Question to the guys in this forum?

Supplements for hair loss
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» Hi to everyone posting in this thread including Natural,HanginThere,etc. As
» a now 11 YEAR VETERAN of Hairsite.com I’d like to share my opinion with you
» in regards to natural supplements of any kind having a positive effect on
» hairloss. Ive read about everything under the sun about natural supplements
» dating back to February of 2000. Thats a LOT of researching.
» Unfortunately,in ALL THAT TIME,ive never heard of ANY natural thing working
» for more that 1 or 2% of hairloss sufferers TOPS. And of that 1% or 2% the
» ONLY positive effect ive seen is baby fine hairs that go NOWHERE. Im not
» bashing anyone here. Rather the opposite,I applaud anyone who has the guts
» to try to rely on natural ingredients alone. Its a long,tough,albeit
» Courageous road to take. One that di NOT work for me or anyone i know.
» Despite this,I STILL seriously wish you all the best because obviously a
» natural solution is the best route to go. Who knows what stuff like
» Propecia,Dutasteride,RU,etc will have wayyy down the line. Good luck
» everyone,I know how hard hairloss is to go through and unlike Cancer,if you
» have the guts to even tell someone you are really depressed over
» hairloss,you get laughed at or told to just “get over it” Best regards, J.

There some options open to people to balance their hormones via Epilobium and hence reduce hairfall:
http://www.epilobium.com/research1.html

The area which is getting quite exciting is that of topicals - there is alot of work being done on regeneration.

So it goes beyond Minox and SOD’s which work on vasodilation and inflammation.

Pete

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Hi The Natural and Pete2,How are you doing guys? Thanks for the info in the last two posts. Ive seen so much info on what might happen,what could happen,what probably will happen,whats “just five years down the line”. Unless something with the proving power of Minoxidil is widely released,that works hopefully even BETTER than Minox,Im just going to stick to my current,very successful routine instead. What we need is a huge pharmacutical company to back ,test and release a USEFUL topical that works for more than just 20% or 30% of its users. Its such a frustrating topic of discussion because SO many people are losing more and more hair every day,becoming BALD and there seems to be no real across the board useful topical out there OR on the horizon. Take it from me,Ive heard the statement “a new,INCREDIBLE topical is just four years away” EVERY YEAR since February of 2000. Not to mention that the only real solution at this point,SEEMS to be hair transplantation and thats so darn expensive. Rediculously expensive and what if you run out of donor hair. In the long run,when we go completely bald,we end up with what 30-35% of te hair we used to have?? How is that 35% supposed to cover ALL of the bald areas that we end up with? Nobody EVER wants to talk about that. Every person who ever posts in the transpant forum ALWAYS ignores that fact. Just wishing it away I guess. I still wish all of you the best and thanks for posting. Regards, J

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I will never forget the time when my doctor recommended that I use Propecia, because he could see that my hair was thinning quite badly. When I visited him a year later, after having been on curcumin, resveratrol, and tocotrienols, even he had to admit that my natural regimen was working “quite well.”

Needless to say, he has not recommended finasteride to me again.

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" What we need is a huge pharmacutical company to back ,test and release a USEFUL topical that works for more than just 20% or 30% of its users"

I believe we will be waiting a long time for the pharmas to release anything that deals with the underlying factors.

“Take it from me,Ive heard the statement “a new,INCREDIBLE topical is just four years away” EVERY YEAR since February of 2000.”

I believe we will see something shortly, have faith - All the signs are there !

Will update you when I find something worth shouting about topically - and when it arrives it will be worth shouting about :slight_smile:

take care
Pete

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Hey Natural

could you post any photos of your current hair situation?

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if u take my advise , just use Beta S for 3 years and atleast i am sure u can see a 30% new hair sprouting near ur temples , not sure of the crown coz i never Lost any hair there , but if u think just using for a few months will work wonders , just forget it , it wont , plus u get a additional benefit of Lower LDL cholesterol , Low blood sugar , high Immunity Levels , and a good crop on ur head .
\rgds

» " What we need is a huge pharmacutical company to back ,test and release a
» USEFUL topical that works for more than just 20% or 30% of its users"
»
» I believe we will be waiting a long time for the pharmas to release
» anything that deals with the underlying factors.
»
»
»
» “Take it from me,Ive heard the statement “a new,INCREDIBLE topical is just
» four years away” EVERY YEAR since February of 2000.”
»
»
» I believe we will see something shortly, have faith - All the signs are
» there !
»
» Will update you when I find something worth shouting about topically - and
» when it arrives it will be worth shouting about :slight_smile:
»
»
»
» take care
» Pete

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» Hey Natural
»
» could you post any photos of your current hair situation?

quaterhead,

Unfortunately, I don’t have a good camera for such purposes. And even if I did, what we actually would want are before and after pictures to show the progression.

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Do not take beta sitsterol in the doses that this Mike character recommends.

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Natural u r a complete BU***** , have u ever posted any of ur pics , regarding ur stu*** regimen , u just know how to talk ppl away from this board , coz u r linking to some silly sales shop for ur products , take time to research the net and then speak of ur stu*** regimen, u havent grown any hair, if u have we need proof , and 375 MG is VERY safe , in margarines all over the world they put 1 Gram per serving , also go and watch the reviews on iherb.com
website and see more than 200 reviews , dont behave like god , u know NO S*** , and yet profess u r the Hair Uncle of the Baldies , see the foods with 1 gram , Milk , Yogurts , Chocolate Bars , Orange Minute Maid drinks, Olive Oil , and even Breads … u think all these companies with biggest Brands did no researech on the Safety of their products ? and will the FDA allow them to market theses products if they were Unsafe? GROW UP NATURAL , u the Most Un-Natural Person on this Planet :smiley:
» Do not take beta sitsterol in the doses that this Mike character
» recommends.

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Mike, your posts are damn near incoherent. But then again, beta sitosterol is known to make its users a little woozy :yes: .

This is a disclaimer from the Source Naturals website. Read it slowly:

“This website is for informational purposes only. Always check the actual product label in your possession for the most accurate ingredient information due to product changes or upgrades that may not yet be reflected on our web site. The statements made in this website have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. The products offered are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you believe that you may have a disease condition, please consult your health care practitioner immediately, and before using any dietary supplement product. Thank you for your interest in Source Naturals products.”

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hahaha u surely are some kid living in wonderland , EVERY Supplement / DRug carries this as a Safety Measure , even aspirin has these Disclaimers , coz its a Rule , even Herbal Products out of India / China carry these , coz its Mandatory … every supplement has these on its Packages … GROW UP KIDDO ,u wrote : . The products offered are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.THIS IS Because its been sold as a SUPPLEMENT and NOT AS A “PRESCRIPTION” DRUG … By Joe which School did u go?

Rgds
» Mike, your posts are damn near incoherent. But then again, beta sitosterol
» is known to make its users a little woozy :yes: .
»
»
» This is a disclaimer from the Source Naturals website. Read it slowly:
»
» “This website is for informational purposes only. Always check the actual
» product label in your possession for the most accurate ingredient
» information due to product changes or upgrades that may not yet be
» reflected on our web site. The statements made in this website have not
» been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. The products
» offered are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
» If you believe that you may have a disease condition, please consult your
» health care practitioner immediately, and before using any dietary
» supplement product. Thank you for your interest in Source Naturals
» products.”

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Incoherent and ignorant, you are Mike.

Where does the FDA state that this Source Natural supplement is “safe.” Be so kind as to direct me to this statement.

Further, since the FDA has not approved this supplement for hair loss treatment, all we have to go by are the testimonies from people in hair loss forums, of which an overwhelming majority state that:

A. It was ineffective (e.g. shedding)

and/or

B. It caused side effects (e.g. itchiness, lowered libido, brain fog)

Next time, educate yourself, Huckleberry, before you come to this forum.

Fool.

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I am Incoherent or you are Ass**** , why dont u google and research the beta sitosterol and hairloss conection , have u ever heard of DHT , and regarding ur regimen , where does it state that a silly Japenese Knotweed grows Hair …hahahaha , and Turmeric extracts are better Known for their Antiseptic values not for growing hair , go and read some ancient Indian Literature , if that were the case there wud be NO BALDIES IN INDIA …LOL ,
and if Vit C wud grow Hair we wud all be sipping Tons of Orange Juices and there wud be Their Topicals Butthead , Vit D wow , why dont u get it from the sun ? do u know getting it from Sun is More Potent ? then all Baldies wud rush to the Beaches and Hence No hairloss , Hairloss is Linked to Testerone and its By product DHT , thats why Masturbation is strictly controlled so that we dont Raise our coversion Levels to produce more DHT and thereby Kill our hair follicles , so is the SLS in Shampoos that Irritate our scalp and hence More Hairloss , and so is Inflammation , hence we need Zinc topicals , and so its Beta sitosterol for Lowering the DHT , and so is Grape seed extracts so that we can elongate on the vellous hair as grape seed has faboulous Healing properties connected to inflammation … stupid fool thinking Turmeric will grow him hair …LOL , USE GOOGLE and Let me know the Connection between Beta Sitosterol and Hairloss … U mad Professor .
Also if it wasnt safe , u just look at 1 company that sells (Beta Sitosterol) , why dont u research and see How many other companies are Selling Plant Sterols in Milk , Chocolates, Candies … and Mind you in all of them the active Ingredient is Beta Sitosterol . Chimney Head go out and Read the World , Just dont smoke Ash without a Wood of Knowledge .

» Incoherent and ignorant, you are Mike.
»
» Where does the FDA state that this Source Natural supplement is “safe.” Be
» so kind as to direct me to this statement.
»
» Further, since the FDA has not approved this supplement for hair loss
» treatment, all we have to go by are the testimonies from people in hair
» loss forums, of which an overwhelming majority state that:
»
» A. It was ineffective (e.g. shedding)
»
» and/or
»
» B. It caused side effects (e.g. itchiness, lowered libido, brain fog)
»
» Next time, educate yourself, Huckleberry, before you come to this forum.
»
» Fool.

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Hahaha Natural’s Turmeric root Assault …
Turmeric side effects, adverse events, caution
Various cultures, particularly people living in India, have used turmeric powder for centuries or millennia. Turmeric supplements have been available much less time as medicinal drugs in Western countries.Taking too many turmeric capsules may increase body temperature.Some people may be taking turmeric curcumin capsules , Side effects of high dose turmeric curcumin use of several months or years is not clear. There is a possibility that high dose turmeric ingestion leads to high oxalic acid in the urine leading to kidney stones.
Effect of turmeric on urinary oxalate excretion, plasma lipids, and plasma glucose in healthy subjects
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, May 2008. Minghua Tang, D Enette Larson-Meyer and Michael Liebman. From the Department of Family and Consumer Sciences (Human Nutrition), University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY
High oxalate intake resulting from consuming supplemental doses of turmeric may increase risk of hyperoxaluria, a significant risk factor for urolithiasis.
The consumption of supplemental doses of turmeric, can significantly increase urinary oxalate levels, thereby increasing risk of kidney stone formation in individuals.

» I am Incoherent or you are Ass**** , why dont u google and research the
» beta sitosterol and hairloss conection , have u ever heard of DHT , and
» regarding ur regimen , where does it state that a silly Japenese Knotweed
» grows Hair …hahahaha , and Turmeric extracts are better Known for their
» Antiseptic values not for growing hair , go and read some ancient Indian
» Literature , if that were the case there wud be NO BALDIES IN INDIA …LOL ,
»
» and if Vit C wud grow Hair we wud all be sipping Tons of Orange Juices and
» there wud be Their Topicals Butthead , Vit D wow , why dont u get it from
» the sun ? do u know getting it from Sun is More Potent ? then all Baldies
» wud rush to the Beaches and Hence No hairloss , Hairloss is Linked to
» Testerone and its By product DHT , thats why Masturbation is strictly
» controlled so that we dont Raise our coversion Levels to produce more DHT
» and thereby Kill our hair follicles , so is the SLS in Shampoos that
» Irritate our scalp and hence More Hairloss , and so is Inflammation , hence
» we need Zinc topicals , and so its Beta sitosterol for Lowering the DHT ,
» and so is Grape seed extracts so that we can elongate on the vellous hair
» as grape seed has faboulous Healing properties connected to inflammation
» … stupid fool thinking Turmeric will grow him hair …LOL , USE GOOGLE
» and Let me know the Connection between Beta Sitosterol and Hairloss … U
» mad Professor .
» Also if it wasnt safe , u just look at 1 company that sells (Beta
» Sitosterol) , why dont u research and see How many other companies are
» Selling Plant Sterols in Milk , Chocolates, Candies … and Mind you in
» all of them the active Ingredient is Beta Sitosterol . Chimney Head go out
» and Read the World , Just dont smoke Ash without a Wood of Knowledge .
»
» » Incoherent and ignorant, you are Mike.
» »
» » Where does the FDA state that this Source Natural supplement is “safe.”
» Be
» » so kind as to direct me to this statement.
» »
» » Further, since the FDA has not approved this supplement for hair loss
» » treatment, all we have to go by are the testimonies from people in hair
» » loss forums, of which an overwhelming majority state that:
» »
» » A. It was ineffective (e.g. shedding)
» »
» » and/or
» »
» » B. It caused side effects (e.g. itchiness, lowered libido, brain fog)
» »
» » Next time, educate yourself, Huckleberry, before you come to this forum.
» »
» » Fool.

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MORE Good News on Naturals Turmeric Root for HAAIIRRRR
Increased Bleeding
Turmeric may raise the risk of abnormal bleeding by inhibiting blood platelets. Anyone with a bleeding disorder should be cautious about using turmeric root. Turmeric also may elevate the risk of bleeding in people taking medications or herbs with blood-thinning effects, such as aspirin, warfarin and Ginkgo biloba. People should stop taking turmeric root before having surgery.

Gallbladder and Liver Effects
Turmeric may cause gallbladder contraction, so patients with gallstones may not be able to take this herb safely. In animal studies, high doses of turmeric have caused liver problems, but this effect has not been seen in humans.

Allergic Reaction
Some people may experience an allergic reaction to turmeric. Signs include a rash or hives, difficulty breathing or swallowing and facial or mouth swelling. Individuals allergic to turmeric may develop an itchy rash after applying it to the skin. People allergic to plants in the genus Curcuma or the ginger family, or to yellow food dyes, may be allergic to turmeric root.

AND BABY LOLLIPOP NO WHERE ON THE INET RESEARCH DOES IT SAY THAT TURMERIC ROOT GROWS HAAAIIIRRRR :slight_smile: :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley: :expressionless: :frowning:

» Hahaha Natural’s Turmeric root Assault …
» Turmeric side effects, adverse events, caution
» Various cultures, particularly people living in India, have used turmeric
» powder for centuries or millennia. Turmeric supplements have been available
» much less time as medicinal drugs in Western countries.Taking too many
» turmeric capsules may increase body temperature.Some people may be taking
» turmeric curcumin capsules , Side effects of high dose turmeric curcumin
» use of several months or years is not clear. There is a
» possibility that high dose turmeric ingestion leads to high oxalic acid in
» the urine leading to kidney stones.
» Effect of turmeric on urinary oxalate excretion, plasma lipids, and plasma
» glucose in healthy subjects
» American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, May 2008. Minghua Tang, D Enette
» Larson-Meyer and Michael Liebman. From the Department of Family and
» Consumer Sciences (Human Nutrition), University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY
» High oxalate intake resulting from consuming supplemental
» doses of turmeric may increase risk of hyperoxaluria, a significant risk
» factor for urolithiasis.
» The consumption of supplemental doses of turmeric, can
» significantly increase urinary oxalate levels, thereby increasing risk of
» kidney stone formation in individuals.
»
»
» » I am Incoherent or you are Ass**** , why dont u google and research the
» » beta sitosterol and hairloss conection , have u ever heard of DHT , and
» » regarding ur regimen , where does it state that a silly Japenese
» Knotweed
» » grows Hair …hahahaha , and Turmeric extracts are better Known for
» their
» » Antiseptic values not for growing hair , go and read some ancient Indian
» » Literature , if that were the case there wud be NO BALDIES IN INDIA …LOL
» ,
» »
» » and if Vit C wud grow Hair we wud all be sipping Tons of Orange Juices
» and
» » there wud be Their Topicals Butthead , Vit D wow , why dont u get it
» from
» » the sun ? do u know getting it from Sun is More Potent ? then all
» Baldies
» » wud rush to the Beaches and Hence No hairloss , Hairloss is Linked to
» » Testerone and its By product DHT , thats why Masturbation is strictly
» » controlled so that we dont Raise our coversion Levels to produce more
» DHT
» » and thereby Kill our hair follicles , so is the SLS in Shampoos that
» » Irritate our scalp and hence More Hairloss , and so is Inflammation ,
» hence
» » we need Zinc topicals , and so its Beta sitosterol for Lowering the DHT
» ,
» » and so is Grape seed extracts so that we can elongate on the vellous
» hair
» » as grape seed has faboulous Healing properties connected to inflammation
» » … stupid fool thinking Turmeric will grow him hair …LOL , USE GOOGLE
» » and Let me know the Connection between Beta Sitosterol and Hairloss …
» U
» » mad Professor .
» » Also if it wasnt safe , u just look at 1 company that sells (Beta
» » Sitosterol) , why dont u research and see How many other companies are
» » Selling Plant Sterols in Milk , Chocolates, Candies … and Mind you in
» » all of them the active Ingredient is Beta Sitosterol . Chimney Head go
» out
» » and Read the World , Just dont smoke Ash without a Wood of Knowledge .
» »
» » » Incoherent and ignorant, you are Mike.
» » »
» » » Where does the FDA state that this Source Natural supplement is “safe.”
»
» » Be
» » » so kind as to direct me to this statement.
» » »
» » » Further, since the FDA has not approved this supplement for hair loss
» » » treatment, all we have to go by are the testimonies from people in
» hair
» » » loss forums, of which an overwhelming majority state that:
» » »
» » » A. It was ineffective (e.g. shedding)
» » »
» » » and/or
» » »
» » » B. It caused side effects (e.g. itchiness, lowered libido, brain fog)
» » »
» » » Next time, educate yourself, Huckleberry, before you come to this
» forum.
» » »
» » » Fool.

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Let me state again for the record that you are very ignorant, Mike. Educate yourself, fool.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090047371

PHARMACEUTICAL COMPOSITION COMPRISING CURCUMIN AND RESVERATROL AND USES THEREOF IN MEDICAL FIELD

"The present invention deals with a pharmaceutical composition comprising curcumin and resveratrol and uses thereof in medical field. More specifically, the composition object of the invention can be advantageously employed for retarding ageing, for the prevention of vascular diseases, for the treatment and prevention of cancers as, for example, prostate carcinoma, skin diseases as psoriasis, and diseases of the piliferous system as hair loss.

Resveratrol is a polyphenol present in grapes, especially in its peel and in its seeds.

Curcumin is an extract of the root of the Curcumea Longa, a plant well known since a long time for its pharmaceutical properties. Nowadays curcumin is well known for its power of reducing cholesterol, its diuretic, choleretic, anti-inflammatory ability and for ameliorating the general conditions of patients treated with chemotherapy for neoplasia.

Particular feature of Curcumin is to belong to the capsaicinoids family, substances characterized by a pungent taste, similar to the one of pepper. From a point of view of molecular biology, the presence of a vanilloid receptor on the cell membrane and close to the mitochondrial structures can explain the induction of apoptosis or planned death of cells that would have become neoplastic. Moreover, in the Central Nervous System there are various receptors of capsaicinoids and this could explain the enhancement of the anti-aging action of resveratrol by curcumin.

The group of patients that has assumed only resveratrol didn’t show any modification on the PSA, while the group treated with resveratrol and curcumin showed with great surprise a reduction, sometimes also relevant, in variable time periods. Moreover, during this testing, the patients treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too.

Regarding its action on hair growth, even if not yet known, it is probably linked to the release of P substance. The growth and the pigmentation of the hair follicle would depend on mesenchymal-epithelium-neiroderic interactions not very well-known yet, where the P substance would stimulate the hair growth in vivo (RaIf Paus et al Investigation Labs, VoI 71, No 1 , p.135, 1994).

According to the invention, the pharmaceutical composition can comprise also vitamin E and/or wheat germs containing vitamin E. In fact, the powdered wheat germs are one of the richest natural resources of vitamin E (or tocopherol) and are one of the most effective antioxidants against free radicals, the aggressive substances that proliferate in our body because of the action of pollution, inaccurate diets, sun or just age.

According to another embodiment of the present invention, the pharmaceutical composition can also comprise Capsaicin and/or the fruit of capsicum annum, which contains capsaicin…"

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38

Again, where does the FDA state that 375 mg. of beta sitosterol is “safe.”

Now, you show me one study that states that beta sitosterol grows hair.

Fool.

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What herb can lower inflammation, reduce cholesterol levels, facilitate the metabolism of insulin, and remove heavy metals?

Curcumin (from turmeric, duh :stuck_out_tongue: )

http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcumin4-09.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTragedyofTumeric5-08.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcuminYetMoreEvidence4-09.html

Fool.

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Exactly thats what i am saying u ass**** , where does FDA STATE THAT CURCUMIN GROWS HAIR ? HAHAHAHHAA , AS FOR BETA S , WE HAVE CLINICAL TRIAL , SHI*tER

» What herb can lower inflammation, reduce cholesterol levels, facilitate the
» metabolism of insulin, and remove heavy metals?
»
» Curcumin (from turmeric, duh :stuck_out_tongue: )
»
»
» http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcumin4-09.html
»
» http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTragedyofTumeric5-08.html
»
» http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcuminYetMoreEvidence4-09.html
»
»
»
» Fool.