» And this is Dr. Cole’s “in vivo Ji Gami” (somebody posted this yesterday):
»
Here is Dr. Hitzig’s response, posted today:
Dr. Hitzig is definitely on the right track.
Here is Dr. Hitzig’s response, posted today:
Dr. Hitzig is definitely on the right track.
So Ironman, u mean the full head of hair is not 5 years away like everyone is saying?? Am I correct that ur trying to say that Hairloss could be cured right now as long as we are willing to give away a little of our donorhair??
And waiting a year or tow is just to give the docs a little more routine in doimg what they are doing right now??
» So Ironman, u mean the full head of hair is not 5 years away like everyone
» is saying?? Am I correct that ur trying to say that Hairloss could be cured
» right now as long as we are willing to give away a little of our
» donorhair??
»
» And waiting a year or tow is just to give the docs a little more routine in
» doimg what they are doing right now??
Exactly.
Concerning donorhair:
In my opinion, and this is just an opinion, in future, there is no need anymore for so called HT “mega-sessions”. That means, in theory, an average bald head do not not need more than about 500 - 1500 hair-bearing grafts from his donor area - IF everything works as expected (multiplied hairs in the recipient side, derived from a given number from your back of your head).
Right now, and in the right hands (!) the whole thingy seems to work perfectly already. Concerning costs: You surely do not have to pay astronomical numbers for a full head of hair. I think anywhere between $6000 - $15,000 might be enough for that and for the average bald head.
» » Ok Iron man you say your willing to wait another 12 months. IF it DOES
» work
» » who would you go to? ARI??
»
» In 12 month, ARI is NOT done with their trails. Again, the difference:
»
» 1) If you’re a completely bald guy (or a burn victim etc), it definitely
» makes sense to wait for ARI’s approach, because there you just need
» a few hairs for the laboratory (step #1 - multipling the necessary cells,
» as discribed by Dr. Washenik in the video/link above).
»
» 2) If you simply do not want to lose ANY of your hair (besides just a few)
» from the back of your head (aka “traditional Hair Transplantaton” ), it
» makes sense too to wait for ARI’s approach, because the whole concept of
» ARI is to multiply your own hair cells, derived from just a few hairs.
»
» 3) If you just have thinning hairs, or you have lots of just miniaturized
» hair on the top of your head and/or crown, and it doesn’t bother you to
» lose a given amount of hair from the back of your head - Dr. Hitzig or Dr.
» Cole or Dr. ? is the way to go.
»
» 4) Same as pkt 3) but you want preserve your donor hairs as much as
» possible too, in this case, Dr. Gho might be in future the way to go
» - and you do not risk an occuring linear scar on the back of your head
» (FUT/Strip procedure), nor any white dots from an FUE procedure etc.
»
» So everything just depends on your need and your preference. Anyway,
» there’re options, and there will be TOPIC RELATED options! So it just
» depends on you.
»
» BTW - It simply makes no sense to stick on my lips, in case you do not
» understand what I try to explain since the start post (“basics” ) in this
» thread.
jo Iron_Man,
I agree for the most part, i just didnt quite understand point 4) vs point 3)… why are you suggesting in point 3) that you will lose a given amount of hair from the back of your head with the Hitzig/Cole technique but preserve as much as possible with Gho? Isn’t Gho doing pretty much the same thing as Hitzig/Cole just by means of partial dissection of follicles as opposed to the “special plucking”. I’m not quite sure what you mean there. Would be nice if you could elaborate it some more.
» jo Iron_Man,
» I agree for the most part, i just didnt quite understand point 4) vs point
» 3)… why are you suggesting in point 3) that you will lose a given amount
» of hair from the back of your head with the Hitzig/Cole technique but
» preserve as much as possible with Gho? Isn’t Gho doing pretty much the same
» thing as Hitzig/Cole just by means of partial dissection of follicles as
» opposed to the “special plucking”. I’m not quite sure what you mean there.
» Would be nice if you could elaborate it some more.
I know what you mean.
EXPLANATION
Basically, Dr. Gho’s Hair StemCell Transplantation (HST) technique works as described in his study:
So the main message from his study is as follows:
“This technique enables us to generate two hair follicles from one follicle with consistent results and preserve the donor area.”
But what does this mean in the daily praxis?
Contrary to traditional “FUE”, whereby the so called ‘Follicular Units’ are completely removed from your donor area (as a result, there is no regrowth in your donor area and leaves white dots), Dr. Gho’s technique enables ALMOST completely regrowth of your hair follicles in your donor area. So to speak, NOTHING happened in your donor area after a HST procedure, IF practically all hairs regrow. And the extracted and transplanted hair follicles thereby represent the multiplied ( “cloned” ) hairs.
It’s logical: If almost all (partially) extracted hairs grow back in your donor are, the transplanted hairs in the recipient side represent the multiplied hairs; because the back of your head remains as a result of this technique practically untouched. Therefore, the transplanted hairs in the recipient side represent the multiplied hairs, as mentioned in his study concerning that point.
BUT: Those transplanted HST grafts in the recipient side, do not multiply! That means, HST works like “what you see is what you get”. If you “order” 1500 HST grafts (FU’s) for your recipient side, you will get 1500 HST grafts (FU’s) in your recipient side. Nothing more, nothing less. Logical?
Sure, due to the preservation of your donor area, you still have the option for some more procedures, because in theory, you never run out of hairs, simply because the hairs always regrow in the donor area (your donor always remains almost completely untouched).
And now the BIG point:
IF Dr. Gho in addition would add ACell to the HST grafts + in addition inject an ACell/PRP or ACell/arterial blood MIX during a HST procedure in the recipient side (like the procedure what Dr. Hitzig is offering), those HST grafts should multiply in the recipient side, resp. the whole procedure should “awake” thinning/miniaturized hairs in the recipient side (top of your head and/or crown) as well. I would assume with even better results than with (chubby) traditional HT grafts – at least in “scientifically theory”.
Iron man,
Would the hairs around those implanted that are reawakened be DHT sensitive? Would it give a histogen type of effect of sending the hairs back to the beginning or is there any chance that the hairs reawakened will be resistent to DHT?
» Iron man,
»
» Would the hairs around those implanted that are reawakened be DHT
» sensitive? Would it give a histogen type of effect of sending the hairs
» back to the beginning or is there any chance that the hairs reawakened will
» be resistent to DHT?
And for diffuse thinners, could prp + acell alone really reawaken all the follicles?
I like your questions. Because your questions represent THE question at all!
For me it’s easy to give you (hopefully) accurate answers, but I have a MUCH better (funnier) idea:
Question #1
» Would the hairs around those implanted that are reawakened be DHT
» sensitive? Would it give a histogen type of effect of sending the hairs
» back to the beginning or is there any chance that the hairs reawakened will
» be resistent to DHT?
Question #2
» And for diffuse thinners, could prp + acell alone really reawaken all the
» follicles?
Simply email these questions to …
- Dr. Jerry Cooley
- Dr. Gary Hitzig
- Dr. John P. Cole
… and report us their replies.
After their responses (if at all), it might be possible, that I practically can’t tell you MY answers. And my answers, you know, consist almost always including “hardcore proof” (references, links etc) of claims.
So let’s have fun … 
» » » Oh, by the way: Did I already mention that there is NO
» NEED anymore to wait
»
» Why not? Because ‘Ji Gami’ already happens DAILY in some clinics (I do not
» speak about Bosley clinics!). This is no joke. We just have to wait a few
» days/weeks and we will see the (preliminary) results.
What exactly will we see in a few days/weeks.
These promises sound like John the revelator stating that HM was around the corner (some years ago).
» What exactly will we see in a few days/weeks.
I’m pretty sure, that we will see and hear about Cooley’s and/or about Cole’s preliminary (follow-up) results as well in the comming days/weeks/month.
» » What exactly will we see in a few days/weeks.
»
»
» I’m pretty sure, that we will see and hear about Cooley’s and/or about
» Cole’s preliminary (follow-up) results as well in the comming
» days/weeks/month.
So to speak if it works we could see other doctor using this? Are we really that close? Is it too good to be true?
» So to speak if it works we could see other doctor using this? Are we really
» that close?
YES!
But again, some “fine-tuning” is necessary as well as accurate INFORMATION & TRAINING sessions for “other doctors” (how to apply/mix/inject ACell+PRP or growth factors etc etc) in combination with some GOOD hair transplantation techniques: the smaller ( “skeletonized” ) the grafts (FU’s) the better. And believe it or not: the more transected follicles (grafts, as well as vellus hairs), the better - e.g. Dr. Cooley already demonstrated the last. And plucked hairs represent ideal “grafts” (‘hair-cell-transport-containers’) anyway.
thanks for the info Iron Man.
lets wait for the good doctor to release the pics.
but if he really does have the cure for MPB, wouldn’t that mean he’s on the fast track to being a multi-billionaire assuming he has a patent on it?
I got a message from Dr. Greco also saying that he’s working on Acell and PRP along with scaffolding idea to keep the growth factors he centrifuges out of blood at the site for longer. I’ll post his email soon in the Dr. Greco PRP thread.
Looks like others are jumping on the PRP/ACell front so lets see what it yields.
It may just be that in the not too distant future, a person will be able to keep most of his hair for the rest of his life using a combo of Avodart, PRP + ACell, Minoxidil, Nizoral 2% and a few other goodies.
» » So to speak if it works we could see other doctor using this? Are we
» really
» » that close?
»
» YES!
»
» But again, some “fine-tuning” is necessary as well as accurate INFORMATION
» & TRAINING sessions for “other doctors” (how to apply/mix/inject ACell+PRP
» or growth factors etc etc) in combination with some GOOD hair
» transplantation techniques: the smaller ( “skeletonized” ) the grafts
» (FU’s) the better. And believe it or not: the more transected follicles
» (grafts, as well as vellus hairs), the better - e.g. Dr. Cooley already
» demonstrated the last. And plucked hairs represent ideal “grafts”
» (‘hair-cell-transport-containers’) anyway.
There has been absolutely ZERO proof of any of this nonsense. ZERO. No double blinds, no independent evaluations, no published papers. NOTHING. I will nuke my moniker if any of this pans out (that is, PROVEN AND PUBLISHED).
» There has been absolutely ZERO proof of any of this nonsense. ZERO. No
» double blinds, no independent evaluations, no published papers. NOTHING.
» I will nuke my moniker if any of this pans out (that is, PROVEN AND
» PUBLISHED).
You are the MOST NEGATIVE person on this board. Whether its ARI or Histogen you have no belief. Why do even bother with this forum?
» » There has been absolutely ZERO proof of any of this nonsense. ZERO. No
» » double blinds, no independent evaluations, no published papers. NOTHING.
»
» » I will nuke my moniker if any of this pans out (that is, PROVEN AND
» » PUBLISHED).
» ------------
» You are the MOST NEGATIVE person on this board. Whether its ARI or Histogen
» you have no belief. Why do even bother with this forum?
The answer is easy: Simply to boycott novel treatments as a result of existential FEAR.
Here is another type of existential FEAR …
… combined with incompetence (unable to pluck some hairs, applying ACell and see if it works – in future maybe better and more interesting than “CIT”).
» I got a message from Dr. Greco also saying that he’s working on Acell and
» PRP along with scaffolding idea to keep the growth factors he centrifuges
» out of blood at the site for longer. I’ll post his email soon in the Dr.
» Greco PRP thread.
Great info!
» » So to speak if it works we could see other doctor using this? Are we
» really
» » that close?
»
» YES!
»
» But again, some “fine-tuning” is necessary as well as accurate INFORMATION
» & TRAINING sessions for “other doctors” (how to apply/mix/inject ACell+PRP
» or growth factors etc etc) in combination with some GOOD hair
» transplantation techniques: the smaller ( “skeletonized” ) the grafts
» (FU’s) the better. And believe it or not: the more transected follicles
» (grafts, as well as vellus hairs), the better - e.g. Dr. Cooley already
» demonstrated the last. And plucked hairs represent ideal “grafts”
» (‘hair-cell-transport-containers’) anyway.
we shouldnt be too overly optimistic here… i wouldn’t say YES just yet… i’d rather go with…
PERHAPS! or HOPEFULLY!
i agree we should not be too optimistic.
to date, i have not seen a single person go from NW6 to NW2 with Acell anything.
lets wait for the pictures which the good doctor plans to post this month as he promised.
» » I got a message from Dr. Greco also saying that he’s
» working on Acell and
» » PRP along with scaffolding idea to keep the growth factors he
» centrifuges
» » out of blood at the site for longer. I’ll post his email soon in the
» Dr.
» » Greco PRP thread.
»
» Great info!
Sorry Ironman I misunderstood his email. He uses a different method, not Acell. Read his email I posted in the "PRP with Dr. Greco’ thread.