9 Month Update, 15,000+ Graft to NW6, BHT/FUE, -KF

Hair Transplant
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» » Graft Breakdown:
» » Beard: 6250
» » Head donor: 3617
» » Legs/thighs: 2528
» » Chest: 1647
» » Abdominal Areas: 900
» » Arms: 531
»
» Dr. Umar, can we really get that many beard hairs from a person? 6250? A
» typo perhaps?

how does beard hair grafts grow, is it mostly one and two hair like chest or all one hair?

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» either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least
» twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?

Frodo,

I’m afraid you’re the one who’s confused. One single beard hair is obviously thicker than one single head hair, however one head GRAFT, according to Dr Umar and other accounts, is usually a double or a triple scalp hair, and beard grafts are mostly singles. That is why 1 head graft is equivalent to 2-2.5 beard hairs. Comprehende?

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» In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has
» excellent yield all factors considered.
»
» The obvious indication for body hair is in repair patients that have run
» out of head donor hair for their repair work. These patients have an
» absolute lack of donor. A perfect example is this patient:
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-27518.html
»
» Another indication is in extensively bald individuals. These patients
» could be said to have a relative lack of donor supply, because the
» number of available head grafts would not meet the demand of the entire NW
» area. In these patients, the hybrid approach could be benefitial as is the
» case in patient KF.
»
» The benefit of the hybrid approach in extensively bald indivuals (such as
» KF)is the ability to reasonably restore the entire NW6 and 7 areas
» (including the crown) before running out of donor hair, and without
» compromising the head donor cosmetically (scarring, coverage etc). This
» would have been impossible in the average patient using head hair alone.
» With head hair and to some extent beard hair as a foundation, body hair
» serves as a filler to reinforce density. Body Hair Transplant (BHT) could
» take 1-2 years to fully manifest. Even in its full glory however, it
» compares to the average head derived graft in 2-3: 1 ratio (advantage
» head). For beard hair, the ratio is closer to 2-2.5:1 ratio (advantage
» head). These are average figures…Individual variations can and do occur.
»
» Because of the hybrid approach adopted in this patient (KF), Even with
» this much coverage at 9 months, he still has a head donor that is still
» barely touched with potentially 4000 extractable grafts, with another
» 3000-4000 from the beard, and thousands more from the body. Not a far cry
» from what we had hoped to achieve going into the surgery.
»
»
» S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
» DermHair Clinic
» Redondo Beach, California
» +1-310-318-1500
» 1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
» info@dermhairclinic.com
» WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
» Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
» Using Head and Body hair
»
» For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com

Dr. Umar, I can’t say I fully understand but I guess I will take your word for it. Peace out :slight_smile:

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» i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
»
» 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
»

why is it that hair thickenss don’t count? thicker hairs give better coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation, this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000 beard hairs and if all 15000 beard hairs grew then his head should look like 30,000 head hairs assuming 1 beard hair is twice the thickness of regular head hair, does he look like he had 30,000 head hairs??? hell no!

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» » i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
» »
» » 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» » 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
» »
»
» why is it that hair thickenss don’t count? thicker hairs give better
» coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation,
» this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice
» as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000
» grafts and if all 15000 grew then his head should look like 30,000 grafts,
» does he look like he had 30,000 grafts??? hell no!
»
»

u think he had 15000 head hair grafts? nope…if thats not what you are assuming where did you get the figure of 30,000 , which should be hairs anyway, not grafts…

body hair mostly those are individual hairs, in fact they are all 1s, except I think beard hair has some multiples in there

nobody can extract 15000 head hair grafts, that is next to impossible
8000 is pushing it

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» » i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
» »
» » 6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
» » 6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
» »
»
» why is it that hair thickenss don’t count? thicker hairs give better
» coverage and density, u cant just ignore hair thickness in the equation,
» this is arvind s pic which clearly shows that beard hairs are easily twice
» as thick, it s as if putting two head hairs together, this guy had 15000
» beard hairs and if all 15000 beard hairs grew then his head should look
» like 30,000 head hairs assuming 1 beard hair is twice the thickness of
» regular head hair, does he look like he had 30,000 head
» hairs??? hell no!

Get your facts straight. Nobody ever said it was 15,000 beard hairs.

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» » I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
»
» » I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and
» all
» » the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to
» his
» » head than the “before” picture. I totally respect Umar’s work, but
» this
» » result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair…
»
» It’s only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after
» going through a few cycles

this is a repair not a virgin head so traditional parameters do not apply here, there is a huge improvement, he went from feak to pretty chic, also fue is painless, with quick recovery, walk in the park compared to strip,

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» » I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
»
» » I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and
» all
» » the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to
» his
» » head than the “before” picture. I totally respect Umar’s work, but
» this
» » result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair…
»
» It’s only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after
» going through a few cycles.

Have you personally followed a bht patient for several years and witnessed that such is the case after a few cycles?

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The placement and growth in this case is good. The approach I would have taken is to restore at a NW2 hairline, but that’s the patients choice. When some say it looks odd or like a toupee, it’s the NW0-1 hairline in contrast to the very diffuse surroundings.
Dr. Umar, did you advise for or against the NW0-1 restoration, or do you let the patient decide without opinion? I think this guy would have looked a lot more natural with a little temple recession, and a little “just for men”.

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A discussion on this patient has continued on the following thread were his VIDEO was shown:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-30342.html

The VIDEO shows more closely what the patient is experiencing in real life much more so than the pictures. The videos illustrate why the patient is thrilled with the transformation he has enjoyed from the procedure.

S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents)
info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair

For more SFET-FUE and BHT results go to www.dermhairclinic.com