Why it is so difficult to find a cure

[cal]

MPB, dogstar, hairman2,

Did any of you actually read the rest of my fcuking post back there? Like, the sentences that came after the “Is obesity a disease?” line?

My whole entire point was that it doesn’t really matter what you wanna call these things. Label them diseases, label them non-diseases, label them anything you want. They’re still undesirable conditions that virtually everyone wants to avoid for both social and medical reasons.

[gmonasco]

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The eye. Many, many people have to wear corrective lenses, or are even classified as legally blind, even though their eyes haven’t been afflicted by any particular disease – they just have a genetic background that results in defective eyesight.

[Iron_Man]

» Why it is so difficult to find a cure

Because it IS difficult?

[AJ1]

Myopia is considered a disease.

http://www.chg.duke.edu/diseases/myopia.html

[hairman2]

» MPB, dogstar, hairman2,
»
» Did any of you actually read the rest of my fcuking post back there?
» Like, the sentences that came after the “Is obesity a disease?”
» line?
»
» My whole entire point was that it doesn’t really matter what you wanna
» call these things. Label them diseases, label them non-diseases, label
» them anything you want. They’re still undesirable conditions that
» virtually everyone wants to avoid for both social and medical reasons.

actually we’re only trying to avoid it for social reasons… name a medical reason that anyone here is concerned about? Redistributing hair with HTs does not cure any medical conditions… it merely creates an illusion and rids of us social phobia.

[MPB]

» Yep. It’s definitely a disease. Name another body organ that fails due to
» genetics that is not considered a disease. The medical definition of
» disease clearly states that it is a disease. Some people have a hard time
» accepting that though, because it’s not life threatening (except in the
» cases of extreme psychological problems).

Exactly. Tooth decay isn’t life threatening yet it is considered a disease.

[hairman2]

» » Yep. It’s definitely a disease. Name another body organ that fails due
» to
» » genetics that is not considered a disease. The medical definition of
» » disease clearly states that it is a disease. Some people have a hard
» time
» » accepting that though, because it’s not life threatening (except in the
» » cases of extreme psychological problems).
»
»
» Exactly. Tooth decay isn’t life threatening yet it is considered a
» disease.

who ever said it has to be life threatening?? Wikipedia clearly states that it IMPAIRS BODILY functions… having less teeth definitely impairs bodily functions and is therefor CLEARLY a disease… losing your hair in a pre defined pattern, because that is what you are genetically programmed to look like at a mature age is however in my opinion not a disease.

Children are well known to have better hearing than adults in high frequency regions… this ability is lost with age… are they all disease infected?

when you grow old and your skin wrinkles… because the cells deteriorate and lose the ability to hold moisture… is the change from a young appearance to an old one disease related?

[rev]

Hair acts as a conditioning system. It prevents sunburn during warm days, and it keeps our heads from freezing during the winter… considering we can lose upto 55% of body heat through the head having some hair up top suddenly becomes a valid “medical reason.” to have it.

Furthermore, social phobias and other mental disorders are considered valid and serious medical conditions these days. In 2010 we tend to shun people that trivialize such conditions. If hairloss is a leading contributor to social phobias than it stands to reason it requires management for medical reasons.

» hairman2:
» actually we’re only trying to avoid it for social reasons… name a medical
» reason that anyone here is concerned about? Redistributing hair with HTs
» does not cure any medical conditions… it merely creates an illusion and
» rids of us social phobia.

You are comparing aging, and loss of hearing sensitivity to hairloss; however, the former conditions occur to 100% of the population while the later occurs to a smaller percentage. If every young person started to bald in a predetermined manor and timeframe than perhaps your argument would hold some merit, but I think you can see -now- how it does not.

» hairman2:[/b
» who ever said it has to be life threatening?? Wikipedia clearly states
» that it IMPAIRS BODILY functions… having less teeth definitely impairs
» bodily functions and is therefor CLEARLY a disease… losing your hair in a
» pre defined pattern, because that is what you are genetically programmed to
» look like at a mature age is however in my opinion not a disease.
»
» Children are well known to have better hearing than adults in high
» frequency regions… this ability is lost with age… are they all disease
» infected?
»
» when you grow old and your skin wrinkles… because the cells deteriorate
» and lose the ability to hold moisture… is the change from a young
» appearance to an old one disease related?

[hairman2]

» Hair acts as a conditioning system. It prevents sunburn during warm days,
» and it keeps our heads from freezing during the winter… considering we
» can lose upto 55% of body heat through the head having some hair up top
» suddenly becomes a valid “medical reason.” to have it.
»
» Furthermore, social phobias and other mental disorders are considered
» valid and serious medical conditions these days. In 2010 we tend to shun
» people that trivialize such conditions. If hairloss is a leading
» contributor to social phobias than it stands to reason it requires
» management for medical reasons.
»
» » hairman2:
» » actually we’re only trying to avoid it for social reasons… name a
» medical
» » reason that anyone here is concerned about? Redistributing hair with
» HTs
» » does not cure any medical conditions… it merely creates an illusion
» and
» » rids of us social phobia.
»
»
»
» You are comparing aging, and loss of hearing sensitivity to hairloss;
» however, the former conditions occur to 100% of the population while the
» later occurs to a smaller percentage. If every young person started to bald
» in a predetermined manor and timeframe than perhaps your argument would
» hold some merit, but I think you can see -now- how it does not.
»
» » hairman2:[/b
» » who ever said it has to be life threatening?? Wikipedia clearly states
» » that it IMPAIRS BODILY functions… having less teeth definitely impairs
» » bodily functions and is therefor CLEARLY a disease… losing your hair in
» a
» » pre defined pattern, because that is what you are genetically programmed
» to
» » look like at a mature age is however in my opinion not a disease.
» »
» » Children are well known to have better hearing than adults in high
» » frequency regions… this ability is lost with age… are they all
» disease
» » infected?
» »
» » when you grow old and your skin wrinkles… because the cells
» deteriorate
» » and lose the ability to hold moisture… is the change from a young
» » appearance to an old one disease related?

nice post rev…
anyway I never said that there are no valid grounds to fight hairloss… the social phobia which many develop as they lose their hair is absolutely terrible! I can hardly imagine what it must be like for women. We both know that none of us are concerned about heat loss or sunburns issues.

Apart from that it is a common myth that we lose 55% of heat over our head. Since our head is only 10% of the body surface we wld have to lose something like 30x more heat per square inch on our heads compared to other body parts. (one of several myth-busting links here: Heat Loss Through the Head and Hypothermia | Wilderness Medicine Newsletter). But thats really not the point here.

I agree that skin aging and loss of hearing sensitivity happens for all individuals and therefor doesnt really compare to hairloss too well… but im sure there are genetic conditions like cellulite or what not which happen for some genetically unfortunate people and we still wouldnt classify as a disease.

anyway this is my last post on this topic because it REALLY doesnt matter if its a disease or not. The point we all agree on is that it SUCKS and we would like to do something against it!

[gmonasco]

<<You are comparing aging, and loss of hearing sensitivity to hairloss; however, the former conditions occur to 100% of the population while the
later occurs to a smaller percentage.>>

Not so. Everyone loses hair as they age; they just don’t necessarily lose it in the same quantities as those who experience male pattern hair loss/balding.

[rev]

You’re comparing hairloss associated with natural aging to androgenic alopecia. Androgenic alopecia is not a natural part of aging; it’s a disorder of incorrectly functioning organs (hair follicles are organs) which is the very definition of “disease”

» <<You are comparing aging, and loss of hearing sensitivity to hairloss;
» however, the former conditions occur to 100% of the population while the
» later occurs to a smaller percentage.>>

» Not so. Everyone loses hair as they age; they just don’t
» necessarily lose it in the same quantities as those who
» experience male pattern hair loss/balding.

[cal]

[gmonasco]

<<You’re comparing hairloss associated with natural aging to androgenic alopecia. Androgenic alopecia is not a natural part of aging; it’s a disorder of incorrectly functioning organs>>

A distinction without a difference. It’s like saying that if you get cancer when you’re young, it’s a “disease”; but if you get cancer when you’re elderly, it’s a “natural part of aging.”

[rev]

Wow. We’re still doing this?
Ok than, so how do you explain Progeria?

» A distinction without a difference. It’s like saying that if you get
» cancer when you’re young, it’s a “disease”; but if you get cancer when
» you’re elderly, it’s a “natural part of aging.”

» <<You’re comparing hairloss associated with natural aging to androgenic
» alopecia. Androgenic alopecia is not a natural part of aging; it’s a
» disorder of incorrectly functioning organs>>

[Dogstar]

I wouldn’t bother if I was you rev, it’s like banging your head against a brick wall. Obviously some people just can’t stand the idea that they may have a disease as the result of a genetic defect.

[Freddie555]

the only thing i can say about raegan is that by the time i’m old, i bet i will have better skin than he does.

[cal]

By the time you’re that age we will probably be able to buy ourselves better skin than he had.

His skin was not even that bad in that pic. Not for his true age. His face/skin just comes across as being surprisingly old because his hair signals a much younger man.