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I have talked to many hundreds of men who are taking finasteride in conjuction with a HT at our clinic.
When talking to these patients about 12 months after their HT (and usually also about 12 months after starting propecia) I have to say that about 5% of these patients have some sort of side effect. ALL the rest is doing fine with propecia, no sides.
This is my experience,
It was an easy prediction to make
you dont DARE mention YOUR pictures or lack thereof
you are deathly afraid to post any
only mine, (which you never saw)
Whats wrong is your regimen that pathetic that you have no results?
Guess I was right
» HanginInThere posted photos of two different people! LOL!
Two cowards quivering in their boots, too afraid to post their pics of their great results…
Hey I at least posted pics
Thats more guts than you will ever get 
Hairsite: “Hanging please leave forum members alone.”
rev: “…you talk too much for a guy that knows too little.”
Widowspeak: “More of the same babble from Mr. KnowItAll, a.k.a. HanginNoWhere. Hangin’s one of the reasons I don’t post here like I used to.
No drugs, rugs or plugs…beta-sis.”
HanginInThere: “I do not like my pics being up permanently online, Jacob got mad because he had not saved them yet, so he started making up all kinds of conspiracy fake pic stories.”
Jacob: “Wrong. You took the pictures down because personal information was on the one. All of yours were not of the same person. THAT is why you took them down.”
Widowspeak: “If you don’t pretend [HanginInThere] is relevent to this site or tell him you achieved regrowth with his so-called “advice” you will be attacked just like he attacks my posts and accuses me of being someone else.”
The Natural is right. Hangin is ALWAYS the common denominator where there’s trouble. Now Hangin will proceed to “put me in my place” and then call me Kramer."
mj2003: "Natural, I ignored the prick when [HanginInThere] directly insulted me out of the blue. You can do the same.
The internet is a funny place. It’s kind of like the US Army… “Be All You Can Be”. Everyone sits behind a computer with multiple phd’s and such vast experience these days, but the one thing they seem to lack is Human-Correspondence 101.
Best of luck."
orrible: "I followed hangins regime after spending time on this forum in early 2005 and reading how naturals didnt give you side effects etc. I took beta sisterol, saw palmetoo & green tea extract in combination. After only 2 weeks i had developed gyne. I stopped the hairloss tabs and took anti estrogens but it didnt resolve. In the end i had surgery. I just thought i would post as i havent visited this forum in awhile and i would have appreciated learning about this before my disaster with naturals.
My link is below. If anybody takes the time to read through it you may see me refered to as stonecold. That was my old username on that forum, but i modified it to orrible to correspond with my hairloss forum username.
http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/index.php/topic,3770.0.html"
Hogan: (reply to HanginInThere)“…why I would be jealous of a mentally retarded, balding, 40-something, with no degree, living in the the Philippines? LOL”
Hairoine: “Just wondering if your hair looks so good then why do you bother coming on this board?”
HanginInThere: “I come…because I am bored.”
Hairoine: "Oh right. You do realise though that now no one will listen to anything you say. Am not having a go but if your bored that surely the only reason you come on this part of the forum is to wind people up?
If you have more knowledge than the guys on here and they are not willing to listen then why bother posting anything? I would just let people get on with whatever they want to do and if anyone comes directly to you for help then go for it."
yellbird: “Mental Wards are full of Bored people like him. As the Doctor entered the room he asked how you doing. The reply was I am HANGINTHERE Doc.”
thegreek: [HanginInThere] all your threads end up offtopic or deleted… You are so freaked out that everybody understood what an idiot you are that you try to fill the place with stupid threads.
It will end up offtopic as well… you are the forum clown and you know you cannot change it, pretty soon you are going to freak out completely and fill the forum with BS threads…"
Every village has an idiot…you are officially our idiot."
Hogan: "All of my supporters have regrown their hair and have moved on with their lives. Not hangin(there) around some bulletin board. Unlike some who seek any attention that they can get from any stranger that is willing to flatter them. Get a life.
I haven’t posted on this board for the last year and a half because I have been busy working on my MBA, something you will never have. While you have been busy pitching your horrible regimen on un-suspecting noobs, I have gotten an MBA.
You live a sad, sad life. The only existence you have is on this board."
The Natural: “Most men are sensitive about their hair or lack thereof.”
HanginInThere: “most of us are fine with it then you have crybabies like the natural …”
Willy: “Hangin, You’re so fine with it that you post more than anyone on Hairsite EVERYDAY!!! P L E A S E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !”
ApeSmith: “Hanging, even if someone does not provide proof of their regrowth, hey wish them well and good luck and be on your merry way, there is no need for bitterness and acting pathetic.”
Jtelecom: "Hangin, You need some serious help, man! I think that you should talk to somebody about your feelings on these (and other) issues. These rants of yours are not doing you or anybody any good. Get some help - NOW! "
Hairsite: “Hanging please leave forum members alone.”
rev: “…you talk too much for a guy that knows too little.”
Widowspeak: “More of the same babble from Mr. KnowItAll, a.k.a. HanginNoWhere. Hangin’s one of the reasons I don’t post here like I used to.
No drugs, rugs or plugs…beta-sis.”
HanginInThere: “I do not like my pics being up permanently online, Jacob got mad because he had not saved them yet, so he started making up all kinds of conspiracy fake pic stories.”
Jacob: “Wrong. You took the pictures down because personal information was on the one. All of yours were not of the same person. THAT is why you took them down.”
Widowspeak: “If you don’t pretend [HanginInThere] is relevent to this site or tell him you achieved regrowth with his so-called “advice” you will be attacked just like he attacks my posts and accuses me of being someone else.”
The Natural is right. Hangin is ALWAYS the common denominator where there’s trouble. Now Hangin will proceed to “put me in my place” and then call me Kramer."
mj2003: "Natural, I ignored the prick when [HanginInThere] directly insulted me out of the blue. You can do the same.
The internet is a funny place. It’s kind of like the US Army… “Be All You Can Be”. Everyone sits behind a computer with multiple phd’s and such vast experience these days, but the one thing they seem to lack is Human-Correspondence 101.
Best of luck."
orrible: "I followed hangins regime after spending time on this forum in early 2005 and reading how naturals didnt give you side effects etc. I took beta sisterol, saw palmetoo & green tea extract in combination. After only 2 weeks i had developed gyne. I stopped the hairloss tabs and took anti estrogens but it didnt resolve. In the end i had surgery. I just thought i would post as i havent visited this forum in awhile and i would have appreciated learning about this before my disaster with naturals.
My link is below. If anybody takes the time to read through it you may see me refered to as stonecold. That was my old username on that forum, but i modified it to orrible to correspond with my hairloss forum username.
http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/index.php/topic,3770.0.html"
Hogan: (reply to HanginInThere)“…why I would be jealous of a mentally retarded, balding, 40-something, with no degree, living in the the Philippines? LOL”
Hairoine: “Just wondering if your hair looks so good then why do you bother coming on this board?”
HanginInThere: “I come…because I am bored.”
Hairoine: "Oh right. You do realise though that now no one will listen to anything you say. Am not having a go but if your bored that surely the only reason you come on this part of the forum is to wind people up?
If you have more knowledge than the guys on here and they are not willing to listen then why bother posting anything? I would just let people get on with whatever they want to do and if anyone comes directly to you for help then go for it."
yellbird: “Mental Wards are full of Bored people like him. As the Doctor entered the room he asked how you doing. The reply was I am HANGINTHERE Doc.”
thegreek: [HanginInThere] all your threads end up offtopic or deleted… You are so freaked out that everybody understood what an idiot you are that you try to fill the place with stupid threads.
It will end up offtopic as well… you are the forum clown and you know you cannot change it, pretty soon you are going to freak out completely and fill the forum with BS threads…"
Every village has an idiot…you are officially our idiot."
Hogan: "All of my supporters have regrown their hair and have moved on with their lives. Not hangin(there) around some bulletin board. Unlike some who seek any attention that they can get from any stranger that is willing to flatter them. Get a life.
I haven’t posted on this board for the last year and a half because I have been busy working on my MBA, something you will never have. While you have been busy pitching your horrible regimen on un-suspecting noobs, I have gotten an MBA.
You live a sad, sad life. The only existence you have is on this board."
The Natural: “Most men are sensitive about their hair or lack thereof.”
HanginInThere: “most of us are fine with it then you have crybabies like the natural …”
Willy: “Hangin, You’re so fine with it that you post more than anyone on Hairsite EVERYDAY!!! P L E A S E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !”
ApeSmith: “Hanging, even if someone does not provide proof of their regrowth, hey wish them well and good luck and be on your merry way, there is no need for bitterness and acting pathetic.”
Jtelecom: "Hangin, You need some serious help, man! I think that you should talk to somebody about your feelings on these (and other) issues. These rants of yours are not doing you or anybody any good. Get some help - NOW! "
Sir, there are countless posts from users of this drug who have developed side effects over the years.
Quote from “finfighter” at Hair Loss Talk:
"DHT is the most potent male androgen, and it is resposible for pubescenct changes initiation in males. DHT also plays a role in muscle development and sexual function, the lack of DHT in some men leeds to an increase in Estrogen, DHT is an Estrogen Antagonist in males.
Finasteride doesn’t just suppress DHT. Finasteride hinders the Isoenzyme 5 Alpha Reductase 2 (5AR2). 5AR2 is the enzyme responsible for the conversion of Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone, by hindering 5AR2 Finasteride decreases DHT conversion, the decrease in DHT conversion sometimes leaves an excess of available free ranging Testosterone, this extra Testosterone is often converted into Estrogen when DHT is hindered, this is the reason why some men experience side effects from Finasteride which are associated with to much Estrogen such as Gynecomastia, and erectile dysfunction.
What is even more troubling than Finasteride’s suppresion of DHT is its suppression of 5AR2. 5AR2 is used for more functions than merely T to DHT conversion. 5AR2 is the enzyme which converts Progesterone and deoxycorticosterone into dihydroprogesterone and dihydro-deoxycorticosterone. Finasteride also hinders various neuro steroids such as Allopregnanolone which plays a role in the human brain, Allopregnolone is a part of the body’s natural defense against cognitive deficits. There is still a lot we have to learn about Finasterides effects on the human body and brain, Finasteride is a relatively young drug. See attached photos and literature
5AR2 is also found in the human spinal cord."
» Sir, there are countless posts from users of this drug who have developed
» side effects over the years.
»
» Quote from “finfighter” at Hair Loss Talk:
»
» “DHT is the most potent male androgen, and it is resposible for pubescenct
» changes initiation in males. DHT also plays a role in muscle development
» and sexual function, the lack of DHT in some men leeds to an increase in
» Estrogen, DHT is an Estrogen Antagonist in males.
»
» Finasteride doesn’t just suppress DHT. Finasteride hinders the Isoenzyme 5
» Alpha Reductase 2 (5AR2). 5AR2 is the enzyme responsible for the conversion
» of Testosterone into Dihydrotestosterone, by hindering 5AR2 Finasteride
» decreases DHT conversion, the decrease in DHT conversion sometimes leaves
» an excess of available free ranging Testosterone, this extra Testosterone
» is often converted into Estrogen when DHT is hindered, this is the reason
» why some men experience side effects from Finasteride which are associated
» with to much Estrogen such as Gynecomastia, and erectile dysfunction.
»
» What is even more troubling than Finasteride’s suppresion of DHT is its
» suppression of 5AR2. 5AR2 is used for more functions than merely T to DHT
» conversion. 5AR2 is the enzyme which converts Progesterone and
» deoxycorticosterone into dihydroprogesterone and
» dihydro-deoxycorticosterone. Finasteride also hinders various neuro
» steroids such as Allopregnanolone which plays a role in the human brain,
» Allopregnolone is a part of the body’s natural defense against cognitive
» deficits. There is still a lot we have to learn about Finasterides effects
» on the human body and brain, Finasteride is a relatively young drug. See
» attached photos and literature
»
» 5AR2 is also found in the human spinal cord.”
Fin suppresses 5AR1 AND 5 AR2
Saw Palmwetto does not affect 5 AR2
moron
Saw Palmetto does not stop hair loss either. It’s useless, you loser!
Post after post has stated that these two do nothing for hair loss, and don’t let the likes of HanginInthere tell you anything different. Poster after poster has shown him to be nothing but a liar and his regimen a joke.
» Saw Palmetto does not stop hair loss either. It’s useless, you loser!
kind of like your regimen huh?
you are very familiar with ineffective regimens apparently 
» Post after post has stated that these two do nothing for hair loss, and
» don’t let the likes of HanginInthere tell you anything different. Poster
» after poster has shown him to be nothing but a liar and his regimen
» a joke.
Sad that even Saw palmetto was ineffective for you, so you go around crying that natural dht blockers are useless
so your last resort was curry powder, and even that hasnt worked
how bald are you now , by the way. We all know it must be getting pretty bad because you are deathly afraid to even discuss posting your pics
Post after post has stated that these two do nothing for hair loss, and don’t let the likes of HanginInthere tell you anything different. Poster after poster has shown him to be nothing but a liar and his regimen a joke.
» http://www.aolhealth.com/2011/03/18/men-report-sexual-impairment-after-using-common-hair-loss-drug/?icid=main|htmlws-main-w|dl6|sec3_lnk2|206549
»
»
» "Men who have taken a popular pill for baldness say they’ve experienced
» persistent sexual dysfunction for months, or even years, after stopping the
» drug.
»
» The new study, published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, found that men
» who take finasteride, sold under the brand names Propecia and Proscar, may
» develop an ongoing loss of libido and orgasm, even after they go off the
» medication.
»
» In some cases, they could have other lasting sexual side effects, including
» premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction, according to lead
» researcher Dr. Michael Irwig of George Washington University’s medical
» school.
»
» “It’s obviously having some effect on the brain,” Irwig told AOL Health.
» “It’s messing up different hormonal pathways. Some of these pathways are
» important for things like libido and sexual function.”
»
» Finasteride, the most common hair-loss pill, has previously been linked to
» “reversible” sexual impairment, as noted on the drug’s label, said Irwig.
» But “this is the first series to find that symptoms persisted for at least
» three months despite stopping finasteride,” he added.
»
» “Three months was the minimum, but some of these guys had sexual symptoms
» for years, some … for five to 10 years after,” he told AOL Health. “These
» were young guys with no medical problems, no psychiatric problems, who
» happened to develop these side effects.”
»
» Irwig and his team interviewed 71 men aged 21 to 46 who had taken Propecia
» or Proscar and reported new sexual side effects after they started the
» drugs. None of the participants had a history of sexual dysfunction or
» other conditions that might have contributed, Irwig said – and some had
» only been on finasteride for a few days.
»
» Ninety-four percent said they’d experienced low sexual desire, 92 percent
» reported a dip in sexual arousal and 69 percent had trouble with orgasm,
» according to the findings. Another 92 percent said they developed erectile
» dysfunction after taking finasteride.
»
» On average, participants had been on the baldness drug for 28 months and
» had chronic sexual problems for an average of 40 months, the research
» showed.
»
» But 10 percent of those studied had used finasteride for less than a month,
» Irwig told AOL Health.
»
» “It’s scary,” he said. “For the lack of orgasm and libido, there is no
» treatment.”
»
» Other reported adverse side effects of finasteride are depression, suicidal
» thoughts and anxiety. Merck is currently fighting a number of lawsuits
» involving the drug, including one in Canada and another in Connecticut.
»
» The company does not warn of possible psychological or persistent sexual
» problems in information about finasteride on its website, nor does it
» mention those symptoms on its U.S. labeling. Irwig said the drug does carry
» warning labels in the U.K. and Sweden about ongoing sexual impairment.
»
» “Be aware that this is a potential sexual side effect,” he cautioned. “If
» somebody chooses to take this medicine, there is that risk. They have to
» make the decision that it’s a risk they’re willing to take.”
There maybe some side effects.
If you look at MPB these days its accompanied by some anxiety -so this can be another factor.
Inhibiting DHT is fine as long as you balance your other hormones too.
"Regimen is all natural DHT blockers
at present I am down to Saw Palmetto 320/day
and …Pygeum 500mcg/day"
Your regime is quite balanced.
If you add some nettle root - youll see better results.
Pete
CS - Can You Diagnose Me (iodine - no effect, beta sis - depression!)
Posted by gbp2000 on Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:53 pm
Hey all,
I’ve been on these forums for years now - and I’ve had a few small success - but overall I’m beginning to wonder if my hairloss or the reasons behind it are like most people.
I started losing hair at 18! Very very slowly. Although, I did have really bad dandruff (massive flakes) - a year or so before it started. I’m now 34, nw3/ with diffuse nw4 pattern. The center of my hairline went first, then the temples. I’ve got a double crown and that thinned at 20/21.
Naturally muscular, don’t smoke at all or drink much. I’ve been using the IH regimen for a fair few years now - and I’m not holding ground anymore.
for what its worth here are some facts:
Very low sex drive
Greasy skin
Average body hair
Zinc and bananas have a huge effect on my mood as does macca
Vellus hair still there - right up to my teenage hairline (I can get it to grow longer with topical aloe + garlic - but it rarely turns terminal)
Topical Colloidal silver also grows hair - but far too slowly to be useful.
Used to have bad hair pain - now that hair is gone, I don’t have the pain.
Took beta siterol - as suggested by you - hair got thicker - sex drive dropped even lower, dropped after six months.
» CS - Can You Diagnose Me (iodine - no effect, beta sis -
» depression!)
»
»
» Posted by gbp2000 on Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:53 pm
»
» Hey all,
»
» I’ve been on these forums for years now - and I’ve had a few small success
» - but overall I’m beginning to wonder if my hairloss or the reasons behind
» it are like most people.
»
» I started losing hair at 18! Very very slowly. Although, I did have really
» bad dandruff (massive flakes) - a year or so before it started. I’m now 34,
» nw3/ with diffuse nw4 pattern. The center of my hairline went first, then
» the temples. I’ve got a double crown and that thinned at 20/21.
»
» Naturally muscular, don’t smoke at all or drink much. I’ve been using the
» IH regimen for a fair few years now - and I’m not holding ground anymore.
»
» for what its worth here are some facts:
»
» Very low sex drive
» Greasy skin
» Average body hair
» Zinc and bananas have a huge effect on my mood as does macca
» Vellus hair still there - right up to my teenage hairline (I can get it to
» grow longer with topical aloe + garlic - but it rarely turns terminal)
» Topical Colloidal silver also grows hair - but far too slowly to be
» useful.
» Used to have bad hair pain - now that hair is gone, I don’t have the pain.
» Took beta siterol - as suggested by you - hair got thicker - sex drive
» dropped even lower, dropped after six months.
I can’t stop laughing!! What are you f****** stupid or what??!:rotfl:
what is your regimen, my tiny Polish drag queen?!
DHT need not even be considered. Its inhibition is an outdated approach to fighting hair loss.
» DHT need not even be considered. Its inhibition is an outdated approach to
» fighting hair loss.
Dehydrotestosterone (DHT): It is a male hormone that many scientists suggest to be the main cause for male pattern baldness. DHT is formed when the male hormone testosterone interacts with the enzyme 5-alpha reductase.
DHT needs to be considered. Its inhibition is a modern day approach to
fighting hair loss
Its inhibition will make you a girl: gynecomastia.
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