Observations on the Follica patent

» I appreciate the fact that “somebody” out there is appreciative that Ive
» went through the damned patent. I cannot fathom why this hasn’t generated
» more attention from some on this forum. I mean hell, they are laying out
» EXACTLY WHAT THEY INTEND TO TRY in the patent before us. We can read
» through it and discuss it at length intelligently together, but some
» people have just decided that they’d rather have ICX or Aderans because
» they have been anticipating it for so long. Its as if a farmer is pissed
» off during a drought that its beginning to rain in the daytime everyday
» and thus saving his crops instead of raining at night when he is inside
» the house anyway and would rather it rain at that time because it doesnt
» interfere with his daytime activities. Id just be happy for the rain if I
» were him. I have no ideological preference for real
» PERMANENT hair replacement
for mankind. I just want hair in my
» temples that will be permanent and wont thin out the back of my head
» unnaturally. If standing on my head and wanking off while chewing garlic
» and onions simultaneously would give me that…I’d be doing it.
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» Here is their patent if you want to read it,
» WIPO - Search International and National Patent Collections
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» Alot of it can be merely “skimmed”. When you get to the example section,
» example 7 is the one that used human skin on a mouse’s back, and grew
» human hair. Thats the one Im interested in. I read all the experiments.
» Much in a patent is very repeditive and is better “skimmed” quickly to get
» down to the paragraphs that have intricate meaning. They cover all possible
» angles via seperate “embodiments” so no one esle can “cop” the procedure
» partially with an approach they left out, even if its not the best
» approach. For instance, you cannot really patent merely wounding the skin,
» so any possible topical that will enhance the procedure that they could
» think up has been included. How many they will actually put in their 9-day
» topical (other than an EGF-receptor blocker that might be used for 12 days)
» I dont know.
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» I dont know if these people will have luck, or fall on their
» faces…but they (this included Albert Kligman who is at the
» University of Pennsylvania Dermatology Department, Costarialis,
» Stenn—who is a advisor to Follica, and all the doctors at Penn’s Derm
» department) believe that it will. NBC’s medical correspondant, Dr. Nancy
» Snyderman seemed to be very impressed with it and stated “3 years” or
» “maybe sooner”. She thinks its going to work. I for one, am sure as hell
» wishing them luck.

I for one appreciate all the information you provide on Follica. I always thought this would be the company to bring a “true solution” to all suffering with MPB, not just those with a lush donor crop from which to harvest. The science behind Follica just makes more sense to me since it is involving stem cells instead of DP cells. If I made a misstatement, forgive my ignorance and/or laziness. I imagine there are many ghost readers who appreciate your diligence also.

» follicles formed. Not really sure why they are inhibiting EGF though,
» benji?

Ok…I looked into Follica patent and it seems they are using EGF for hair removal. Apparently, abrading the skin (epidermal layer) and then administering EGF prevents hair-regrowth - not sure if it get rids of the follicle though because actual HF is in the dermal layer.

If they figure out a way to have the body get rid of the follicle that would be really good - then we won’t have to worry about thousands of dead and oily HFs on our scalp.

» » If we combine this and the garlic oil receipe we may have a good combo -
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» » lighter/safe version of what follica is doing i.e. abrasion followed by
» » lithium application. What do you think about this benji??
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» Lithium is dirt cheap and widely available on the Internet. So you may as
» well just use that.
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» I plan on trying a home experiment this week (abrasion with sandpaper +
» lithium)…but not on my head. I’ll most likely choose a small spot on my
» abdomen.

You’ll have to let us know what happens when you do it.

» I for one appreciate all the information you provide on Follica. I always
» thought this would be the company to bring a “true solution” to all
» suffering with MPB, not just those with a lush donor crop from which to
» harvest. The science behind Follica just makes more sense to me since it
» is involving stem cells instead of DP cells. If I made a misstatement,
» forgive my ignorance and/or laziness. I imagine there are many ghost
» readers who appreciate your diligence also.

So do I. The reason why I don’t post any observation is my relatively total ignorance about Follica and others (plus the non-excuse of time). Thanks a mill for all the info, not to forget either all the other guys comments (by naming a few I would forget others).

The garlic & cloves mixed in olive oil thing is interesting. It’s interesting that someone is saying the compound works without even knowing about the dermabrasion need. I suspect the dermabrasion would increase the effectiveness by an order of magnitude.

What’s really with the hair removal (EGF and the 3-day wait)?

Are they doing this because it’s vitally necessary to the success of the regrowth process? Or is this just an offhand step, like maybe to make the dermabrasion easier or something?

» The garlic & cloves mixed in olive oil thing is interesting. It’s
» interesting that someone is saying the compound works without even knowing
» about the dermabrasion need. I suspect the dermabrasion would increase the
» effectiveness by an order of magnitude.
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Thats the reason why I’m really interested in Follica now. That herbal doctor probably doesn’t even know what an anti-androgen or WNT signalling is but both of these ingredients do just that i.e. garlic = WNT signalling, clove = anti-androgen. Since he mentions it heating in olive/mustard oil for a while I’m quite sure that would get them thorougly mixed up in the oil. Also he mentioned goood amount of garlic & cloves so the end result should be oil concentrated with garlic and cloves

In case anyone is wondering what the treatment is:

i) Garlic = 250 grams
ii) Cloves = 50 grams
iii) Oil = 0.5 litre

And heat them for a about 30 minutes - DON’t overheat the oil though!

I’m with you on abrasion, wounding skin alone supposedly creates new hair follicles (Follica patent also mentions that). So combining both should lead to better & quicker results.

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hair removal has nothing to do with hairloss treatment. its just that part of their patent talks about permanent hair removal and they are using EGF for that purpose. However, they also mentioned EGF for hair regrowth. When I get some time this weekend, I’ll go through the entire patent in detail and let u guys know of anything interesting.

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» Are they doing this because it’s vitally necessary to the success of the
» regrowth process? Or is this just an offhand step, like maybe to make the
» dermabrasion easier or something?

If their hair removal process also disables/shuts-off the sebum glands in the follicles then that would be a really good thing for us, we can create new follicles and not have to worry about oily scalp.

» » » If we combine this and the garlic oil receipe we may have a good combo
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» » a
» » » lighter/safe version of what follica is doing i.e. abrasion followed
» by
» » » lithium application. What do you think about this benji??
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» » Lithium is dirt cheap and widely available on the Internet. So you may
» as
» » well just use that.
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» » I plan on trying a home experiment this week (abrasion with sandpaper +
» » lithium)…but not on my head. I’ll most likely choose a small spot on
» my
» » abdomen.
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» You’ll have to let us know what happens when you do it.

i’m waiting curious too… update us, please… thank’s!

More questions about the “hair removal” step, if anyone knows:

Is this just a physical job of plucking/destroying the hair shaft that’s currently in the works in that follicle?

Or is this something that affects the follicle itself to shut down or something? (Temporary? Permanent?)

About the cloves & garlic & oil:

– I wonder if there’s a better method of getting that stuff absorbed? (I dunno . . . maybe emu oil or something?) Maybe I’m just talking out of my a-- on this and olive oil already works great. I’ve just never thought about olive oil as being a great skin vehicle for medications.

– Is the herbal doc talking about wanting you to heat up another fresh batch of that stuff every time you use it? Or could you cook up a big batch one time and then bottle it up to last a while? (If you really had to do it all fresh a couple of times per day, that just upped the daily effort & inconvenience level for this whole operation quite a bit.)

» More questions about the “hair removal” step, if anyone knows:

I’ll be doing research on all of this Friday. I’m taking the day off from work for other stuff, so I will have some time. I will also be starting my own experiment on Friday, by making the abrasion. I have plenty of Lithium, so that’s not a problem. I’ll post updates. I’m very curious to see what will happen. If it’s really this simple, it would be both amazing and elegant.

» » More questions about the “hair removal” step, if anyone knows:
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» I’ll be doing research on all of this Friday. I’m taking the day off from
» work for other stuff, so I will have some time. I will also be starting my
» own experiment on Friday, by making the abrasion. I have plenty of Lithium,
» so that’s not a problem. I’ll post updates. I’m very curious to see what
» will happen. If it’s really this simple, it would be both amazing and
» elegant.

How many time u think need this experiment? You want to try to do this for months?

» More questions about the “hair removal” step, if anyone knows:
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» Is this just a physical job of plucking/destroying the hair shaft that’s
» currently in the works in that follicle?
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» Or is this something that affects the follicle itself to shut down or
» something? (Temporary? Permanent?)

to be honest, I don’t know…haven’t read the full patent yet…but as benji mentioned the patent is an attempt to secure all possible ways of hair growth and hair removal. I’d go through the patent probably tomorrow and update more on this.

» About the cloves & garlic & oil:
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» – I wonder if there’s a better method of getting that stuff absorbed? (I
» dunno . . . maybe emu oil or something?) Maybe I’m just talking out of my
» a-- on this and olive oil already works great. I’ve just never thought
» about olive oil as being a great skin vehicle for medications.
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Olive oil is often used as a carrier oil and I don’t think the key here is to get as much of it absorbed as possible…we definitely don’t wanna send WNT signalling off the roof. The reason I’m sticking with this natural treatment is because all of it is proven to be safe and its mild. This way I don’t have to worry about tumors growing on my head!

Again…I am really excited about the similarities between what scienticts have proven and what that herbal doctor is saying. The only difference being that Follica approach is way faster than the herbal way…but herbal is more safe = DIY.

Another thing that crossed my mind was maybe chemical peel & formation of new follicles (i.e. improved scalp health & better blood supply) would also have an effect on some of the minitaurized follicles causing them to go terminal again, thus have sort of a rejuvenation effect. Again just my guess - nobody knows for sure yet!

» – Is the herbal doc talking about wanting you to heat up another fresh
» batch of that stuff every time you use it? Or could you cook up a big
» batch one time and then bottle it up to last a while? (If you really had
» to do it all fresh a couple of times per day, that just upped the daily
» effort & inconvenience level for this whole operation quite a bit.)

You just cook it once and then apply it to your scalp every night before going to bed. Me being NW6…1/2 litre should definitely last me more than a month.

NT

» NT

Yes, we want.

(bumping roger_that’s threads off the bottom of the page)