» As one who has had extensive BHT and know the reaslistic expectations that
» it offers(too many people compare body hair expectations to scalp hair
» expectations ) - this is for sure excellent work and he has to be
» ecstatic with this result. Beard hair has definitely had an impact on this
» case . The reason this is perceived as hard to believe is because
» groundwork has been broken on territory we have seen very few /to little in
» the past . Just as with other areas on the body when BHT began -
» individuals had a hard time beleiving the numbers . I tell people that I
» have had 17,000 body hair taken from all areas of my body and they still
» find it hard to comprehend. The same will hold true for beard hair until we
» see continous cases presented over time and it sinks in that it is real and
» viable.
»
» Just so that I would know for future reference and use in the future if
» needed- I had an assesment done of my beard hair on my last visit to Dr
» Umar in Sept 2007. The evaluation revealed that Dr Umar could extract at
» least 8000 grafts + from my beard area . Its always nice to know what your
» options are to achieve the best results . It is nice to know what beard
» hair counts are available in case I need them later down the road . The
» beard hair area is very new to BHT but now that pristine extractions can be
» made and its characteristics most similar to scalp hair versus other BHT
» sources- its a valuable and viable option.
»
» My life has changed more than I can ever explain after what Dr Umar has
» done for me using BHT and his continuous efforts to make it work and work
» better as seen in this case .I was at the dentist last Thursday. My hot
» little dental hygentist who I see twice a year finished up with me and as
» I was getting up from the chair she she said - “Your hair looks great- And
» where are your scars ?”. She was referring to the enormous strip scars that
» have wrapped my head for years but Dr Umar has done such an excellent job
» with camoflauging them as much as possible with my body hair over several
» sessions . Of course they are not invisible because I keep my hair shaved
» on the sides but the scars are camoflauged very well with the body hair .
» Her comment made me feel even more thankful what I have been able to
» achieve to get my life back with no worries of hair loss or feelings of
» disfigurement anymore .
»
» So glad to see this guy moving forward.Its a great feeling!!!
»
» 19,000 grafts by Dr Umar
wouldnt the beard hair mimic the head hair more than normal body hair, as far as texture, and thickness
having 8000 more grafts available through beard, and then having the possibility of not having to shave again, is killing two birds with one stone
i guess this might only be equivalent to about 4000 head hair grafts but that is still a lot
I don’t think this one is as good as the 10,000 you posted earlier, perhaps if he grew his hair a bit longer it may look nicer, right now I can see thin spots all over.
Here are some examples of donor area healing at 9 months (Pictures to the left were taken soon after surgery while the pictures to the right were taken at the 9 month mark:
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S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
» Dr. Umar in your opinion do you think this fellow has above average beard
» density?
It is hard to say without actually doing an actual study. But based on what I see commonly, he he would range between average to above average.
Here is the only before picture of the beard area in my possession. Although a bit blurry, it gives an idea of his beard density and range. This is at ~3 days without shaving.
Before extraction of 6200 grafts
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Soon after extraction of 6200 Grafts
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9 Months after extraction of 6200 grafts
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S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural. I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his head than the “before” picture. I totally respect Umar’s work, but this result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair…
» I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
» I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all
» the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his
» head than the “before” picture. I totally respect Umar’s work, but this
» result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair…
then again does it look better than the more bald previous look, in my opinion he looked more natural before
true he has more hair now
but before even though more bald, he looked completely natural
i cant say that now with his current hair
the beard hair , I think it is that…well some hair on the head is of completely different consistency and is about 3 times as thick the individual shafts, than the surrounding hair, perhaps if he trims those hairs they will blend in
The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all 15000 grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to why some grew and others didn’t.
He looks a heck of a lot better to me.
Much younger.
Another great example of a hybrid HT from Dr. Umar.
Great FUE/BHT yield, especially for 9 months out.
It was stated that he has more body and head hair donor in the bank.
Priceless.
Dr. U. could have taken “studio” pix that would have been much more flattering with glamour lighting, etc.
But as always, these are clinical pix taken under bright, flat, unflattering lighting at the clinic.
I think what some folks are responding to is his hairstyle and these clinical pix.
I’d like to see him with his hairline gelled back or maybe a buzz cut.
Parting it to the side this way wouldn’t be my choice.
But the point is, he has styling options now!
He was a NW 6 for Pete’s sake.
AND… he’s only 9 months out of the procedure.
A little styling and this guy would look even better, IMO.
He’s got the whorl thing going on too!
For all you that say it looks weird, you are right, and its the gray hair from the beard…in the before pics, he had no gray hair…Just imagine for a second that all the gray hair in the after was his hair color, then it would look very good. Tell this guy to slap on some Grecian 5 and he’s good to go!
» I know that I am a bit of a pessimist, but this result is very unnatural.
» I know that we all try and be supportive, but for $60k or whatever, and all
» the pain and suffering, the result will attract far more attention to his
» head than the “before” picture. I totally respect Umar’s work, but this
» result eliminates any desire that I have to try beard hair…
It’s only 9 months. Sometimes the body hair will blend in better after going through a few cycles.
» He looks a heck of a lot better to me.
» Much younger.
»
» Another great example of a hybrid HT from Dr. Umar.
»
» Great FUE/BHT yield, especially for 9 months out.
»
» It was stated that he has more body and head hair donor in the bank.
» Priceless.
»
» Dr. U. could have taken “studio” pix that would have been much more
» flattering with glamour lighting, etc.
» But as always, these are clinical pix taken under bright, flat,
» unflattering lighting at the clinic.
»
» I think what some folks are responding to is his hairstyle and these
» clinical pix.
»
» I’d like to see him with his hairline gelled back or maybe a buzz cut.
» Parting it to the side this way wouldn’t be my choice.
»
» But the point is, he has styling options now!
» He was a NW 6 for Pete’s sake.
»
» AND… he’s only 9 months out of the procedure.
»
» A little styling and this guy would look even better, IMO.
» He’s got the whorl thing going on too!
»
» Take another look at these pics…
»
» Looking great here IMO:
»
»
» A soft, natural hairline…nice!:
»
»
» The whorl is in effect:
»
I had not seen that angle the first one you posted that one does not look too bad, in fact it looks ok to me
He was way more than the avg person, the beard even goes down to his neck, I can see why you can take out that many from him. His chin looks spotless btw, good job.
» The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to
» get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all 15000
» grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to why
» some grew and others didn’t.
I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It’s the 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the nail, the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It is troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
» » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how to
» » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» 15000
» » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to
» why
» » some grew and others didn’t.
»
» I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some
» hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It’s the
» 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the nail,
» the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It is
» troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would be the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts are all one hair grafts
are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair grafts ? I dont think so…your numbers are way way off
for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent to about 4000 head hair grafts…which actually upon looking at this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head hair grafts or more…which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would be the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
» » » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is how
» to
» » » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» » 15000
» » » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as to
» » why
» » » some grew and others didn’t.
» »
» » I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in some
» » hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It’s
» the
» » 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the
» nail,
» » the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO. It
» is
» » troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
»
» how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would be
» the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts are
» all one hair grafts
»
» are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair
» grafts ? I dont think so…your numbers are way way off
»
» for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent to
» about 4000 head hair grafts…which actually upon looking at
» this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head hair
» grafts or more…which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would be
» the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
»
» do not compare apples to oranges
I think you are making it too complicated. This guy had 15000 grafts and it looked like only about 5000 grew, agree? I am not trying to discredit Dr. Umar’s work, everybody respects his work but I think all the doctors need to put their heads together to find out how to increase the yield for body hair.
» » » » The hair looks fine to me, I think the more important question is
» how
» » to
» » » » get body hair to grow consistently so that this becomes a more
» » » » efficient/effective treatment. It goes without saying that not all
» » » 15000
» » » » grew, I wish doctors would work together to unlock the mystery as
» to
» » » why
» » » » some grew and others didn’t.
» » »
» » » I am with you on this one. I have no problem with the hair. Put in
» some
» » » hair products or hair dye and I am sure he will look just fine. It’s
» » the
» » » 15000 grafts that I have a hard time swallowing. You hit it on the
» » nail,
» » » the main problem is to improve body hair yield, to at least 60% IMO.
» It
» » is
» » » troublesome that 15000 grafts yielded more like 5000.
» »
» » how do you know it yielded only 5000, when 5000 body hair grafts would
» be
» » the equivalent of 2000 or so head hair grafts since body hair grafts
» are
» » all one hair grafts
» »
» » are you telling me this guy could get this result with 2000 head hair
» » grafts ? I dont think so…your numbers are way way off
» »
» » for example if you got 10,000 body hair grafts that is only equivalent
» to
» » about 4000 head hair grafts…which actually upon looking
» at
» » this guy his head looks like he would have recieved about 6000 head
» hair
» » grafts or more…which at 2 to 3 hairs per graft , would
» be
» » the equivalent of about 15000 body hair grafts
» »
» » do not compare apples to oranges
»
» I think you are making it too complicated. This guy had 15000 grafts and
» it looked like only about 5000 grew, agree? I am not trying to discredit
» Dr. Umar’s work, everybody respects his work but I think all the doctors
» need to put their heads together to find out how to increase the yield for
» body hair.
no i do not agree
you are using body hair and head hair interchangably
this result looks like about 6000 head hair grafts, each of which is usually 2 to 3 hairs
body hair grafts contain only one hair so you need about 2.5 times as many body hair grafts , assuming they all grow…to get the same density as 1 head hair graft
this result looks like about 6000 head hair grafts…
however no way in hell could the best surgeon in the world, achieve a similar result with 6000 body hair grafts, even if they all grew
15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks about right for that amount
you are lumping body hair grafts and head hair grafts into one pile
In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has excellent yield all factors considered.
The obvious indication for body hair is in repair patients that have run out of head donor hair for their repair work. These patients have an absolute lack of donor. A perfect example is this patient:
Another indication is in extensively bald individuals. These patients could be said to have a relative lack of donor supply, because the number of available head grafts would not meet the demand of the entire NW area. In these patients, the hybrid approach could be benefitial as is the case in patient KF.
The benefit of the hybrid approach in extensively bald indivuals (such as KF)is the ability to reasonably restore the entire NW6 and 7 areas (including the crown) before running out of donor hair, and without compromising the head donor cosmetically (scarring, coverage etc). This would have been impossible in the average patient using head hair alone. With head hair and to some extent beard hair as a foundation, body hair serves as a filler to reinforce density. Body Hair Transplant (BHT) could take 1-2 years to fully manifest. Even in its full glory however, it compares to the average head derived graft in 2-3: 1 ratio (advantage head). For beard hair, the ratio is closer to 2-2.5:1 ratio (advantage head). These are average figures…Individual variations can and do occur.
Because of the hybrid approach adopted in this patient (KF), Even with this much coverage at 9 months, he still has a head donor that is still barely touched with potentially 4000 extractable grafts, with another 3000-4000 from the beard, and thousands more from the body. Not a far cry from what we had hoped to achieve going into the surgery.
S. Umar, M.D., FAAD
DermHair Clinic
Redondo Beach, California
+1-310-318-1500
1-877-DERMHAIR (US residents) info@dermhairclinic.com
WEBSITE www.dermhairclinic.com
Single Follicle Extraction & Transfer (SFET)
Using Head and Body hair
» 15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is
» equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks about
» right for that amount
either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?
» » 15000 body hair grafts. which is about what this guy got i think, is
» » equivalent to only about 6000 head hair grafts, and this result looks
» about
» » right for that amount
»
»
» either u r insane or u have been brain washed, beard hair is at least
» twice as thick as head hair, how do u account for that?
i am talking number of hairs not hair thickness
6000 body hair grafts = 6000 hairs
6000 head hair grafts = 12-15000 hairs
if you throw beard hair in the mix of course , theoretically, the transplant from body hairs will appear thicker in many areas, not as weak as typical body hair
then again ask Dr Umar not me, he already confirmed my numbers below…read the post
Quote from Dr Umar
In this instance, Hanginginthere has got the math right. The patient has excellent yield all factors considered.
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