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#1

I find this to an interesting topic… Here is what one prominent physician has to say:

" the best way to send a message to the physicians who practice questionable medicine is to complain to the state medical boards.
if you were seen by a salesman (hair transplant doctors call them consultants)without seeing a physician, you have a legitimate complaint to your state medical board. if this salesman made a diagnosis of male pattern baldness and recomended a hair transplant surgery of either a specific quantity of grafts or a range of grafts, you havge a legitimate complaint.
if your salesman suggested that your hair loss could be treated by a single procedure and that you would never have to worry about your hair loss again, you have a legitimate complaint. if your salesman suggested that a combination of hair transplants and propecia or any other medication would treat your hair loss situation for a life time, you have a legitimate complaint. if your salesman used hard closing sales tactics, you should report this. if you arrived in the surgery center only to have your salesman attempt to increase the original graft count you agreeded to, you may have a complaint. if you are not certain you want to have the procedure done on the day of surgery and the salesman or doctor used pushy tactics to get you to proceed with the surgery, you have a complaint.
if your salesman gave you samples of propecia or a prescription for propecia without you seeing a physician, you have a legitimate complaint.
if your hair transplant doctor used false or misleading advertising, you may have a legitimate complaint. if your doctor states he uses microscopes in his brochure, but very few if any of the asistants are using microscopes durin surgery, you have a complaint.
if you salesman tell you that you will have full coverage from a single procedure or that you will have a natural result and you do not, you have a legitimate complaint.
if your doctor failed to address your questions before the surgery that the salesman sold you, you should report this to the state medical board. if you were given valium or other sedative prior to seeing a doctor and having him address your desires, you have a legitimate complaint.
if you would like my assistance in filling your complaint with a state medical board, i will be happy to help you. The time has come to send a message to large groups that consumers will not tolerate being treated unethically. The more complaints the state medical boards receive, the more likely they will be to take action against large groups or individual doctors. "


#2

Anyway, this quote from a prominent physician is not what my opinion is. I thought someone would have something to say about this topic.

There are things to look for to find the bad consultants… White coats are a hallmark of shade.

Also, go to the clinics website and try to find information on their consultants. Look for things as longevity of the employment of the consultant to the clinic. Then verify this information by coming here and asking questions about the consultants. Just because the website states a consultant has been working there for years does not necessarily mean this is the truth. Why is this important? Because if red flags go up in the beginning of seeking an HT solution, chances are there will be red flags later on down the road.


#3

Any HTP practice employing salesmen is not to be trusted.
All consultations/liaisons or correspondence should be with the surgeon himself.


#4

» Any HTP practice employing salesmen is not to be trusted.
» All consultations/liaisons or correspondence should be with the surgeon
» himself.

Thank God someone responded… If you knew who wrote the quote above you would laugh.


#5

» I find this to an interesting topic… Here is what one prominent physician
» has to say:
»
» " the best way to send a message to the physicians who practice
» questionable medicine is to complain to the state medical boards.
» if you were seen by a salesman (hair transplant doctors call them
» consultants)without seeing a physician, you have a legitimate complaint to
» your state medical board. if this salesman made a diagnosis of male pattern
» baldness and recomended a hair transplant surgery of either a specific
» quantity of grafts or a range of grafts, you havge a legitimate
» complaint.
» if your salesman suggested that your hair loss could be treated by a
» single procedure and that you would never have to worry about your hair
» loss again, you have a legitimate complaint. if your salesman suggested
» that a combination of hair transplants and propecia or any other
» medication would treat your hair loss situation for a life time
, you have
» a legitimate complaint. if your salesman used hard closing sales tactics,
» you should report this. if you arrived in the surgery center only to have
» your salesman attempt to increase the original graft count you agreeded
» to, you may have a complaint. if you are not certain you want to have the
» procedure done on the day of surgery and the salesman or doctor used pushy
» tactics to get you to proceed with the surgery, you have a complaint.
» if your salesman gave you samples of propecia or a prescription for
» propecia without you seeing a physician, you have a legitimate complaint.

» if your hair transplant doctor used false or misleading advertising, you
» may have a legitimate complaint. if your doctor states he uses microscopes
» in his brochure, but very few if any of the asistants are using microscopes
» durin surgery, you have a complaint.
» if you salesman tell you that you will have full coverage from a single
» procedure or that you will have a natural result and you do not, you have
» a legitimate complaint.
» if your doctor failed to address your questions before the surgery that
» the salesman sold you, you should report this to the state medical board.
» if you were given valium or other sedative prior to seeing a doctor and
» having him address your desires, you have a legitimate complaint.
» if you would like my assistance in filling your complaint with a state
» medical board, i will be happy to help you. The time has come to send a
» message to large groups that consumers will not tolerate being treated
» unethically. The more complaints the state medical boards receive, the
» more likely they will be to take action against large groups or individual

The 2 highlighted sentences are extactly what happened to me.Over all the salesman sales tactics and manner scared the shit out of me,this was by a salesman from Norton in the Uk.I believe he did me a favour,stopped me from having a HT.This did not stop me I purchasing propecia off him.it was sent to me a day later"

Oh by the way lay off Damon he’s been shit on enough by the hair transplant industry.


#6

I like and respect Damon. I seriously would never disrespect him! Where did you get the idea that I was saying something negative?

So the highlighted senteces is what happened to you? Where did this happen.


#7

So, who is the quote from?


#8

» I like and respect Damon. I seriously would never disrespect him! Where
» did you get the idea that I was saying something negative?

I must of read your quote the wrong way,SORRY!

»
» So the highlighted senteces is what happened to you? Where did this
» happen.

Norton are one of the main HT specialist in the Uk.Since then I have done my home work via internet and realize that there is not anyone any good in the Uk.

The Farjo Clinic might be alright I suppose,but they only do strip.I have got my name down with them for future reference regarding ICX-TRC trials,hair multiplication.That amounts to a big nothing,they never get back in touch.

I now shave my hair down to grade 0 with Wahl bladding clippers.Thats better than a thinning hair look,not that I have much at the front.My frontal loss is down to an accident (I’ve slight scar there) and thinning since.

I have had a mature hairline since I was 17.I’m now 42.So I suppose I’ve been lucky.I had a good amount of hair in my twenties and most of my thirties.I’ve still no balding on crown,luckily again.

I’m playing the waiting game,at the moment before I decide what I want to do.I actually had a lengthy conversation with Lesley at the Farjo Clinic regarding HM.She’s dealing with HM.She convinced me it will happen!


#9

How did you injure your head? How big is the scar?


#10

» How did you injure your head? How big is the scar?

I fell,tripped up,out of a van.Head first.I left a bit of hair flapping on pavement,not much really.A bit of it grew back,but not all of it.I think its thinned a bit since,too.The scar is very small not really noticeable unless I’m in the right light.It was glued back together at the hospital.

I have had a tiny bit of regrowth there by using propecia.


#11

I never really heard of that doctor.


#12

» Thank God someone responded… If you knew who wrote the quote above you
» would laugh.

Whoever it is that you are quoting has some valid points. Here are a few.

  1. only physicians can make a diagnosis
  2. a combination of hair transplants and propecia or any other medication cannot be guaranteed to treat your hair loss situation for a life time
  3. pushy tactics to get you to proceed with a surgery are not OK
  4. false or misleading advertising is illegal
  5. patients should not be given valium or other sedative before being able to speak with the doctor

Etc.

This has little to do with physician or non-physician consultants. These are standard patient’s rights. Here is an interesting perspective:

“Use of a nonmedical or medical consultant to provide basic information and education to patients, leaves the physician free to focus on the specific diagnosis and treatment plan…This education process also saves a great deal of time, allowing the physician to spend more time in each surgery, to perform more surgeries, and to have less pressure during the surgery, knowing that prospective patients are being attended by a consultant. Benefits to the patient are numerous…”
–Matthew L. Leavitt
Hair Transplantation, Walter Unger and Ronald Shapiro

The role of the consultant is to educate. It is imperative that consultants, both physicians and non-physicians, respect the patient’s rights and know the boundaries of their roles.

My advice to those seeking more information about hair transplants is to use these consultants as a way to learn everything you can. Ask lots of questions. If you think of questions after the consultation, call them up. There is a difference between a consultant and a salesman. Make notes and verify the information that you gather during consultation. Share what you find on the forums to help educate others. The experience is all what you choose make of it.


#13

» I have
» done my home work via internet and realize that there is not anyone any
» good in the Uk.

In nearby Brussels, there are two good FIT/FUE doctors: Dr. Bisanga and Dr. Mwamba. They might be able to help you out or at least offer you some good information. I know first hand that Dr. Mwamba is excellent, and I have heard good things about Dr. Bisanga.


#14

Also Bverotti works for a good FUE doctor.


#15

Hey Jessica do you know who wrote that original quote above?


#16

» Hey Jessica do you know who wrote that original quote above?

I believe it was Dr Josef Mengele.
The quote was taken from his book,”The experiments I conducted at Auschwitz will be NOTHING compared to what some HTP docs will do to their patients”
After he fled from Germany,Mengele suffered from severe paranoia & depression.He was petriefied that Mossad agents would kidnap him & execute him in Isreal like they did with Eichamann.
This constant fear & paranoia lead to a severe deterioration of his health.Can you believe that a ruthless killer like Mengele,a man who experimented on children feared that his actions would undo him yet HTP docs butcher one patient after another & go on like nothing has happened. 95% of HTP docs are worse then Mengele.


#17

» Hey Jessica do you know who wrote that original quote above?

Is this a new game? Guess the quote? Let me ring in my buzzer…beepbeepbeeeep

Lets see…what do we know about this person:

  1. All fired up because people are being misled into surgery
  2. Willing to take action to correct the wrongs done to these patients
  3. Not afraid to try and change the industry
  4. Educating the patients on their rights and how they can fight back

Sounds like Dr. Cole. But then, I’ve only ever worked in one transplant clinic. Lots of people could fit this profile. Who is it?


#18

Finally a post from you… Jessica. That sounds more like you and not someone else’s thoughts. Not that that is a bad thing. I would not want you to construe my postings as negative so you can tell your lawyers so for the record, this is a friendly thread discussing patient consultants.

IMO certain non-physician consults can indeed deem important to the physician provided there are no mis-conceptions of that consultant.