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lol, well they finally updated their site copyright from 2007 to 2008.
They also added a section regarding phase 2 trials
http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html
It looks like phase 1 was done in the UK (but we already knew that according to InterMark Associates), and it looks like phase II is happening in various locations across the US (there’s a map in the above link).
» lol, well they finally updated their site copyright from 2007 to 2008.
» They also added a section regarding phase 2 trials
» http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html
»
» It looks like phase 1 was done in the UK (but we already knew that
» according to InterMark Associates), and it looks like phase II is happening
» in various locations across the US (there’s a map in the above link).
They are looking for men with prominent bald spots who dont use any medications or topicals for their hair. You might check out the link rev posted if this sounds like you. I wish em’ a lot of success in these trials. Its good to see that the ball is rolling on this front also.
» » lol, well they finally updated their site copyright from 2007 to 2008.
» » They also added a section regarding phase 2 trials
» » http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html
» »
» » It looks like phase 1 was done in the UK (but we already knew that
» » according to InterMark Associates), and it looks like phase II is
» happening
» » in various locations across the US (there’s a map in the above link).
»
»
»
»
» They are looking for men with prominent bald spots who dont use any
» medications or topicals for their hair. You might check out the link rev
» posted if this sounds like you. I wish em’ a lot of success in these
» trials. Its good to see that the ball is rolling on this front also.
It’s good to see that Aderans is not dead. I think the company has taken a new approach to PR after all the times Washenik made wrong predictions. Maybe this is why they have been so quiet…or maybe it’s just more quackery.
If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake oil salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
» If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake oil
» salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
I dont mind , charlatan or whatever, just give me the cure…I dont want to be or anyone of you man of 2nd class as the 1st class is reserved to Clooney and look alike…What an unjustice your simple hairline make you out of the 1st class of men in the superficial society… should the balds be the slaves of the NW1 guys ??? A CURE please !
» » If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake
» oil
» » salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
»
» I dont mind , charlatan or whatever, just give me the cure…I dont want to
» be or anyone of you man of 2nd class as the 1st class is reserved to
» Clooney and look alike…What an unjustice your simple hairline make you out
» of the 1st class of men in the superficial society… should the balds
» be the slaves of the NW1 guys ??? A CURE please !
I’m not a fan of Washenik either, but it’s not like I’m brand loyal to a certain company. I welcome ANYONE (douchebag or otherwise) that brings a cure to the table. I honestly feel like Aderans and Intercytex owe us for all the countless times they shoved that 5 year timeline down our throats. It would be nice to find a small ounce of redemption in either of those two firms. I’m not holding my breath; I’m just saying it would be a nice surprise.
If someone lives near any of those locations, they should give them call to get some details. I’m really curious if these are standalone trials, or just a trick to get people into a bosley clinic for an HT.
» » » If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake
» » oil
» » » salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
» »
» » I dont mind , charlatan or whatever, just give me the cure…I dont want
» to
» » be or anyone of you man of 2nd class as the 1st class is reserved to
» » Clooney and look alike…What an unjustice your simple hairline make you
» out
» » of the 1st class of men in the superficial society… should the
» balds
» » be the slaves of the NW1 guys ??? A CURE please !
»
» I’m not a fan of Washenik either, but it’s not like I’m brand loyal to a
» certain company. I welcome ANYONE (douchebag or otherwise) that brings a
» cure to the table. I honestly feel like Aderans and Intercytex owe us for
» all the countless times they shoved that 5 year timeline down our throats.
» It would be nice to find a small ounce of redemption in either of those two
» firms. I’m not holding my breath; I’m just saying it would be a nice
» surprise.
»
» If someone lives near any of those locations, they should give them call
» to get some details. I’m really curious if these are standalone trials, or
» just a trick to get people into a bosley clinic for an HT.
lol I would not be surprised if it was the trick.
» » If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake
» oil
» » salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
»
» I dont mind , charlatan or whatever, just give me the cure…I dont want to
» be or anyone of you man of 2nd class as the 1st class is reserved to
» Clooney and look alike…What an unjustice your simple hairline make you out
» of the 1st class of men in the superficial society… should the balds
» be the slaves of the NW1 guys ??? A CURE please !
wow man, what do you have for a way of thinking? 1st class and 2nd class men? guy!
» » » If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake
» » oil
» » » salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
» »
» » I dont mind , charlatan or whatever, just give me the cure…I dont want
» to
» » be or anyone of you man of 2nd class as the 1st class is reserved to
» » Clooney and look alike…What an unjustice your simple hairline make you
» out
» » of the 1st class of men in the superficial society… should the
» balds
» » be the slaves of the NW1 guys ??? A CURE please !
»
» wow man, what do you have for a way of thinking? 1st class and 2nd class
» men? guy!
It’s called Hairisme my friend, HAIRISME. Even the cief analyst of CNN Bill schneider, who is bald himself and is a master at understanding political-social trends, talked about it and described it as one of the last “Taboos” in America.
» It’s called Hairisme my friend, HAIRISME. Even the cief analyst of CNN
» Bill schneider, who is bald himself and is a master at understanding
» political-social trends, talked about it and described it as one of the
» last “Taboos” in America.
You’re so right Amilcar. Try to speak about e.g. obesity the same way as baldness is widely discussed, and you’ll be in trouble!
Some people here have really short memories.
It’s a shame how some people perceive Dr. Washenik in a negative light. I doubt he deserves this treatment simply because he tried to help us.
I believe, he , more than anyone else in this field honestly thought he would be directly involved in the discovery a cure for MPB. He wanted it for himself and could relate to the desparation of those who needed it and wanted it too.
I don’t know his true motivation or drive at this stage of his career, but I could attest to his empathy and sincere quest for a cure in years gone by.
Give him some slack. ARI may be behind schedule, theri parent company let them down. Perhaps US Steel Partners will re-focus Aderans’ and ARI’s efforts where it should be - on cell therapy - not wigs.
» If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake oil
» salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
Kurt Stenn is Chief Scientific Officer of Aderans. He has performed much ground-breaking research in the field and is one of the top hair researchers in the world. This guy is no joke.
3 reasons why Aderans’ advance should be taken seriously.
Reason 1: HM is very very difficult to figure out how to get consistent. IMHO, Aderans stands the best chance of getting consistency because they use a 3-d cell growing environment that allows the cells to clump. This has been shown to keep DP cells from breaking down in culture because the clumping promotes healthy signaling between the cells. Thus the DP cells’ genetic expression remains intact unlike DP cells grown in a standard petri dish and injected in a standard syringe.
Reason 2: Aderans mixes epithelial cells with DP cells using a 2-cell approach. This promotes important signaling (such as WNT) and has been shown to keep DP cells from breaking down genetically during high passages.
Reason 3: Aderans uses matrices to house the cells. Thus each little matrix is a self-contained powerhouse with the potential to grow hair. The goal is to add all the cell types, growth factors, etc. together in a self contained environment. Thus, the cells rely less on the signaling environment inside the body and more on the environment inside the matrix, thus consistency will be improved.
Bonus Reason: In Barrows’ original 2001 paper, he revealed he was able to grow hair in a person in a place that normally does not grow hair (read signaling environment not conducive to hair growth in that spot). So it is known that the procedure worked somewhat even in its very infancy. Factor in 7 additional years of research, a very large team of dedicated scientists, and millions of dollars in R&D, and it gets kind of hard to dismiss Aderans’ effort.
Will this be a cure for all bald people upon release? Of course not. But it certainly stands a chance of emerging as a significant breakthrough that radically alters the direction of hair restoration.
Lots of work and research remains to be done. What is known is that Aderans can grow more hair on a mouse using human cells than you had as a teenager. Whether ARI can achieve this level of consistency in humans remains to be seen. But IMO, the matrix provides the best chance possible compared to anything we’ve seen so far. The key is 3-d clumping of the cells in order to promote a correct and natural signaling environment that is much closer to the environment you had during early development than the 2-d standard syringe approaches we’ve seen so far. 
»
» Kurt Stenn is Chief Scientific Officer of Aderans. He has performed much
» ground-breaking research in the field and is one of the top hair
» researchers in the world. This guy is no joke.
»
» 3 reasons why Aderans’ advance should be taken seriously.
»
» Reason 1: HM is very very difficult to figure out how to get consistent.
» IMHO, Aderans stands the best chance of getting consistency because they
» use a 3-d cell growing environment that allows the cells to clump. This has
» been shown to keep DP cells from breaking down in culture because the
» clumping promotes healthy signaling between the cells. Thus the DP cells’
» genetic expression remains intact unlike DP cells grown in a standard petri
» dish and injected in a standard syringe.
»
» Reason 2: Aderans mixes epithelial cells with DP cells using a 2-cell
» approach. This promotes important signaling (such as WNT) and has been
» shown to keep DP cells from breaking down genetically during high passages.
»
»
» Reason 3: Aderans uses matrices to house the cells. Thus each little
» matrix is a self-contained powerhouse with the potential to grow hair. The
» goal is to add all the cell types, growth factors, etc. together in a self
» contained environment. Thus, the cells rely less on the signaling
» environment inside the body and more on the environment inside the matrix,
» thus consistency will be improved.
»
» Bonus Reason: In Barrows’ original 2001 paper, he revealed he was able to
» grow hair in a person in a place that normally does not grow hair (read
» signaling environment not conducive to hair growth in that spot). So it is
» known that the procedure worked somewhat even in its very infancy. Factor
» in 7 additional years of research, a very large team of dedicated
» scientists, and millions of dollars in R&D, and it gets kind of hard to
» dismiss Aderans’ effort.
»
» Will this be a cure for all bald people upon release? Of course not. But
» it certainly stands a chance of emerging as a significant breakthrough that
» radically alters the direction of hair restoration.
»
» Lots of work and research remains to be done. What is known is that
» Aderans can grow more hair on a mouse using human cells than you had as a
» teenager. Whether ARI can achieve this level of consistency in humans
» remains to be seen. But IMO, the matrix provides the best chance possible
» compared to anything we’ve seen so far. The key is 3-d clumping of the
» cells in order to promote a correct and natural signaling environment that
» is much closer to the environment you had during early development than the
» 2-d standard syringe approaches we’ve seen so far.
Im glad you took the time to share this information with us JB. As Ive said before, it would seem that some kind of tissue matrix will be necessary for the inductive cells to become hairs either inside the body or outside the body for real cell-based HM success to happen in a human being’s balding areas.
I STILL wonder what would have happened if ICX would have shot up the wreath area in their experiments. If they could have doubled the thickness of the hippocratic wreath, a FUE surgeon would have plenty of hair to move—thus eliminating the problem (baldness). Aderans appears to be going for the ability to grow hair in the bald areas…so the process becomes more difficult. The payoff though, in DHT-resistant hairs, would be huge though.
» » It’s called Hairisme my friend, HAIRISME. Even the cief analyst of CNN
» » Bill schneider, who is bald himself and is a master at understanding
» » political-social trends, talked about it and described it as one of the
» » last “Taboos” in America.
»
» You’re so right Amilcar. Try to speak about e.g. obesity the same way as
» baldness is widely discussed, and you’ll be in trouble!
so you both mean its 1st and 2nd class people and guys with hair are 1st class people and them without hair are 2nd class people? like with white and black people? a bit that may be true, but you even can say attractive people are 1st class people and ugly people are 2nd class people or something like this. you always can put people in categories. but i dont think thats a right way of thinking.
bald or balding people are people, too, like everyone else. especially if you are bald yourself, then why think that way? well, the answer probably only you can give. if you think that way…ok. so we all are 2nd class people for you? very nice! im balding myself and you call me 2nd class? better grow up!
» It’s a shame how some people perceive Dr. Washenik in a negative light. I
» doubt he deserves this treatment simply because he tried to help us.
» I believe, he , more than anyone else in this field honestly thought he
» would be directly involved in the discovery a cure for MPB. He wanted it
» for himself and could relate to the desparation of those who needed it and
» wanted it too.
»
» I don’t know his true motivation or drive at this stage of his career, but
» I could attest to his empathy and sincere quest for a cure in years gone
» by.
»
» Give him some slack. ARI may be behind schedule, theri parent company let
» them down. Perhaps US Steel Partners will re-focus Aderans’ and ARI’s
» efforts where it should be - on cell therapy - not wigs.
You are exactly right there HairKing. Washenik should be congratulated for his perseverance. Even if he did not meet his optimistic timetable, who are we to criticize? No one owes us a cure for hairloss. They also do not owe us any sort of regular updates, and they have every right to be as secretive as they want to be.
Beating down on Washenik, Gho, etc is just childish in my opinion.
» You are exactly right there HairKing. Washenik should be congratulated for
» his perseverance. Even if he did not meet his optimistic timetable, who are
» we to criticize? No one owes us a cure for hairloss. They also do not owe
» us any sort of regular updates, and they have every right to be as
» secretive as they want to be.
»
» Beating down on Washenik, Gho, etc is just childish in my opinion.
My problem with Washenik is simple. He went around the media circuit telling people a cure will be available in 2009/2010 when Aderans barely compiled its Phase I data. He’s a professional, he should know better.
» » If ever there was a scientific charlatan it is Washenik, what a snake
» oil
» » salesman. I have zero faith in anything his name is attached to.
»
» Kurt Stenn is Chief Scientific Officer of Aderans. He has performed much
» ground-breaking research in the field and is one of the top hair
» researchers in the world. This guy is no joke.
»
» 3 reasons why Aderans’ advance should be taken seriously.
»
» Reason 1: HM is very very difficult to figure out how to get consistent.
» IMHO, Aderans stands the best chance of getting consistency because they
» use a 3-d cell growing environment that allows the cells to clump. This has
» been shown to keep DP cells from breaking down in culture because the
» clumping promotes healthy signaling between the cells. Thus the DP cells’
» genetic expression remains intact unlike DP cells grown in a standard petri
» dish and injected in a standard syringe.
»
» Reason 2: Aderans mixes epithelial cells with DP cells using a 2-cell
» approach. This promotes important signaling (such as WNT) and has been
» shown to keep DP cells from breaking down genetically during high passages.
»
»
» Reason 3: Aderans uses matrices to house the cells. Thus each little
» matrix is a self-contained powerhouse with the potential to grow hair. The
» goal is to add all the cell types, growth factors, etc. together in a self
» contained environment. Thus, the cells rely less on the signaling
» environment inside the body and more on the environment inside the matrix,
» thus consistency will be improved.
»
» Bonus Reason: In Barrows’ original 2001 paper, he revealed he was able to
» grow hair in a person in a place that normally does not grow hair (read
» signaling environment not conducive to hair growth in that spot). So it is
» known that the procedure worked somewhat even in its very infancy. Factor
» in 7 additional years of research, a very large team of dedicated
» scientists, and millions of dollars in R&D, and it gets kind of hard to
» dismiss Aderans’ effort.
»
» Will this be a cure for all bald people upon release? Of course not. But
» it certainly stands a chance of emerging as a significant breakthrough that
» radically alters the direction of hair restoration.
»
» Lots of work and research remains to be done. What is known is that
» Aderans can grow more hair on a mouse using human cells than you had as a
» teenager. Whether ARI can achieve this level of consistency in humans
» remains to be seen. But IMO, the matrix provides the best chance possible
» compared to anything we’ve seen so far. The key is 3-d clumping of the
» cells in order to promote a correct and natural signaling environment that
» is much closer to the environment you had during early development than the
» 2-d standard syringe approaches we’ve seen so far.
This is all fine and dandy. It just seems that this kind of technology… to actually be marketable is a long long way off. Follica will at least be here in our lifetime.
» » You are exactly right there HairKing. Washenik should be congratulated
» for
» » his perseverance. Even if he did not meet his optimistic timetable, who
» are
» » we to criticize? No one owes us a cure for hairloss. They also do not
» owe
» » us any sort of regular updates, and they have every right to be as
» » secretive as they want to be.
» »
» » Beating down on Washenik, Gho, etc is just childish in my opinion.
»
» My problem with Washenik is simple. He went around the media circuit
» telling people a cure will be available in 2009/2010 when Aderans barely
» compiled its Phase I data. He’s a professional, he should know better.
leonard ist right.
rev, do you know if washenik doesnt know better? no. maybe he had his reasons to say what he said. we arent in the position to critize him. even if noone reads your or my posts on this forum who is important, you shouldnt talk that way. you can be lucky that they do something which could help you.
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