to inflict to cause enough new cells to
» » build
» » » a significant part of the follicle.
» » » autocloning builds the entire outer portion of the follicle in the
» » presence
» » » of acell. the bulge comes from the donor but the dermal papila is
» built
» » at
» » » the recipient site. genetic behaviour of the follicle is still
» unknown.
» »
» » of course the hardest part is to get hold of some micronized acell
»
»
» This is actually not a bad idea in theory.
»
» Maybe Cooley or Hitzig could try it out in conjunction with someone who
» does electrolysis.
im sure the Doctors get enough ideas from crazies and mad scientist, probably dont need another. anyway im still not convinced it has any merit until i do further reading
» » Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
»
» I don’t know what micro needling is.
»
» But Hitzig said on Kobren’s show Sunday, that a dermaroller doesn’t go
» deeply enough to damage hair follicles, which are well below the surface of
» the skin.
i agree dermaroller type needling does not go deeper than 1mm, not even enough to tickle the follicle. i think he was referring to the actual needle that is doing the injection of PRP/Acell which goes much deeper. still it would be just through luck that one would prick the follicle at the same time
» if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how about
» paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr. Greco
» in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own cells
» instead of Acell.
»
» The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
dermaroller only goes down 1mm, enough to cause cells to the site to repair the tissue, does nothing for rebuilding a damaged follicle
» » if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how
» about
» » paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr.
» Greco
» » in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own
» cells
» » instead of Acell.
» »
» » The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
»
» Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
»
» Electrolysis destroys hair follicles.
»
» So unfortunately it wouldn’t work.
Not necessarily, it all depends on the current used. even then hair follicles are very stubborn. i had electrolysis done to get rid of some unwanted hair and these didnt die without a fight.
anyway im trying to understand the effect of electrolysis on the hair follicle, unfortunately i can not get my hands on this document. if anyone can help it would be much appreciated
Kligman AM, Peters L. Histologic changes of human hair follicles after electrolysis:a comparison of 2 methods. Cutis. 1984;34:169-176.
» » » if you have any faith in PRP alone (minus the Acell pixie dust) how
» » about
» » » paying a visit to Dr. Greco in Florida or Dr. Choi in Vancouver. Dr.
» » Greco
» » » in particular is using his own special matrix derived from your own
» » cells
» » » instead of Acell.
» » »
» » » The hair follicles are traumatized by dermal rollers (spiked rollers).
» »
» » Micro Needling and dermarollers damage hair follicles.
» »
» » Electrolysis destroys hair follicles.
» »
» » So unfortunately it wouldn’t work.
»
» Damaging follicles work but destoying them is with all due respect Insane.
» Cause dead as in dead like coffin and buried follicles wont unfortunately
» never come back to life.
»
» I mean really dead not only damaged or tiny or whatsoever
yes exactly yhe idea is not to put the follicle in the morgue, but to put it in the operating theater for the Acell surgeons to rebuild the missing pieces
» » so been thinking about the mechanics of how acell regenerates damaged
» » tissue (skin, follicles, etc) and that it only works by acting on
» something
» » that is damaged and bringing new cells to the damage site to do a
» repair.
» »
» » im not entirely convinced that Acell+PRP alone would do much because
» like
» » they say Acell works by repair. Now it could be that the needle
» inserting
» » the Acell + PRP is causing the damage to cause tissue regeneration.
» »
» » maybe another alternative could be to inject Acell+PRP into the scalp
» and
» » then perform electrolysis on the miniturized hair follicle to cause
» damage
» » at the root (or bulge) in order to have it rebuild. perhaps even a small
» » acell injection into the follicle before or after the electrolysis probe
» » could do the trick alone.
» »
» » i would try it if Acell was available for purchase.
»
»
» I don’t think electrolysis would add anything to the situation. it would
» repair the damage done by the electrolysis is all but that damage is not
» hair loss.
»
» I’m also concerned about the fact that Acell works by “repair” and hair
» loss does not seem like a situation that is “damage” so how can it need
» repair. But then again, what if hair loss does constitute damage? What if
» whatever happens that causes a hair to be lost is damage and so it
» therefore can be “repaired?” That is the 64,000 question.
yes the electrolysis is only there to cause damage to the follicle. at this stage the destruction of the dermal pilla only.
if you look at autocloning concept, only the inner fragment of cells are transported with the hair shaft from the donor area to the recipient area. the dermal papilla remains at the donor site. this means the acell must rebuild the missing part.
so the idea of the electrolysis is to blow away the dermal papilla of the miniturizing hair follicle so that a similar condition is created to that of autocloning. this then allows the acell to rebuild the demal papilla just like it does with autocloning. this brings me to another potential flaw with this idea. what is the precise amount of damage that needs to be done in order for it to rebuild and produce a terminal hair instead of another miniturizing hair, and secondly how important is it that some cells must be derived from the donor area.
You can buy dermarollers that punch a whole lot deeper than 1mm. The procedure might not be especially comfortable for the patient that way but it certainly can be done.
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