Acell Information

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
21

» You just wasted a huge bunch of your own time trying to retort every point
» I made,

Agreed, since you weren’t able to comprehend what I wrote. In general, retorting to points made by other people is part of what is called a “discussion”. If you feel that the arguments are faulty or illogical, then explain why in a rational way.

» has NOTHING TO DO
» WITH GROWING HAIR!!!
»
» Explain that one!!

I and several other posters have already explained it in this very thread. I will do it one last time: ACELL COULD MEAN AN UNLIMITED DONOR AREA FOR HT. It is also possible, albeit less likely, that it could help in conjunction with a follica type wounding procedure.

Now that I have answered your question, could you please answer the questions and comments addressed to you above?

22

» Willy,
»
» With all due respect to you and your efforts, you are making a huge deal
» out of Acell. You are really wasting your own time, and much worse, you
» are wasting all of our time here, on this board, and taking up lots of
» space with your posts, and diverting everyone’s attention away from
» important news, and puffing this thing up way out of proportion!
»
» I have been following this board about 1.5 years now and it is very
» obvious you know nothing about the biology involved in any of this, and
» you’re on a really futile quest. Your initial ideas did not pan out, it
» did not work, it came to nothing, the doctors found nothing in the way of
» growing new hair, but you persist in writing threads about Acell on this
» board, and I have to say that you are really misguiding the people here
» with what amounts to a foolish hope.
»
» Where is your understanding of the science, even a slight understanding?
» It doesn’t exist.
»
» Please, stop wasting everyone’s time and diverting us here from the truly
» important things going on.
»
» And please do not try to defend yourself by saying “What if…” or “there
» is a possibility”… I could say that there’s a possibility of growing
» hair on my head from applying a mixture of bird droppings and cayenne
» pepper, and get all excited about it, and make 2-3 posts a week about it,
» but if there’s no evidence it will actually grow significant amount of new
» hair, then it is dead in the water, just like Acell.
»
» So please stop misleading and misguiding everyone here, stop this
» ridiculous Acell stuff, you are just puffing up your ego and hoping that
» there’s a small chance that you might become a hero!
»
» You will not become a hero, and this won’t grow any hair. As far as
» healing wounds, so what if it does? This is a HAIR LOSS BOARD, not a
» wound healing board. If it’s not about actually growing new hair, then
» take it to another website, please!!!
»
» Thank you and Good Bye for now!
»
» gollumisbald4now

Exactly - I’ve been saying this for months. The guy just won’t let it go, and he’s generated so much hype that he’s got half of the board fooled, too. Its really quite cruel, actually; a lot of people believed him, and now they’re disappointed. He’s made a fool of himself. Can you imagine what the Acell people must think of him? “He Jim, that crazy bald guy’s on the phone again”.

23

» blablabla…blablabla…blablabla…Goooooooooooo,and never come
» back!!!

Max,

Surely, you can come up with something more literate and meaningful than that!

Like what, I don’t know! But I’m sure there is something!

Good Bye for now,

gollumisbald4now

24

Buried in questions about rearranging the deck chairs, the two most important questions go unanswered:

» One doctor did use Acell in conjunction with a BHT (beard hair).
» Growth of the hair was accomplished with the use of Acell and a section
» (where Acell was not used) had no growth.

Huh?

» They are not aware if Acell has ever regrown functioning hair
» follicles on any part of the human body. They have primarily treated (at
» this point) parts of the body where you wouldn’t see hair…fingers,
» diabetic ulcers,ect…

Fingers do have hair on them.

Hair grows everywhere on the human body except the palms of the hands, soles of the feet, eyelids, and lips.

So the two MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are ambiguously answered.

25

» Buried in questions about rearranging the deck chairs, the two most
» important questions go unanswered:
»
» » One doctor did use Acell in conjunction with a BHT (beard
» hair).
» » Growth of the hair was accomplished with the use of Acell and
» a section
» » (where Acell was not used) had no growth.
»
» Huh?

I didn’t quite understand that answer either. Did it grow back the beard hair or or did it assist in the transplanted hairs growth?

» » They are not aware if Acell has ever regrown functioning
» hair
» » follicles on any part of the human body. They have primarily
» treated (at
» » this point) parts of the body where you wouldn’t see
» hair…fingers,
» » diabetic ulcers,ect…
»
» Fingers do have hair on them.
»
» Hair grows everywhere on the human body except the palms of the hands,
» soles of the feet, eyelids, and lips.
»
» So the two MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONS are ambiguously answered.

Dissapointing I know, maybe they just haven’t noticed any hair growth or had it reported to them?

26

» Dissapointing I know, maybe they just haven’t noticed any hair growth or
» had it reported to them?

Paying attention to hair growth on a regrown fingertip is the last thing someone would think about.

27

» » Dissapointing I know, maybe they just haven’t noticed any hair growth or
» » had it reported to them?
»
» Paying attention to hair growth on a regrown fingertip is the last thing
» someone would think about.

If I look at my fingers, there is not much visable hair at all on any of them, none at all close to the nails. So if I regrew a finger tip with Acell I wouldn’t know if it grew any either way.

28

Ahab,

I’m sorry. I know a few of the answers weren’t very clear. I was running out of time when I made this post…I had to leave for work.

The beard hair was grown in the recipient area…not the donor area. I’m not even sure how it was used. I went through the list of questions one at a time with him but didn’t want to keep him too long. I was trying to write down his responses and it was taking longer than I wanted to keep him on the phone. I had him on the phone for over a half hour.

As far as growing hair on other parts of the body…he said that it has been used on body parts that wouldn’t grow hair. Fingers, diabetic ulcers,ect… I agree with you that it should be apparent if hair was regenerated on other body parts, but he said at this point they have no reports. I didn’t want to press too hard on this issue…I already had him on the phone for a while and I didn’t want to seem “arguementative” with him. I would think that they would see (or not see) hair regrowth with some of the burn patients that it was used on…but again, he said they have no reports.

I know some of the answers (about timelines for photos or a topical gel) seem vague, but at this point, that is all I know and as I said before, I don’t want to push too hard and cause him to reject my calls.

At this point all I know is that several doctors have it and are trying several different methods. Dr. Jones is going to try additional methods at keeping the wound moist for better results. We just have to wait and see.

For the few that will critisize me for this…it really doesn’t matter what you think. The doctors have it and are trying it. It will either prove to benefit HT’s or not…so your critical posts are irrelevant at this point.

Take Care,
Bill

29

» Ahab,
»
» I’m sorry. I know a few of the answers weren’t very clear. I was running
» out of time when I made this post…I had to leave for work.
»
» The beard hair was grown in the recipient area…not the donor area. I’m
» not even sure how it was used. I went through the list of questions one at
» a time with him but didn’t want to keep him too long. I was trying to
» write down his responses and it was taking longer than I wanted to keep him
» on the phone. I had him on the phone for over a half hour.
»
» As far as growing hair on other parts of the body…he said that it has
» been used on body parts that wouldn’t grow hair. Fingers, diabetic
» ulcers,ect… I agree with you that it should be apparent if hair was
» regenerated on other body parts, but he said at this point they have no
» reports. I didn’t want to press too hard on this issue…I already had
» him on the phone for a while and I didn’t want to seem “arguementative”
» with him. I would think that they would see (or not see) hair regrowth
» with some of the burn patients that it was used on…but again, he said
» they have no reports.
»
» I know some of the answers (about timelines for photos or a topical gel)
» seem vague, but at this point, that is all I know and as I said before, I
» don’t want to push too hard and cause him to reject my calls.
»
» At this point all I know is that several doctors have it and are trying
» several different methods. Dr. Jones is going to try additional methods at
» keeping the wound moist for better results. We just have to wait and see.
»
» For the few that will critisize me for this…it really doesn’t matter
» what you think. The doctors have it and are trying it. It will either
» prove to benefit HT’s or not…so your critical posts are irrelevant at
» this point.
»
» Take Care,
» Bill

There is a lot of people that want to see Acell company fail, and I think the company will be seriously hit if this demonstration fails. Bar that also what is the point of dismissing it and ignoring the facts.

Look at the logic, ECM is the stuff that our bodies use to attract tissue to the site that needs regenerated. Every tissue in our bodies that is not scarred has a non-crosslinked ECM turnover in it that has not been spolied.

Applications that have not been crosslinked have regenerated sex organs (skin), fingers (skin), bladders (to get any regeneration you have to beat the scar, other wise you do not get regeneration), earlier ECM’s have regenerated skin ulcers successfully and many more tissues. So why would it not regenerate the skin on the human head? Why try to get people to not believe in that, or stop them from following logic? This I find bizarre how people can wish it would react different to other skin.

As far as I’m concerned the only way it wont work is if it has been denatured, spoiling the remodelling.

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» » Ahab,
» »
» » I’m sorry. I know a few of the answers weren’t very clear. I was
» running
» » out of time when I made this post…I had to leave for work.
» »
» » The beard hair was grown in the recipient area…not the donor area.
» I’m
» » not even sure how it was used. I went through the list of questions one
» at
» » a time with him but didn’t want to keep him too long. I was trying to
» » write down his responses and it was taking longer than I wanted to keep
» him
» » on the phone. I had him on the phone for over a half hour.
» »
» » As far as growing hair on other parts of the body…he said that it
» has
» » been used on body parts that wouldn’t grow hair. Fingers, diabetic
» » ulcers,ect… I agree with you that it should be apparent if hair was
» » regenerated on other body parts, but he said at this point they have no
» » reports. I didn’t want to press too hard on this issue…I already
» had
» » him on the phone for a while and I didn’t want to seem “arguementative”
» » with him. I would think that they would see (or not see) hair regrowth
» » with some of the burn patients that it was used on…but again, he
» said
» » they have no reports.
» »
» » I know some of the answers (about timelines for photos or a topical
» gel)
» » seem vague, but at this point, that is all I know and as I said before,
» I
» » don’t want to push too hard and cause him to reject my calls.
» »
» » At this point all I know is that several doctors have it and are trying
» » several different methods. Dr. Jones is going to try additional methods
» at
» » keeping the wound moist for better results. We just have to wait and
» see.
» »
» » For the few that will critisize me for this…it really doesn’t
» matter
» » what you think. The doctors have it and are trying it. It will either
» » prove to benefit HT’s or not…so your critical posts are irrelevant
» at
» » this point.
» »
» » Take Care,
» » Bill
»
» There is a lot of people that want to see Acell company fail, and I think
» the company will be seriously hit if this demonstration fails. Bar that
» also what is the point of dismissing it and ignoring the facts.
»
» Look at the logic, ECM is the stuff that our bodies use to attract tissue
» to the site that needs regenerated. Every tissue in our bodies that is not
» scarred has a non-crosslinked ECM turnover in it that has not been
» spolied.
»
» Applications that have not been crosslinked have regenerated sex organs
» (skin), fingers (skin), bladders (to get any regeneration you have to beat
» the scar, other wise you do not get regeneration), earlier ECM’s have
» regenerated skin ulcers successfully and many more tissues. So why would it
» not regenerate the skin on the human head? Why try to get people to not
» believe in that, or stop them from following logic? This I find bizarre how
» people can wish it would react different to other skin.
»
» As far as I’m concerned the only way it wont work is if it has been
» denatured, spoiling the remodelling.

I am so frigging hacked off with all these bloody Acell threads! Dont get me wrong i like the idea and am glad it is being tested but it seems a thread is created every week just for pure speculation! It needs to be completely tested out on serveral patients using a variety of application techniques and sufficient time to allow it to work! I like that Dr Jones kept a blog on it but ultimately it has just created more debate (bitching).
All this will it, wont it crap is just getting boring! You dont know, i dont know, none of us know so leave it til it gets the run it deserves!!!

Well done Willy for getting in touch with them but as you said lets leave it for a month or two before trying them again!

31

You’re doing a good job, Bill.

Thank you.

32

If we’d know what it would grow into, we should have started a new forum for Acell a long time ago.

The stuff is kind of straddling the line between “Hair mutiplication” and “hair transplantation.”

33

» There is a lot of people that want to see Acell company fail, and I think
» the company will be seriously hit if this demonstration fails. Bar that
» also what is the point of dismissing it and ignoring the facts.

The Acell company was not set up to regrow hair. Initially its founders did not even mention regrowing hair on their website. It was ONLY after a complete neophyte, non-scientist, Willy, who just had a “hunch” about something, contacted them, that they tried to capitalize on this idea.

How can you say that the whole company will fail if testing an idea from an outside non-scientist fails? What about the company’s original idea of healing wounds on animals? Does that just fall by the wayside? You mean that has suddenly become unimportant?

» Look at the logic, ECM is the stuff that our bodies use to attract tissue
» to the site that needs regenerated. Every tissue in our bodies that is not
» scarred has a non-crosslinked ECM turnover in it that has not been
» spolied.

Look, there is NO SOLID EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that this stuff has caused the regrowth of hair on any animal, not to mention on a human.

Does Acell specifically claim successful hair regrowth in any animal, anywhere? Do they claim this on their website? In a press release? In an interview? Anywhere?

You would think that if there was the slightest inkling that Acell was regrowng hair, the comnpany would be trying to capitalize on this advantage in every way possible – raising investments, making announcements, press releases, interviews with the media, etc. They would have a spinoff company by now, specifically touting this, and how it promises to regrow hair in humans. But we see none of this. All we see is an over-eager, over-anxious Willy on his personal quest, based on a complete neophyte’s uninformed and non-scientific hunch.

People who are out for recognition are dangerous. They blind themselves to reality on their quest for fame and recognition. I think that here we have a case of an over-eager and over-excited person, looking for recognition, who has deluded himself and blinded himself to the scientific realities at hand.

If the HT docs who are supposedly testing Acell right now (and we know that Dr. Jones has definitely tested it)… if THEY are not seeing any hair regrowth, than what is the point? If they had seen hair regeneration, they would be screaming about it from the rafters. But we hear nothing about that, only some vague pronouncements about how the wounds might be healing a little better.

34

» Willy,
»
» With all due respect to you and your efforts, you are making a huge deal
» out of Acell. You are really wasting your own time, and much worse, you
» are wasting all of our time here, on this board, and taking up lots of
» space with your posts, and diverting everyone’s attention away from
» important news»

please, name a few…

» I have been following this board about 1.5 years now
I am here for almost 10 years… so what?

»
» Please, stop wasting everyone’s time and diverting us here from the truly
» important things going on.

please, again, name a few. Unfortunately, the Acell experiment is one of the few important things going on. And ARI phase II.
Even if I believe Acell won’t be successful for us, I appreciate the efforts and transparency of these experiments. They are giving us plenty of photos. If it fails, WE WILL KNOW. Compare to the other charlatans we all know, who promise everything, and when they fail, they hide cowardly.

35

» » They are not aware if Acell has ever regrown functioning
» hair
» » follicles on any part of the human body. They have primarily
» treated (at
» » this point) parts of the body where you wouldn’t see
» hair…fingers,
» » diabetic ulcers,ect…

I agree this reply is at least dissapointing.
I am sure they know whether the new regenerated tissue has hair or not.
As you well say, Ahab, all our body except a few exceptions, has follicles.
so Acell has had to deal with those hair bearing skin sites, and determined if the regenerated tissue is also hair-bearing or not.
Refusal to answer this question clearly is suspicious.

Still, many thanks to Bill (Willy) and the doctors who are trying this, specially Dr. Jones, and his trialist.

36

Even if someone produced proof of Acell regenerating follicles in some form, we might still find out it’s just another MPB cure for mice.

Human scalp follicles have a track record of being an unholy b*tch to deal with, even compared to most other human & animal hair/fur. I wouldn’t believe Acell’s ability to regenerate functional human scalp hairs for MPB purposes until I actually SEE a beauty-shot result on some actual human scalp skin.

RIght now I have hopes that Acell will prove to be a serious help for skin scarring purposes. This seems fairly realistic to hope for. And it would still be a huge boost to our situation just for that alone.

37

» » There is a lot of people that want to see Acell company fail, and I
» think
» » the company will be seriously hit if this demonstration fails. Bar that
» » also what is the point of dismissing it and ignoring the facts.
»
» The Acell company was not set up to regrow hair. Initially its founders
» did not even mention regrowing hair on their website. It was ONLY after a
» complete neophyte, non-scientist, Willy, who just had a “hunch” about
» something, contacted them, that they tried to capitalize on this idea.
»
» How can you say that the whole company will fail if testing an idea from
» an outside non-scientist fails? What about the company’s original idea of
» healing wounds on animals? Does that just fall by the wayside? You mean
» that has suddenly become unimportant?
»
» » Look at the logic, ECM is the stuff that our bodies use to attract
» tissue
» » to the site that needs regenerated. Every tissue in our bodies that is
» not
» » scarred has a non-crosslinked ECM turnover in it that has not been
» » spolied.
»
» Look, there is NO SOLID EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that this stuff has caused the
» regrowth of hair on any animal, not to mention on a human.
»
» Does Acell specifically claim successful hair regrowth in any animal,
» anywhere? Do they claim this on their website? In a press release? In an
» interview? Anywhere?
»
» You would think that if there was the slightest inkling that Acell was
» regrowng hair, the comnpany would be trying to capitalize on this advantage
» in every way possible – raising investments, making announcements, press
» releases, interviews with the media, etc. They would have a spinoff
» company by now, specifically touting this, and how it promises to regrow
» hair in humans. But we see none of this. All we see is an over-eager,
» over-anxious Willy on his personal quest, based on a complete neophyte’s
» uninformed and non-scientific hunch.
»
» People who are out for recognition are dangerous. They blind themselves
» to reality on their quest for fame and recognition. I think that here we
» have a case of an over-eager and over-excited person, looking for
» recognition, who has deluded himself and blinded himself to the scientific
» realities at hand.
»
» If the HT docs who are supposedly testing Acell right now (and we know
» that Dr. Jones has definitely tested it)… if THEY are not seeing any hair
» regrowth, than what is the point? If they had seen hair regeneration,
» they would be screaming about it from the rafters. But we hear nothing
» about that, only some vague pronouncements about how the wounds might be
» healing a little better.

Willy for fame on a mesage board? LOL

Anyway here is something on an earlier ECM

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/0002.Badylak.SIS.html

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» » » Ahab,
» » »
» » » I’m sorry. I know a few of the answers weren’t very clear. I was
» » running
» » » out of time when I made this post…I had to leave for work.
» » »
» » » The beard hair was grown in the recipient area…not the donor area.
»
» » I’m
» » » not even sure how it was used. I went through the list of questions
» one
» » at
» » » a time with him but didn’t want to keep him too long. I was trying
» to
» » » write down his responses and it was taking longer than I wanted to
» keep
» » him
» » » on the phone. I had him on the phone for over a half hour.
» » »
» » » As far as growing hair on other parts of the body…he said that it
» » has
» » » been used on body parts that wouldn’t grow hair. Fingers, diabetic
» » » ulcers,ect… I agree with you that it should be apparent if hair
» was
» » » regenerated on other body parts, but he said at this point they have
» no
» » » reports. I didn’t want to press too hard on this issue…I already
» » had
» » » him on the phone for a while and I didn’t want to seem
» “arguementative”
» » » with him. I would think that they would see (or not see) hair
» regrowth
» » » with some of the burn patients that it was used on…but again, he
» » said
» » » they have no reports.
» » »
» » » I know some of the answers (about timelines for photos or a topical
» » gel)
» » » seem vague, but at this point, that is all I know and as I said
» before,
» » I
» » » don’t want to push too hard and cause him to reject my calls.
» » »
» » » At this point all I know is that several doctors have it and are
» trying
» » » several different methods. Dr. Jones is going to try additional
» methods
» » at
» » » keeping the wound moist for better results. We just have to wait and
» » see.
» » »
» » » For the few that will critisize me for this…it really doesn’t
» » matter
» » » what you think. The doctors have it and are trying it. It will
» either
» » » prove to benefit HT’s or not…so your critical posts are
» irrelevant
» » at
» » » this point.
» » »
» » » Take Care,
» » » Bill
» »
» » There is a lot of people that want to see Acell company fail, and I
» think
» » the company will be seriously hit if this demonstration fails. Bar that
» » also what is the point of dismissing it and ignoring the facts.
» »
» » Look at the logic, ECM is the stuff that our bodies use to attract
» tissue
» » to the site that needs regenerated. Every tissue in our bodies that is
» not
» » scarred has a non-crosslinked ECM turnover in it that has not been
» » spolied.
» »
» » Applications that have not been crosslinked have regenerated sex organs
» » (skin), fingers (skin), bladders (to get any regeneration you have to
» beat
» » the scar, other wise you do not get regeneration), earlier ECM’s have
» » regenerated skin ulcers successfully and many more tissues. So why would
» it
» » not regenerate the skin on the human head? Why try to get people to not
» » believe in that, or stop them from following logic? This I find bizarre
» how
» » people can wish it would react different to other skin.
» »
» » As far as I’m concerned the only way it wont work is if it has been
» » denatured, spoiling the remodelling.
»
»
» I am so frigging hacked off with all these bloody Acell threads! Dont get
» me wrong i like the idea and am glad it is being tested but it seems a
» thread is created every week just for pure speculation! It needs to be
» completely tested out on serveral patients using a variety of application
» techniques and sufficient time to allow it to work! I like that Dr Jones
» kept a blog on it but ultimately it has just created more debate
» (bitching).
» All this will it, wont it crap is just getting boring! You dont know, i
» dont know, none of us know so leave it til it gets the run it deserves!!!
»
» Well done Willy for getting in touch with them but as you said lets leave
» it for a month or two before trying them again!

If you drink water you will need the toilet. If our bodies have ECM that is not denatured and our tissues can crawl up it, we will have site specific tissue.

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Gollum, you have failed to respond to any of my questions above so far.

» Look, there is NO SOLID EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that this stuff has caused the
» regrowth of hair on any animal, not to mention on a human.
»
» Does Acell specifically claim successful hair regrowth in any animal,
» anywhere? Do they claim this on their website? In a press release? In an
» interview? Anywhere?

Yes. Look at their website. I posted the links and lots of other info for you in another thread.

» If the HT docs who are supposedly testing Acell right now (and we know
» that Dr. Jones has definitely tested it)… if THEY are not seeing any hair
» regrowth, than what is the point?

The purpose of Dr Jones test was for some reason to see how it performed under the worst possible circumstances. That is why he did not follow the ACELL protocol. Therfore, you cannot conclude very much from his experiment.

Now, pretty please, try to answer some of my questions.

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Is it me or do gollumisbald4now posts resemble those of that nut case baldbaby?