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Yes, ICX-TRC is becoming a reality


#1

Hey all,

Ugh, I’m just getting annoyed by all the recent posts on this forum. Too many people are complaining about hair multiplication. But the fact is this: ICX-TRC IS BECOMING A REALITY.

FACT: ICX-TRC is deemed safe, with absolutely no concerns about bruising, scars, tumors, cysts, or anything else.

FACT: In the latest subgroup 100% regrew hair, with between 13-105% regrowth after only 6 or 12 weeks and only one injection. These hairs have been deemed “visible” with the results “encouraging”.

FACT: This is a “rolling” trial, which means efficacy will be optimized as new formulations and techniques are tested. In other words, the final formulation can only improve from here.

FACT: Intercytex believes BOTH follicular neogenesis AND regeneration is occuring with their product. This means ICX-TRC will help everyone grow hair, from a Norwood 1 to a Norwood 7.

FACT: Hair counts are not the single most informative number to report, especially when the test areas are small. Percentages are the simplest single datum to report, reflecting both the baseline and regrowth levels, as well as allowing for extrapolation to larger areas. (BTW, it is entirely possible that massive regrowth was achieved in areas outside the small test areas.)

FACT: Intercytex is setting up the infrastructure to mass-market their product. They are setting up deals with Bosley, establishing in-house manufacturing, and fine-tuning their robotic system. When ICX-TRC is released, no specially-trained HT docs will be needed, just dermatologists, day spa specialists, nurses, and so forth. This will no doubt expedite commercialization.

FACT: Intercytex is determined to push their product to the market (just like their other products, such as Vavelta, which is being commercialized despite only Phase II results). Here is a sentence from their website: “Intercytex will manufacture ICX-TRC for Europe and the US from its own manufacturing facilities.” Notice the language: not “might” but “will”. Here’s another sentence: “This detailed analysis [from Phase II in 2008] will form the basis of further Phase II or Phase III trials as appropriate.” Again, notice the language: not “might” but “will”. Yes, Intercytex will push on with Phase II or III, depending on whether or not they feel they have optimized efficacy.

FACT: All of us have seen actual before/after photographs of someone who was injected with ICX-TRC. Remember all those hairs sprouting up?

So relax guys. Hair multiplication is not a pipe dream. It is becoming a reality.

I imagine in 2010 I will go to Europe, be injected, then watch hair grow. Then if I’m not satisfied, I’ll go back for more injections. Just like the “Fraxel” laser, or “Botox”, I’ll come back until gradually I achieve the appearance I desire.

A revolution is happening, my friends :smiley:

Best,
BB


#2

Agreed!


#3

I agree.

I think the ICX operation has been too focused on the commercialization aspects of this stuff (and already focusing on that issue too many years ago) for them not to be internally VERY sure that they’ll have something decent to sell out of it all.

It still may be of limited effectiveness for years, that’s true. But even so, they think they’re gonna get a lot of money out of a lot of men.

Look at body hair transplants: BHTs are very inconsistent too, but they can work and they offer several thousand new grafts. But the BHT bargain has clearly not been enough to pull a large-scale amount of money from the HT community at all. So it stands to reason that ICX must be confident of producing something significantly better than BHTs, given the amount of commercial set-up work they’re doing.


#4

BHT’s were a dissapointment.

I only seen three or four noteworthy results and one very good result. Other than that…alot of men spending alot of money for little growth.

Theoretically it would seem many of thousands of hairs would have been available for “hairy” men that would grow longer like Justin’s did for Dr. Woods, but it just didn’t pan out in the aggregate. As Cole’s density study showed, more than thirty grafts per square centimeter gave bad yields, and thirty hairs per square centimeter (most BHT grafts are one hairs, sometimes two) just aint enough.

ICX and aderans are working on something much greater. My hope is that the injects will distribute DNA to existing hairs or at least influence existing hairs to be much more donor-like, so that men never lose them with ensuing rounds of injects over the years…thus a full head of donor-like hair created as a preventive measure for young men.


#5

» I agree.
»
» I think the ICX operation has been too focused on the commercialization
» aspects of this stuff (and already focusing on that issue too many years
» ago) for them not to be internally VERY sure that they’ll have something
» decent to sell out of it all.
»
» It still may be of limited effectiveness for years, that’s true. But even
» so, they think they’re gonna get a lot of money out of a lot of men.
»
»
»
»
» Look at body hair transplants: BHTs are very inconsistent too, but they
» can work and they offer several thousand new grafts. But the BHT bargain
» has clearly not been enough to pull a large-scale amount of money from the
» HT community at all. So it stands to reason that ICX must be confident of
» producing something significantly better than BHTs, given the amount of
» commercial set-up work they’re doing.

body hair is extremely unpredictable, and mostly a failture, there are isolated cases which are great successes, however in general its not that great


#6

» Hey all,
»
» FACT: In the latest subgroup 100% regrew hair, with between 13-105%
» regrowth after only 6 or 12 weeks and only one injection. These hairs
» have been deemed “visible” with the results “encouraging”.
»

Would you pay 10K to get only 13%?? I would not… They absolutely need to get consistency

»
» FACT: Intercytex is determined to push their product to the market (just
» like their other products, such as Vavelta, which is being commercialized
» despite only Phase II results). Here is a sentence from their website:
» “Intercytex will manufacture ICX-TRC for Europe and the US from its
» own manufacturing facilities.” Notice the language: not “might” but “will”.
» Here’s another sentence: “This detailed analysis [from Phase II in 2008]
» will form the basis of further Phase II or Phase III trials as
» appropriate.” Again, notice the language: not “might” but “will”. Yes,
» Intercytex will push on with Phase II or III, depending on whether or not
» they feel they have optimized efficacy.
»

For sure they are determined to push their product. ICX is a tiny biotech and they would do anything to have a product on the market, this is called Survival my friend.

» A revolution is happening, my friends :smiley:
»
» Best,
» BB


#7

That’s the beauty of HM.
You can keep going back for injections until you get the results you want.
The amount of donor cells will be limitless.


#8

Maybe we were all in a hurry to say things and say its so close…

i am not very optimistic anymore…i am almost sure now that it will have to be combined with a transplant.I think we are looking at a filler for transplants which is good by the way many more people will be candidates.

I believe many people have to accept that and take control of their lifes without hoping for a cure in 2-3 years.The HM we were dreaming is far down the road…


#9

TheGreek,

Intercytex has been clear from the beginning – they plan on marketing ICX-TRC as a filler to be used behind a hair transplant. With FUE for the front and ICX-TRC for the back, for the price of a new car a Norwood 7 could have a reasonably full head of hair in 2010.

This is absolutely amazing guys, and this is what I’ve been hoping for from the beginning. The above scenario would be a great reality and it is what I am dreaming!

Best,
BB

» Maybe we were all in a hurry to say things and say its so close…
»
» i am not very optimistic anymore…i am almost sure now that it will have
» to be combined with a transplant.I think we are looking at a filler for
» transplants which is good by the way many more people will be candidates.
»
» I believe many people have to accept that and take control of their lifes
» without hoping for a cure in 2-3 years.The HM we were dreaming is far down
» the road…


#10

The only thing i am afraid is that the quality of these hairs are not good enough to stand on their own…they need to be behind transplanted hairs…What kind of hair are we gonna get, i dont wanna be bald but i dont want to have weird hair as well.

Are we gonna see something that is not gonna be aesthetically pleasing?BHT is not easthetically pleasing…even transplanted hair are not aesthtically pleasing we all have seen transplants from up close…:frowning:


#11

Transplanted hairs look just fine if you’ve got anywhere near enough of them to do the job. The top HT surgeons can get pretty near original density if you give them a huge supply of grafts and a couple sessions to do it.

The appearance/characteristics of the HM hairs are the next absolutely VITAL thing that we need to find out. IMHO it’s a lot more important than the release dates, or the regrowth rates, or the future DHT susceptibility, or the repeatability of the injection sites, or anything else you could name. The whole ICX effort is for nothing if the new hairs look sh*tty & obvious.

If the HM hairs are 100% normal, then I think I actually would pay $10K for 13% regrowth. It would be a ripoff but it still beats trying to pull off HTs with 13% less donor hair. Of course we all want full NW#7-NW#1 restorations, but anything is better than the current situation.


#12

Why can’t our hairs just be cloned… grown in the lab… and then implanted one-by-one the traditional FUE way?
Body tissue is being cloned all the time now.
Forget this “liquid solution” that has to be injected into the scalp. Too much trouble with "direction of growth."
Clone the hairs to maturity, and then just implant them ONE-BY-ONE as you would do with FUE. (No direction or density problems.)