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That study is not telling you 5ar is responsible for the upregulation, that’s the method their using to lower down DHT levels. It’s telling you that reducing DHT results in upregulation, it could not only be that method.
And about histogen? How the fuk am I going to answer something I don’t know, not even Histogen knows. Ask IronMan, he may know but you will most likely not like his answer 
.
UGH
Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished.
HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they need HST and eventually cloned follicles.
No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be the longterm solution to MPB.
» UGH
»
» Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other
» nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished.
»
» HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they
» need HST and eventually cloned follicles.
»
» No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be
» the longterm solution to MPB.
Exactly.
» That study is not telling you 5ar is responsible for the upregulation,
» that’s the method their using to lower down DHT levels. It’s telling you
» that reducing DHT results in upregulation, it could not only be that
» method.
it’s the 5AR. People with prostate issues have the same problem where it wears off after 5 years
» And about histogen? How the fuk am I going to answer something I don’t
» know, not even Histogen knows. Ask IronMan, he may know but you will most
» likely not like his answer .
I wanted to know whether you think HSC hair will be permanent assuming androgen problem is taken care of.
» Gho + Tokyo = full head of hair. Lets just forget about all this other
» nonsense. Your MPB affected follicles are gone, done, finished.
most people aren’t interested in that.
What do you mean by our affected follicles are “gone”? What does this study tell you then:
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3
» HSC will buy guys with early stage pattern baldness some time before they
» need HST and eventually cloned follicles.
citation needed
» No pill, injection (other than HSI), cream, serum, or magic spell will be
» the longterm solution to MPB.
what do you mean by long term THAT’S my question! WILL THE NEW HAIR LAST FOREVER assuming you take care of the androgens?
This is what I think about histogen:
And of course I base the above on absolutely nothing.
» 2. It will work better in women due to the androgen dependence being a
» small factor and the fact that they still have all parts of the follicles
» intact for such treatment to work.
what ALL parts of the follicle are you talking about?
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/44478#SEC3
» 3. It will pump your follicles to grow hair for a few months then you can
» stop the treatment for a few months at best. You will be cycling
» treatments.
what do you mean cycling treatments?
» 4. DHT will still be miniaturizing your follicles but HSC will do the
» opposite and produce hair, it will not care if you have MPB or not, it will
» just make hair grow. So it can work for other conditions.
right, but do you think the growth will wear off due to DHT or due to the actual growth factors from HSC wearing off?
…
Hypothetical:
What if Histogen had not publicized the fact that they are seeing continued regrowth over a year after the injections?
If they hadn’t gone public with that fact, then I have no doubt that some guys here would be giving detailed explanations for why that is completely impossible given the way HSC works.
We don’t really know sh*t yet.
If HSC still works over a year out, then in IMHO it will probably last for at least one hair cycle. I’m not trying to be particularly optimistic, I am just simply looking at the mechanics of hair growth.
Does your hair look better 12+ months after you quit taking Fin/Dut than the first 2 months after you quit taking it? Does Minox do that? Not even close. These things boost hair growth while they are used but nothing currently known keeps working for anywhere near a year. (Does HGH or steroids keep increasing your muscle mass 12+ months after you end the cycle?)
If the results from anything (HSC or otherwise) are still helping the new hair growth for over a year, then the end of that hair cycle is the next logical interval where the situation might change in a significant way. So I’m guessing it probably works for at least that long. Just my guess.
And if we have that, then we have a viable treatment. When the hairs are healthy they will grow for several years on a single cycle. That means after an initial several rounds of injections to get things going, HSC would probably only need to be redone once every several years to keep the gains.
The gains from HSC might not last for a lifetime. (I happen to think that Ahab may be onto something with his theory that every follicle has a finite number of cycles in our lifetime, which could complicate things if HSC doesn’t repair that damage too.) But I suspect the gains from HSC could be maintained for years, probably decades.
And of course like everything else, the sooner in the MPB process you got on the treatment, the better off you will probably be in the long run.
» Read this pdf on the histogen sight, it will give you an idea of how
» effective it currently is and how many injections you will need.
»
» http://histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf
»
» we know it works, but yeah we dont know …
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
why the hell would they fake their results?
» » Read this pdf on the histogen sight, it will give you an idea of how
» » effective it currently is and how many injections you will need.
» »
» » http://histogen.com/downloads/sid_2012_HSC_Final.pdf
» »
» » we know it works, but yeah we dont know …
»
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
count the hairs, theres more in the pic on the right than on the left, you dont need to count all of them just choose any 1cm2 or 1 inch square from each photo, thats not a permanent tatoo by the way, any way whats you’re excuse for the pic above on the pdf link i provided? or the other results in the temple zone?
» » oh no results from HGH and steroids dont last you’re totally right, you
» try
» » telling that to people who have had or are born with pituitary tumors
» who
» » suffer from acromegaly and then had them surgically removed. yeah thats
» » right they shrink right back to a normal height dont they and their
» facial
» » features return to normal.
» »
» » yeah and im sure body builders who take steroids would look like they do
» » after decades of cessation if they had never taken steroids and their
» heart
» » muscles which have enlarged shrink right back down to normal dont they…
» »
» » and you would turn right back in to a little boy if your testicles are
» » removed wouldn’t you?
»
» the most irrelevant examples ever. Back to my question:
»
» what makes you think HSC permanently REVERSES MPB damage and restores your
» complete hair state to what it was 10-20 years ago?
its a totally relevant example, you point out where ive said that HSC permanently reverses mpb damage and restores you’re complete hair state to what it was 10-20 yeas ago, and then i will tell you why i think that is the case. or more to the point i will tell you why YOU think i think that is the case.
» »
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
»
» why the hell would they fake their results?
hmmmmmm, let me guess – they don’t want to face the same fate as Replicel …
… or as many other biotech companies in this field?
you do realize that gail naughton is worth hundreds of millions of dollars. She couldn’t care less if her little company went down. Why would they waste time unless it worked?
We’re past this “they’re faking it” crap. Discuss the possibilities and limitations of HSC here
» its a totally relevant example, you point out where ive said that HSC
» permanently reverses mpb damage and restores you’re complete hair state to
» what it was 10-20 yeas ago, and then i will tell you why i think that is
» the case. or more to the point i will tell you why YOU think i think that
» is the case.
so you think that HSC is able to reverse 20 years of “damage” and then somehow keep that hair for another 20 years until you end up at the baseline(before HSC) ?
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
»
» count the hairs, theres more in the pic on the right than on the left, you
» dont need to count all of them just choose any 1cm2 or 1 inch square from
» each photo, thats not a permanent tatoo by the way, any way whats you’re
» excuse for the pic above on the pdf link i provided? or the other results
» in the temple zone?
he he … are you kidding or what? Sure, all you have to do is to increase the diameter/size of the analysed area somewhat (JUST A LITTLE BIT IS COMPLETELY ENOUGH!) - voilà – more hairs, of course!
Seriously, the pics are taken with the TrichoScan Research Software …
…and the MAXIMUM this tool is able to measure is UP TO 2 cm². This means, depending on the settings, you can also take photos with smaller analysed areas/sizes (i.e. for BEFORE photos) as well as (just somewhat) bigger analysed areas/sizes (i.e. for AFTER photos) – just depending on which settings you have used.
Anyway, the pic on the right (3 month) definitely doesn’t show the same area - irrelevant which size they used.
oh shut up they went through two phases and faked results in both? WHAT IS THE POINT! IT WOULD ONLY MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE FOR THEM. WHY WOULD THEY WASTE THEIR TIME?
I’m posting hardcore pornography for every other post where you accuse histogen of faking results
» » »
» »
» http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/15/3278666/histogen-scientific-misconduct.jpg
» »
» » why the hell would they fake their results?
»
» hmmmmmm, let me guess – they don’t want to face the same fate as Replicel
» …
» 
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» … or as many other biotech companies in this field?
Wowwwwwowowowowowowowowowowow.
．85?
They must be crying their eyes out.
» oh shut up they went through two phases and faked results in both? WHAT IS
» THE POINT! IT WOULD ONLY MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE FOR THEM. WHY WOULD THEY
» WASTE THEIR TIME?
»
» I’m posting hardcore pornography for every other post where you accuse
» histogen of faking results
This is what I’ve been wondering as well. They had sh1tty results and no macrophotos before and then all the sudden you see a crazy increase in growth and they have a good scapegoat too.
Those results are from “sponsored” doctors in case anybody finds out they were on rogaine or some other bullcr4p.
They are not to “blame” and it was only one patient.
» This is what I’ve been wondering as well. They had sh1tty results and no
» macrophotos before and then all the sudden you see a crazy increase in
» growth and they have a good scapegoat too.
»
» Those results are from “sponsored” doctors in case anybody finds out they
» were on rogaine or some other bullcr4p.
»
» They are not to “blame” and it was only one patient.
what are you talking about? They had photos from before. That was their safety study.
Also: a bunch of independent doctors all over the world are using this stuff in the interview they said that all of them reported positive results.
THE RESULTS ARE REAL!
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