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The Future of Hair Loss


#1

I want everyone’s opinion on the future of hair loss treatments. BTW, I think I like this new poll feature.


#2

The 3rd and 4th questions seem like vague repetitions of what was answered in the first two.


#3

» The 3rd and 4th questions seem like vague repetitions of what was answered
» in the first two.

The 3rd and 4th questions are not necessarily repetitions of 1 and 2, but I can see that the questions might be vague. If you aren’t satisfied with this poll, then no one is stopping you from creating a new one.

I was just testing out the new Hairsite feature…and I think it will be really beneficial to us all. For example, if you looked at the forum a week ago, it seemed like ACell was being hailed as the new up-and-coming treatment. If you look at the poll today (18 responses and counting), it is obvious this is not the case.


#4

It’s interesting to see that the forum is always so upbeat but the poll tells a different story, most people have doubts according to the poll.


#5

if you could channel all the negative energy from 97 percent of the posters on here, we would no longer need to depend on foreign oil.

people convinced themselves long before any meaningful science was coming out, that hair loss will never be cured in their lifetime. While i understand the skepticism, i dont understand and dont want to understand the downright misery and longing for failure exhibited by a lot of the posters in this forum.

Ask me again in 20 years and i may have a different attitude but hopefully HOPEFULLY, we’ll all have a different attitude for the better in that time.


#6

»
» people convinced themselves long before any meaningful science was coming
» out, that hair loss will never be cured in their lifetime. While i
» understand the skepticism, i dont understand and dont want to understand
» the downright misery and longing for failure exhibited by a lot of the
» posters in this forum.

Convinced themselves? Meaningful science? What r u talking about? Surgery, Pills,Lotions,Dr Gho,Dr Balzan,Aderans & ICX have ALL FAILED.In 10 years of various attempts 2 help us we haven’t moved forward a single step.We r still in the same place.We have never had anything more than attention seeking business men with unproven ideas that r over hyped by desperate ppl like myself.
If it wasn’t 4 Benji this forum would have been a ghost town a long time ago. He keeps the never ending influx of new posters interested with his ”research discusions” that no 1 here is forced 2 read.Go & read the archives,look at how many ppl have come 2 this forum with so much optimism & left bitterly disappointed.
The harsh reality is,THERE IS NO,NOR WILL THERE EVER BE A CURE.
Best of luck 2 all of u.


#7

The wounding thing works. It’s just a matter of efficiency now. I’m NW7 so I need a lot of hair for any coverage. For some guys who aren’t bald (and I’ve seen pictures of guys on these forums who consider themselves bald and I think that they have seriously cool amount of hair) it would probably be a godsend. If I can increase the yield from a session, I’m optimistic I’ll get from NW7 to NW3 (my target) in the comfort of my own home.
Lots of ‘vague’ follicles appearing and it seems to be ongoing. In a couple of weeks I’m trying again using tannic acid as the inhibitor.
The interesting thing is the vague follicles appearing where my teenage hairline was 25 years ago. So chin up Bald Knight. We really are getting there.


#8

» The wounding thing works. It’s just a matter of efficiency now. I’m NW7 so
» I need a lot of hair for any coverage. For some guys who aren’t bald (and
» I’ve seen pictures of guys on these forums who consider themselves bald and
» I think that they have seriously cool amount of hair) it would probably be
» a godsend. If I can increase the yield from a session, I’m optimistic I’ll
» get from NW7 to NW3 (my target) in the comfort of my own home.
» Lots of ‘vague’ follicles appearing and it seems to be ongoing. In a
» couple of weeks I’m trying again using tannic acid as the inhibitor.
» The interesting thing is the vague follicles appearing where my teenage
» hairline was 25 years ago. So chin up Bald Knight. We really are getting
» there.

Hi Baccy - this is great news!!

Can you elaborate on what you mean by vauge follicles? - Do you have hairs growing where you were previously completley bald?

Also any thoughts on why Benji hasnt had any luck but you have?

Thanks for your time and input!


#9

»
» Can you elaborate on what you mean by vauge follicles? - Do you have hairs
» growing where you were previously completley bald?
»
» Also any thoughts on why Benji hasnt had any luck but you have?
»
» Thanks for your time and input!

Right. Vague follicles I mean small, barely visible light brown (as opposed to black) indentations. These are appearing all over the head but are smaller and vaguer on the crown of the head. Last few days, they’ve been appearing at my teenage hairline (probably been bald there for 23 years or so). A few of these follicles (including one or two at the hairline) are producing terminal hair but as I’m NW7, nothing I can use yet. I keep it shaved for neatness. But it is exciting enough for me to try again using a different agent for inhibition. You see, I think I phucked up with the EGF inhibition last time. Early in the experiment, I had the misapprehension that Quercetin would be good as an inhibitor. As it turned out, I discovered part way through the experiment that it also inhibited wnt signaling (upregulation of this during wound healing is essential for follicle formation). I then switched to milk thistle as the inhibitor.
I’m trying tannic acid as the EGF inhibitor this time around. I’m also going to depilate 3 days before.
I’ve no idea why I have had these results and Benji hasn’t. Maybe having a shaved head and nothing to lose, I was more thorough with the wounding. My head was a mess. That is not to say that it’s necessary to be as rough as I did it. But I did the entire scalp in one go, basically one large wound. According to the patent, size of wound is important.

My next round will consist of depilation, wait 3 days. Then I’m trying Nioxin Scalp Renew as the dermabrasion treatment. Then wait for it to start healing and apply my Phase One topical. This will be 1% to 3% tannic acid, a bit of lithium orotate and some caffeine mixed into a couple teaspoons DMSO. This mixture will then be mixed into a 100ml bottle of pure emu oil.
After about 14 days application (up to about Day 17 postwounding) I will introduce minoxidil into the topical. I abstain from minox until this time as I don’t want the alcohol to interfere with epithelization.
About Day 21, I cease with the EGF inhibition but continue with minox, caffeine and possibly lithium.
Hope this helps m8. Be assured that if I post pictures, it will be worth seeing. Until then, I’m watching my bare scalp closely.


#10

» »
» » Can you elaborate on what you mean by vauge follicles? - Do you have
» hairs
» » growing where you were previously completley bald?
» »
» » Also any thoughts on why Benji hasnt had any luck but you have?
» »
» » Thanks for your time and input!
»
» Right. Vague follicles I mean small, barely visible light brown (as
» opposed to black) indentations. These are appearing all over the head but
» are smaller and vaguer on the crown of the head. Last few days, they’ve
» been appearing at my teenage hairline (probably been bald there for 23
» years or so). A few of these follicles (including one or two at the
» hairline) are producing terminal hair but as I’m NW7, nothing I can use
» yet. I keep it shaved for neatness. But it is exciting enough for me to try
» again using a different agent for inhibition. You see, I think I phucked up
» with the EGF inhibition last time. Early in the experiment, I had the
» misapprehension that Quercetin would be good as an inhibitor. As it turned
» out, I discovered part way through the experiment that it also inhibited
» wnt signaling (upregulation of this during wound healing is essential for
» follicle formation). I then switched to milk thistle as the inhibitor.
» I’m trying tannic acid as the EGF inhibitor this time around. I’m also
» going to depilate 3 days before.
» I’ve no idea why I have had these results and Benji hasn’t. Maybe having a
» shaved head and nothing to lose, I was more thorough with the wounding. My
» head was a mess. That is not to say that it’s necessary to be as rough as I
» did it. But I did the entire scalp in one go, basically one large wound.
» According to the patent, size of wound is important.
»
» My next round will consist of depilation, wait 3 days. Then I’m trying
» Nioxin Scalp Renew as the dermabrasion treatment. Then wait for it to start
» healing and apply my Phase One topical. This will be 1% to 3% tannic acid,
» a bit of lithium orotate and some caffeine mixed into a couple teaspoons
» DMSO. This mixture will then be mixed into a 100ml bottle of pure emu oil.
» After about 14 days application (up to about Day 17 postwounding) I will
» introduce minoxidil into the topical. I abstain from minox until this time
» as I don’t want the alcohol to interfere with epithelization.
» About Day 21, I cease with the EGF inhibition but continue with minox,
» caffeine and possibly lithium.
» Hope this helps m8. Be assured that if I post pictures, it will be worth
» seeing. Until then, I’m watching my bare scalp closely.

Baccy - cheers for the reply. I really hope this works for you - for all of our sakes!

Just two more questions - Do you think these are new hairs or regenerated? -

And is there any possibility these hairs could have always been there but you didnt notice them until you looked closely post wounding?

Thanks again for yr help.


#11

Believe me, I’ve been looking closely at my scalp ever since I removed my rug in 2003 and I know what is new up there. There IS definitely something happening. I don’t think any of us can say whether these are new or rejuvenated and frankly I don’t care. But results are seen mere days after wounding and continue to progress from there. What I’m saying is that I was under the misconception that after about 21 to 25 days, the results you have are what you’ll get. But I believe the new/rejuvenated follicles continue to develop after this timespan. I’m helping it along with caffeine and lithium mixed in minox. And I also apply copper peptides a couple of times a day.
These little specks are appearing all over the top of my head but are larger and stronger and capable of terminal hair growth particularly down the top centre of my scalp and middle front hairline. I think follicle proliferation down the sides is struggling due to me having a rug glued there for 12 years.
If I can get some coverage with this, then it IS the cure because I will be going from zero hair to an acceptable amount.
If as a result of the first experiment and the upcoming one, I get cosmetically noticeable results, I’ll get my m8 to photograph my noggin with his digital cam and we’ll all be very happy men. But I don’t think that it warrants pictures yet, despite my excitement.


#12

» Believe me, I’ve been looking closely at my scalp ever since I removed my
» rug in 2003 and I know what is new up there. There IS definitely something
» happening. I don’t think any of us can say whether these are new or
» rejuvenated and frankly I don’t care. But results are seen mere days after
» wounding and continue to progress from there. What I’m saying is that I was
» under the misconception that after about 21 to 25 days, the results you
» have are what you’ll get. But I believe the new/rejuvenated follicles
» continue to develop after this timespan. I’m helping it along with caffeine
» and lithium mixed in minox. And I also apply copper peptides a couple of
» times a day.
» These little specks are appearing all over the top of my head but are
» larger and stronger and capable of terminal hair growth particularly down
» the top centre of my scalp and middle front hairline. I think follicle
» proliferation down the sides is struggling due to me having a rug glued
» there for 12 years.
» If I can get some coverage with this, then it IS the cure because I will
» be going from zero hair to an acceptable amount.
» If as a result of the first experiment and the upcoming one, I get
» cosmetically noticeable results, I’ll get my m8 to photograph my noggin
» with his digital cam and we’ll all be very happy men. But I don’t think
» that it warrants pictures yet, despite my excitement.

Baccy,

Great news! At least it’s going in the right direction. Did you take any “before” pictures in case “after” pictures are warranted??

Thanks,
Bill


#13

»
» Convinced themselves? Meaningful science? What r u talking about? Surgery,
» Pills,Lotions,Dr Gho,Dr Balzan,Aderans & ICX have ALL FAILED.In 10 years of
» various attempts 2 help us we haven’t moved forward a single step.We r
» still in the same place.We have never had anything more than attention
» seeking business men with unproven ideas that r over hyped by desperate ppl
» like myself.
» If it wasn’t 4 Benji this forum would have been a ghost town a long time
» ago. He keeps the never ending influx of new posters interested with his
» ”research discusions” that no 1 here is forced 2 read.Go & read the
» archives,look at how many ppl have come 2 this forum with so much optimism
» & left bitterly disappointed.
» The harsh reality is,THERE IS NO,NOR WILL THERE EVER BE A CURE.
» Best of luck 2 all of u.

you my friend, are a hypocrit. You are not utterly convinced enough of your own words to stop coming to this forum hoping for a cure, but knocking everything thats posted.
I wish you the best of luck however as well.


#14

»
» Great news! At least it’s going in the right direction. Did you take any
» “before” pictures in case “after” pictures are warranted??
»
» Thanks,
» Bill

No ‘before’ pictures because I’m as bald as a coot and any results will be clearly visible. I’m not going to try to convince anyone of the procedure. If it works I’ll post pictures and the rest of the guys can make of it what they will. Some people would still cry foul even if I got a full NW0 head of hair back. My joy will be too unconfined to worry about convincing other forum members of any results.
I’ll post pictures if and when there’s anything worth seeing.
I’m really looking forward to my next experiment, hopefully in a couple of weeks. I’m just awaiting the tannic acid.


#15

Today there are many hair loss treatment, product are available but how one can choose the best? I have heard about the propecia also but same will it prove best hair loss treatment for me?


#16

This forum is to discuss treatments that are not yet available as products. You need to post your question in the other forums on existing treatment options.

None of the existing options are very powerful against MPB but they are better than nothing.


#17

» »
» » people convinced themselves long before any meaningful science was
» coming
» » out, that hair loss will never be cured in their lifetime. While i
» » understand the skepticism, i dont understand and dont want to
» understand
» » the downright misery and longing for failure exhibited by a lot of the
» » posters in this forum.
»
» Convinced themselves? Meaningful science? What r u talking about? Surgery,
» Pills,Lotions,Dr Gho,Dr Balzan,Aderans & ICX have ALL FAILED.In 10 years of
» various attempts 2 help us we haven’t moved forward a single step.We r
» still in the same place.We have never had anything more than attention
» seeking business men with unproven ideas that r over hyped by desperate ppl
» like myself.
» If it wasn’t 4 Benji this forum would have been a ghost town a long time
» ago. He keeps the never ending influx of new posters interested with his
» ”research discusions” that no 1 here is forced 2 read.Go & read the
» archives,look at how many ppl have come 2 this forum with so much optimism
» & left bitterly disappointed.
» The harsh reality is,THERE IS NO,NOR WILL THERE EVER BE A CURE.
» Best of luck 2 all of u.

LOL. Go educate yourself buddy. Do you realize how far science and modern medicine have progressed just in the last 30 years?


#18

Most of this thread is two years old.


#19

» Most of this thread is two years old.

Lol you are right :wink:

Iam so stupid

@Bacchy : Sorry i wanna see Before Pics otherweise it didnt happen