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Possible testing procedure for ACELL


#1

Jotronic has been kind enough to enter the debate on the use of ACELL with HT. Having the rep from possibly the world’s premiere clinic discuss this exciting development is much appreciated.

He mentioned using the strip IN the wound to try and create no-scar (and possibly a little hair).

This is exciting, and the alternative (leaving the strip open and applying the matrix to the open wound in the hope of regrowing the donor area with hair) just seems so invasive I can’t imagine any Doctor wanting to test it (or a patient wanting to risk it).

I have a feeling that it won’t be much use with FUE - obviously I have no evidence - it’s just a gut feeling - but I suspect FUE wounds are too small for it to do any good. I suspect it may prevent scarring, but I doubt you’d grow a single follicle in the hole, in which case you’d still get the gap.

So how about using an old technology to test it - namely the old “plug punch.” The plug can be broken down into follicular units so the patient still gets a normal result in the recipient.

However, the punch hole could be left open and ACELL applied. The hole may be big enough to test what happens with open wounds in the donor area. Yet if it doesn’t work and the patient is left with bare skin or somesuch, such wounds can easily be sutured shut at a later date or, alternatively, removed as part of a later strip. It’s a low risk way of testing the dust.

Opinions?


#2

There is also no ethical issues with this either, as leaving plug wounds open to heal was standard procedure in the bad old days. If they did it then, they could do it now - albeit with the ACELL material over the top.

Besides, I’m only talking 2 or 3 holes - even in a worst case scenario, such minor scars could easily be repaired or taken out at a later date.


#3

I think that you have a good idea. I think that all possible methods should be tested…with the the lowest risk methods first. We have already contacted many doctors about Acell and I will contact them again this week to inform them about the product.

I think that it would be good for you to contact these same doctors with your idea for testing the product. I think you should wait until next week…give it about a week after I contact them about the product (again). I am going to contact them tomorrow (8/6).

We have already established a list of doctors to contact. I will post this list again under this thread.

Take Care,
Bill


#4

Dastardly,

Here is the list of doctors to contact reguarding your possible testing method for Acell. They may have already thought about what you propose, but maybe they haven’t…it can’t hurt to try. I would form one stock e-mail and copy and paste it to your outgoing mail and just change the doctor’s name and possibly the subject (title) for each e-mail.

Thank You,
Bill

1 Dr. Arvind
hairadvise101@yahoodotcom
poswalarvind@yahoodotco.in

2 Dr.Hasson & Wong
info@hassonandwongdotcom
Joe@HassonandWongdotcom

3 Dr. Alvi Armani
info@alviarmanidotcom

4 Dr. Rahal
info@rahalhairtransplantdotcom
rahalhairtransplant@gmaildotcom

5 Dr. Bisanga
info@bhrclinicdotcom

6 Dr. Umar
drumar@dermhairclinicdotcom

7 Dr. Woods
drwoods@thewoodstechniquedotcom

8 Dr. Cole
consults@forhairdotcom
webmaster@forhairdotcom

9 HDC Medical Trichology Center
info@hdcdotcom.cy

10 Dr. Mwamba
customer.care@mywhtcdotcom

11 Dr. Shapiro
info@DrShapirosHairInstitutedotcom

12 Dr. Carl Bazan
doctor@itzandotcom

13 Dr. Coen Gho
info@ghoclinicprahadotcz

14 Dr. Matt Leavitt (Medical Hair Restoration)
Drmattl@Leavittmgtdotcom

15 NuHart Hair Clinic
info@nuhartdotcom

16 Global Hair Institute
info@globalhairinstitutedotcom

17 Dr. Bauman
doctorb@baumanmedicaldotcom

18 ISHRS
info@ishrsdotorg

19 Affordable Hair Transplants
info@affordablehairtransplantsdotcom

20 Dr. Paul McAndrews
doctor@hairgrowthdoctordotcom

21 Dr. Paul Rose
info@thehairlosscuredotcom

22 Norwood and Lehr
lehr@norwood-lehrdotcom

23 Dr. True (True and Dorin)
drtrue@hairlossdoctorsdotcom

24 Dr. Dorin (True and Dorin)
drdorin@hairlossdoctorsdotcom

25 AstheticMd
info@aestheticmddotcom

26 Gardel Hair Restoration
info@gardelhairdotcom

27 American Hair Institute
info@americanhairinstitutedotcom

28 Bosley
physicianrecruitment@bosleydotcom

29 David Flodine (Dr. Brandy)
dflodine@brandymddotcom

30 Mr. DeCarlo (Hairclub)
fdecarlo@hcfmwdotcom

31 Hair Transplant Center, Inc.
hair_grafts@yahoodotcom

32 Le Visage
cooperj28@yahoodotcom

33 Dr. Feller (Feller Medical)
info@fellermedicaldotcom

34 Dr. Greco
Grecophd@comcastdotnet

35 Dr. Batra’s clinics in India
http://www.drbatras.com/html/Our%20clinic.aspx
chandigarh@drbatrasdotcom
gurgaon@drbatrasdotcom
northkolkata@drbatrasdotcom
kamlanagar@drbatrasdotcom
southex@drbatrasdotcom
borivali@drbatrasdotcom

36 Dr. De Reys
info@prohairclinicdotcom

37 Huge list of doctors from the 2008 Berlin Hair Stem Cell Workshop
http://www.berlin-workshop.de/speaker.html
http://www.berlin-workshop.de/contact.html
ralf.paus@uk-shdotde
lauster@drfzdotde
lindner@drfzdotde

38 Dr Bernstein Medical
contact@bernsteinmedicaldotcom

39 FUE Hairtransplant GmbH - Hamburg / Germany
info@fue-hairtransplantdotcom

40 Dr. Bradley Wolf (Cincinnati, Ohio)

41 Dr. Angela Woods Campbell
woodsmd@thewoodstechniquedotcom

42 Dr. Nader
info@nadermedicaldotcom

43 Dr. Jones
info@drrobertjonesdotcom

44 Dr. Joseph M. Serletti (Chief of Plastic Surgery - University of Penn)
joseph.serletti@uphs.upenndotedu

45 Dr. Joseph Gallagher
jcg@drjgallagherdotcom

46 The American Hair Loss Council
info@ahlcdotorg

47 Dr. Stoller
info@stollermedicaldotcom

48 American Hair Loss Association
inquire@americanhairlossdotorg

49 Dr. Koher
kohercenter@triad.rrdotcom

50 Dr. Mark Albert
info@medhaircenterdotcom


#5

Fellas,

I’m not trying to be a party-pooper here but please keep in mind that currently the only results on human subjects has been from the treatment of diabetic ulcers. While the skin tissue was regenerated 100% and there was hair growing from this new skin it was very fine and very sparse according to the VP at Acell. Regrowing hair on the head with the kind of density and texture that we are all hoping for is a different deal altogether so try to keep your excitement tempered just a bit, at least for now. I only say this because I hate seeing people get excited over something only to be disappointed, especially with regards to restoring hair.

Also, NEVER EVER forget, the excitement you are feeling is a big green “go” flag for opportunists that want to capitalize on this new possible treatment. Anything you read about this or any other similar treatment (remember, Acell is not the only one), please take the claims with a grain of salt. Even if one or two successes come through you owe it to yourselves to see consistency before you turn yourself in for a treatment.

Just a word to the wise, my friends. Never let down your guard, it’s your head and you have to live with it forever. The clinics do not.


#6

» Fellas,
»
» I’m not trying to be a party-pooper here but please keep in mind that
» currently the only results on human subjects has been from the treatment of
» diabetic ulcers. While the skin tissue was regenerated 100% and there was
» hair growing from this new skin it was very fine and very sparse according
» to the VP at Acell. Regrowing hair on the head with the kind of density and
» texture that we are all hoping for is a different deal altogether so try to
» keep your excitement tempered just a bit, at least for now. I only say this
» because I hate seeing people get excited over something only to be
» disappointed, especially with regards to restoring hair.
»
» Also, NEVER EVER forget, the excitement you are feeling is a big green
» “go” flag for opportunists that want to capitalize on this new possible
» treatment. Anything you read about this or any other similar treatment
» (remember, Acell is not the only one), please take the claims with a grain
» of salt. Even if one or two successes come through you owe it to yourselves
» to see consistency before you turn yourself in for a treatment.
»
» Just a word to the wise, my friends. Never let down your guard, it’s your
» head and you have to live with it forever. The clinics do not.

At this point, no claims have been made. I’ve stressed that time after time. I can’t stress enough that Acell has made no claims reguarding their product and hair regrowth. They only said that they were confident that it may do so but would require testing to be proven.

The point to my posts are just to “get the word out there” to doctors in the HT field. I will leave it up to them (and their patients) to determine if Acell is worth investigating. Obviously, some of them do. I, nor Jotronic have the medical expertise to make a judgement on this product. I think that it is best left in the hands of medical experts to do so. Jotronic, at this point, has stated that H & W cannot test this product so it is all conjecture right now. I just want as many doctors to try this product as possible to determine it’s effectiveness (if at all). Time will tell.

Take Care,
Bill


#7

hey willy i havent lost faith that this may work, to at least rid any scarring resulting from transplants, this would be a huge benefit, transplants will always play a part even if icx works one day, you will need to build a soft feathered hairline via transplants, not everyone needs unlimited donor for restoration, if it were any one other than jones i would volunteer to test this, but i have a bad history with him and i dont soon forget getting done over,


#8

» Fellas,
»
» I’m not trying to be a party-pooper here but please keep in mind that
» currently the only results on human subjects has been from the treatment of
» diabetic ulcers. While the skin tissue was regenerated 100% and there was
» hair growing from this new skin it was very fine and very sparse according
» to the VP at Acell. Regrowing hair on the head with the kind of density and
» texture that we are all hoping for is a different deal altogether so try to
» keep your excitement tempered just a bit, at least for now. I only say this
» because I hate seeing people get excited over something only to be
» disappointed, especially with regards to restoring hair.
»
» Also, NEVER EVER forget, the excitement you are feeling is a big green
» “go” flag for opportunists that want to capitalize on this new possible
» treatment. Anything you read about this or any other similar treatment
» (remember, Acell is not the only one), please take the claims with a grain
» of salt. Even if one or two successes come through you owe it to yourselves
» to see consistency before you turn yourself in for a treatment.
»
» Just a word to the wise, my friends. Never let down your guard, it’s your
» head and you have to live with it forever. The clinics do not.

But it saddens me.About a year ago,everyone on the hm forum was convinced that the phase 2 ICX TRC trials would b a major success.U came 2 the forum & told everyone that it wasn’t working & u were abused 4 ur attempt to bring ppls expectations back 2 reality.
Later everyone would find out that ur comments about it not working were right.I hope this polite message is not ur way of gently letting us know that this wont work either.I hope ur wrong this time Mr Tillman.For my own sanity I hope u r wrong.I need scar repair more than I need air.


#9

» if it were any one other than jones i
» would volunteer to test this, but i have a bad history with him and i dont
» soon forget getting done over,

Oh no! My hopes & dreams just went out the window :frowning: