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#1

hey guys,
look i know how harsh hairloss is and how devastating it can be but jesus there has never been so many companies going for this one prize, and i believe (even if you dont) that in the next 2-5 years there will be something pretty revolutionary. do you seriously think that in any trial someone is just going to regrow a full head of hair ??? of course not. your pessimsim in based on this deluded fact that tomorow someone is going to have some magical cure X and all your hair will be back. I work in immunology and il tell you from my experience that histogen and aderans are pretty much getting there but your expectations are extreme !!! all this “is histogen compoundable?” “aderans have failed becasue they are using minox " follica have failed because they keep it close to the chest”. Investors dont throw money, millions of ££ are still ££ no matter how rich you are. Alot of people seem to have the opinion that these ££millions are just pittance to these people who will just blow money on nothing. And btw for any educated persons here none of these companies are obliged to tell you anything. Given histogens enthusiastic timeline (im not saying it will happen) aderans seemed to have stepped up quite a few gears, and follica is who you should really be watching behind histogen, im actually 90% sure i will be correct here. The company i work for are pretty much in the same vein as follica (different discipline) but why should we sacrifice our integrity for a bunch of pessimists who’s only acceptable solution is and INSTANT head of hair. Yes in the future this will happen but not right now, our current levels of understanding our own science is growing and getting very exciting. Im only posting this as advice as my own son is overly worried about going bald,and if he is predisposed it willl happen but sooner rather than later this will be a thing of the past. Also i have read about these other Adipose stem cell offering for hair regeneration, and still all this grave pessimism exists, Adipose stem cells DO NOT GROW NEW follicles but rather “bring to life whats already there” and none of these companies offering this sort of therapy are 100% yet. If you understand FDA process’s and european legislations on these matters there ARE laws in place governing gross advertising of any stem cell therapies in any E.U country/state. For instance you are cannot sue any companies in the E.U offering regenerative medicine(s) IYU. It has been proven Adipose-derived stem cells can be used to cultivate hair and other types of cells in the laboratory, and the result can then be injected into the scalp. This is a revolutionary technique compared to existing methods, and revolutionary as in “not fully understood or tuned”. I would also like to point out that this word
"cure" is nothing more than a misnomer for the discouraged. No person nor company will offer you a “cure”, therapies instead make much more revenue. In an extremely sad way its investment V money to be made guys. There are also bigger players in every field (some you would not even think of) that can “twist” certain things there way, but that being said i truly do believe you will see something very soon.And remember not everything IS too good to be true, as i said before current European legal situation and legal liability regulations about stem cell therapy, which is currently being advertised, do not allow extensive use of this therapy on a commercial basis.

Take care,
Mr.X


#2

You spoke, she spoke, and she did not say nothing…:frowning:


#3

Ok yawn

so whats the point exactly. I got tired after reading the first 6 sentences. It was a ood posting until those conspiracy theries came up too bad

» hey guys,
» look i know how harsh hairloss is and how devastating it can be but jesus
» there has never been so many companies going for this one prize, and i
» believe (even if you dont) that in the next 2-5 years there will be
» something pretty revolutionary. do you seriously think that in any trial
» someone is just going to regrow a full head of hair ??? of course not. your
» pessimsim in based on this deluded fact that tomorow someone is going to
» have some magical cure X and all your hair will be back. I work in
» immunology and il tell you from my experience that histogen and aderans are
» pretty much getting there but your expectations are extreme !!! all this
» “is histogen compoundable?” “aderans have failed becasue they are using
» minox " follica have failed because they keep it close to the chest”.
» Investors dont throw money, millions of ££ are still ££ no matter how rich
» you are. Alot of people seem to have the opinion that these ££millions are
» just pittance to these people who will just blow money on nothing. And btw
» for any educated persons here none of these companies are obliged to tell
» you anything. Given histogens enthusiastic timeline (im not saying it will
» happen) aderans seemed to have stepped up quite a few gears, and follica is
» who you should really be watching behind histogen, im actually 90% sure i
» will be correct here. The company i work for are pretty much in the same
» vein as follica (different discipline) but why should we sacrifice our
» integrity for a bunch of pessimists who’s only acceptable solution is and
» INSTANT head of hair. Yes in the future this will happen but not right now,
» our current levels of understanding our own science is growing and getting
» very exciting. Im only posting this as advice as my own son is overly
» worried about going bald,and if he is predisposed it willl happen but
» sooner rather than later this will be a thing of the past. Also i have read
» about these other Adipose stem cell offering for hair regeneration, and
» still all this grave pessimism exists, Adipose stem cells DO NOT GROW NEW
» follicles but rather “bring to life whats already there” and none of these
» companies offering this sort of therapy are 100% yet. If you understand FDA
» process’s and european legislations on these matters there ARE laws in
» place governing gross advertising of any stem cell therapies in any E.U
» country/state. For instance you are cannot sue any companies in the E.U
» offering regenerative medicine(s) IYU. It has been proven Adipose-derived
» stem cells can be used to cultivate hair and other types of cells in the
» laboratory, and the result can then be injected into the scalp. This is a
» revolutionary technique compared to existing methods, and revolutionary as
» in “not fully understood or tuned”. I would also like to point out that
» this word
» “cure” is nothing more than a misnomer for the discouraged. No person nor
» company will offer you a “cure”, therapies instead make much more revenue.
» In an extremely sad way its investment V money to be made guys. There are
» also bigger players in every field (some you would not even think of) that
» can “twist” certain things there way, but that being said i truly do
» believe you will see something very soon.And remember not everything IS too
» good to be true, as i said before current European legal situation and
» legal liability regulations about stem cell therapy, which is currently
» being advertised, do not allow extensive use of this therapy on a
» commercial basis.
»
» Take care,
» Mr.X


#4

The point is, that the point escapes too many here.

» Ok yawn
»
» so whats the point exactly. I got tired after reading the first 6
» sentences. It was a ood posting until those conspiracy theries came up too
» bad
»


#5

Sensible post, for a change.

But next time please remember that small paragraphs are our friends.

» hey guys,
» look i know how harsh hairloss is and how devastating it can be but jesus
» there has never been so many companies going for this one prize, and i
» believe (even if you dont) that in the next 2-5 years there will be
» something pretty revolutionary. do you seriously think that in any trial
» someone is just going to regrow a full head of hair ??? of course not. your
» pessimsim in based on this deluded fact that tomorow someone is going to
» have some magical cure X and all your hair will be back. I work in
» immunology and il tell you from my experience that histogen and aderans are
» pretty much getting there but your expectations are extreme !!! all this
» “is histogen compoundable?” “aderans have failed becasue they are using
» minox " follica have failed because they keep it close to the chest”.
» Investors dont throw money, millions of ££ are still ££ no matter how rich
» you are. Alot of people seem to have the opinion that these ££millions are
» just pittance to these people who will just blow money on nothing. And btw
» for any educated persons here none of these companies are obliged to tell
» you anything. Given histogens enthusiastic timeline (im not saying it will
» happen) aderans seemed to have stepped up quite a few gears, and follica is
» who you should really be watching behind histogen, im actually 90% sure i
» will be correct here. The company i work for are pretty much in the same
» vein as follica (different discipline) but why should we sacrifice our
» integrity for a bunch of pessimists who’s only acceptable solution is and
» INSTANT head of hair. Yes in the future this will happen but not right now,
» our current levels of understanding our own science is growing and getting
» very exciting. Im only posting this as advice as my own son is overly
» worried about going bald,and if he is predisposed it willl happen but
» sooner rather than later this will be a thing of the past. Also i have read
» about these other Adipose stem cell offering for hair regeneration, and
» still all this grave pessimism exists, Adipose stem cells DO NOT GROW NEW
» follicles but rather “bring to life whats already there” and none of these
» companies offering this sort of therapy are 100% yet. If you understand FDA
» process’s and european legislations on these matters there ARE laws in
» place governing gross advertising of any stem cell therapies in any E.U
» country/state. For instance you are cannot sue any companies in the E.U
» offering regenerative medicine(s) IYU. It has been proven Adipose-derived
» stem cells can be used to cultivate hair and other types of cells in the
» laboratory, and the result can then be injected into the scalp. This is a
» revolutionary technique compared to existing methods, and revolutionary as
» in “not fully understood or tuned”. I would also like to point out that
» this word
» “cure” is nothing more than a misnomer for the discouraged. No person nor
» company will offer you a “cure”, therapies instead make much more revenue.
» In an extremely sad way its investment V money to be made guys. There are
» also bigger players in every field (some you would not even think of) that
» can “twist” certain things there way, but that being said i truly do
» believe you will see something very soon.And remember not everything IS too
» good to be true, as i said before current European legal situation and
» legal liability regulations about stem cell therapy, which is currently
» being advertised, do not allow extensive use of this therapy on a
» commercial basis.
»
» Take care,
» Mr.X


#6

No one wants a cure now, they want a treatment that will bridge the gap to the future of a cure, the only reason people are pessimistic is because they’ve been around a long time and have seen many false dawns.


#7

» No one wants a cure now, they want a treatment that will bridge the gap to
» the future of a cure, the only reason people are pessimistic is because
» they’ve been around a long time and have seen many false dawns.
Yup, even a mediocre next-gen treatment would provide many of us a much-needed respite from our hairloss drama (until a cure comes along).


#8

Exactly, lets say histogen or ari would provide the full head of hair like we had long before alopecia. Then this is not a cure its a treatment.

A real cure would be the magic pill which, after one use, will stop hair from getting dht raped

» » No one wants a cure now, they want a treatment that will bridge the gap
» to
» » the future of a cure, the only reason people are pessimistic is because
» » they’ve been around a long time and have seen many false dawns.
» Yup, even a mediocre next-gen treatment would provide many of us a
» much-needed respite from our hairloss drama (until a cure comes along).


#9

nice post, some good points, but you are a fake. you just made another username because its obviously you ve been reading this forum a lot and no sane dad reads all this madness in here for his balding son lol


#10

» nice post, some good points, but you are a fake. you just made another
» username because its obviously you ve been reading this forum a lot and no
» sane dad reads all this madness in here for his balding son lol

You people are irrational. Stem cell therapy will make money most for private medicals, so lets base our “knowledge” on prefacing such therapies on lets say the UK National Health Service - for the ascertainable future this is very unlikely to happen for a flock of reasons. If any of these companies succeed and it is likely they will, They will OWN what other companies will pay for which in turn the consumer will pay for, you are last in line. 1-2-3. So dont herald surprise that any HT surgeon is pessimistic about all of this news- beacuse my friends , even that HT surgeon that once stood on his unscrupulous chair of power will be needing captial of his own, and no more can his “specialised procedure” sell his shortcomings as he will be offering you standard for standard what the next fellow is. If at any point in our considerable timeline this therapy is released alot of rich people are going to die very poor deaths, the marketplace is already saturated enough, let me reference any prominent invention in any decade, professionals will become fewer, happier consumers more. Do you honestly believe that your local HT surgeon will be given his future for free,no,no,no my friends…business is harsh sobering reality for anyone in medicine. Oh how 10 little Indians begins again…
Ten little Injuns standin’ in a line,
One toddled home and then there were nine;
Nine little Injuns swingin’ on a gate,
One tumbled off and then there were eight.
One little, two little, three little, four little, five little Injun boys,
Six little, seven little, eight little, nine little, ten little Injun boys.
Eight little Injuns gayest under heav’n.
One went to sleep and then there were seven;
Seven little Injuns cuttin’ up their tricks,
One broke his neck and then there were six.
Six little Injuns all alive,
One kicked the bucket and then there were five;
Five little Injuns on a cellar door,
One tumbled in and then there were four.
Four little Injuns up on a spree,
One got fuddled and then there were three;
Three little Injuns out on a canoe,
One tumbled overboard and then there were two.
Two little Injuns foolin’ with a gun,
One shot t’other and then there was one;
One little Injun livin’ all alone,
He got married and then there were none.


#11

» nice post, some good points, but you are a fake. you just made another
» username because its obviously you ve been reading this forum a lot and no
» sane dad reads all this madness in here for his balding son lol

You people are irrational. Stem cell therapy will make money most for private medicals, so lets base our “knowledge” on prefacing such therapies on lets say the UK National Health Service - for the ascertainable future this is very unlikely to happen for a flock of reasons. If any of these companies succeed and it is likely they will, They will OWN what other companies will pay for which in turn the consumer will pay for, you are last in line. 1-2-3. So dont herald surprise that any HT surgeon is pessimistic about all of this news- beacuse my friends , even that HT surgeon that once stood on his unscrupulous chair of power will be needing captial of his own, and no more can his “specialised procedure” sell his shortcomings as he will be offering you standard for standard what the next fellow is. If at any point in our considerable timeline this therapy is released alot of rich people are going to die very poor deaths, the marketplace is already saturated enough, let me reference any prominent invention in any decade, professionals will become fewer, happier consumers more. Do you honestly believe that your local HT surgeon will be given his future for free,no,no,no my friends…business is harsh sobering reality for anyone in medicine. Oh how 10 little Indians begins again…
Ten little Injuns standin’ in a line,
One toddled home and then there were nine;
Nine little Injuns swingin’ on a gate,
One tumbled off and then there were eight.
One little, two little, three little, four little, five little Injun boys,
Six little, seven little, eight little, nine little, ten little Injun boys.
Eight little Injuns gayest under heav’n.
One went to sleep and then there were seven;
Seven little Injuns cuttin’ up their tricks,
One broke his neck and then there were six.
Six little Injuns all alive,
One kicked the bucket and then there were five;
Five little Injuns on a cellar door,
One tumbled in and then there were four.
Four little Injuns up on a spree,
One got fuddled and then there were three;
Three little Injuns out on a canoe,
One tumbled overboard and then there were two.
Two little Injuns foolin’ with a gun,
One shot t’other and then there was one;
One little Injun livin’ all alone,
He got married and then there were none.


#12

whatever :stuck_out_tongue:


#13

» whatever :stuck_out_tongue:

haha. thanks.

I would also like to add that intercytex did not FAIL on there hair regenerations efforts. They failed and were unable to “bring to fruitition” another completely different product and went into “remission” (lol) because of this, as CLEARLY SAID by Dr.Farjo himself here —

take care you big men


#14

ps. I would also like to add that given the prestigious names of some of these doctors who like Dr.Farjo , seem to be “yes” and then “no”…and only a few days ago has defended Intercytex, you must admit guys, something funny is going on, maybe Aderans in the same way as the joker said in the dark knight “our operation is small…but we have alot of opportunity for aggressive expansion!!” - strange things are afoot. dont call this a conspiracy theory, “conspiracy theories” exist in language and our tongues because they every so often do exist. And i wouldn’t call this one as much of a stretch to call it a “conspiracy theory”. xx


#15

» ps. I would also like to add that given the prestigious names of some of
» these doctors who like Dr.Farjo , seem to be “yes” and then “no”…and
» only a few days ago has defended Intercytex, you must admit guys, something
» funny is going on, maybe Aderans in the same way as the joker said in the
» dark knight “our operation is small…but we have alot of opportunity for
» aggressive expansion!!” - strange things are afoot. dont call this a
» conspiracy theory, “conspiracy theories” exist in language and our tongues
» because they every so often do exist. And i wouldn’t call this one as much
» of a stretch to call it a “conspiracy theory”. xx

Sorry to interrupt but what you said is common knowledge :slight_smile:

Its all about a direct headstart on the market nothing more :slight_smile:

I can guarantee you right now that a lot of those clinics are in some sort involved with ari and histogen So what.

Everybody saw it coming, good for all but bad for some nay sayers.


#16

» Exactly, lets say histogen or ari would provide the full head of hair like
» we had long before alopecia. Then this is not a cure its a treatment.
»
» A real cure would be the magic pill which, after one use, will stop hair
» from getting dht raped

Is this a joke? This statement is so ridiculous I can’t make head or tail of it. How would that not be considered a cure? Anyway this is redundant.


#17

» » Exactly, lets say histogen or ari would provide the full head of hair
» like
» » we had long before alopecia. Then this is not a cure its a treatment.
» »
» » A real cure would be the magic pill which, after one use, will stop
» hair
» » from getting dht raped
»
»
» Is this a joke? This statement is so ridiculous I can’t make head or tail
» of it. How would that not be considered a cure? Anyway this is redundant.

If you lost your hairs and get them back, its just a treatment.

But if you can prevent your hair from falling out in the first place this is called Cure because you will not suffer hairloss Ever in your life.


#18

“But if you can prevent your hair from falling out in the first place this is called Cure because you will not suffer hairloss Ever in your life.”

Man, your posts seem to get dumber by the day Jenkins.


#19

» “But if you can prevent your hair from falling out in the first place this
» is called Cure because you will not suffer hairloss Ever in your life.”
»
» Man, your posts seem to get dumber by the day Jenkins.

Its a matter of definition.

Treatment or Cure are two seperate things.

A cute would be a thing which can prevent hair loss forever, but Ari and Histogen are by definition treatments for symptoms.

And also we dont know yet if it will work on complete bald persons. And thats a fact. So right now we can only say that this treatment is a “CURE” if it could give a blank bald person his hair. If thats not the case its not a CURE.

Thank you very much :wink:


#20

I’m well aware of the definition of the word cure. It’s you that’s having trouble describing that definition that’s annoying. Like most of your posts.

» » “But if you can prevent your hair from falling out in the first place
» this
» » is called Cure because you will not suffer hairloss Ever in your life.”
» »
» » Man, your posts seem to get dumber by the day Jenkins.
»
» Its a matter of definition.
»
» Treatment or Cure are two seperate things.
»
» A cute would be a thing which can prevent hair loss forever, but Ari and
» Histogen are by definition treatments for symptoms.
»
» And also we dont know yet if it will work on complete bald persons. And
» thats a fact. So right now we can only say that this treatment is a “CURE”
» if it could give a blank bald person his hair. If thats not the case its
» not a CURE.
»
» Thank you very much :wink: