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Looking for a more efficient regimen, plus a resveratol/curcumin question


#1

First, do you have to take resveratol with curcumin for curcumin absorption?

Second, I take propecia. I’m almost at the 6 year mark, and it is wearing off.

I also take a three in one with saw palmetto/nettles/and a useless amount of pygeum (10 mg). I just bought l-lysine, beta sitosterol, omega fats. I also take a daily everything and selenium. These are from the NOW company, which I believe is very respectable. I occasionally take ginseng and maca, and ginkgo but know you are supposed to take breaks on these.

Is there something more efficient I could do? This is really expensive. For example, does beta sis do anything that the palmetto isn’t already doing? Is it worth scrapping lysine and buying curcumin? I’m confused by the sheer amount of stuff out there. What is an efficient regimen?


#2

» First, do you have to take resveratol with curcumin for curcumin
» absorption?
»
» Second, I take propecia. I’m almost at the 6 year mark, and it is wearing
» off.
»
» I also take a three in one with saw palmetto/nettles/and a useless amount
» of pygeum (10 mg). I just bought l-lysine, beta sitosterol, omega fats. I
» also take a daily everything and selenium. These are from the NOW company,
» which I believe is very respectable. I occasionally take ginseng and maca,
» and ginkgo but know you are supposed to take breaks on these.
»
» Is there something more efficient I could do? This is really expensive.
» For example, does beta sis do anything that the palmetto isn’t already
» doing? Is it worth scrapping lysine and buying curcumin? I’m confused by
» the sheer amount of stuff out there. What is an efficient regimen?

that board discusses other regimens and your circ question


#3

thanks


#4

If propecia is wearing off, I don’t see how a natural DHT regimen will help matters.

Curcumin, I have found, will not do much, if anything, for your hair loss, unless it is combined with resveratrol.


#5

» If propecia is wearing off, I don’t see how a natural DHT regimen will help
» matters.
»
» Curcumin, I have found, will not do much, if anything, for your hair loss,
» unless it is combined with resveratrol.

My logic was that, maybe propecia works in the morning when I take it, but with such a sort half life, by the time evening has come it completely has worn off and no DHT is being blocked. I was thinking I could spread out these natural blockers throughout the day in order to have no big gaps (mainly, when asleep) when blocking is not taking place.


#6

plus, never tried propecia with lysine to boost it before


#7

My point was that your DHT-blocking days appear to be over. And it’s just as well. I, personally, do not think it’s the healthiest approach to fighting hair loss.


#8

» My point was that your DHT-blocking days appear to be over. And it’s just
» as well. I, personally, do not think it’s the healthiest approach to
» fighting hair loss.

Was looking at your current reginmen. Would you tell me a bit about your experience with this alternate method (not DHT-blocking)? Is it mainly anti-inflammation?


#9

» » My point was that your DHT-blocking days appear to be over. And it’s
» just
» » as well. I, personally, do not think it’s the healthiest approach to
» » fighting hair loss.
»
» Was looking at your current reginmen. Would you tell me a bit about your
» experience with this alternate method (not DHT-blocking)? Is it mainly
» anti-inflammation?

Sure. This is an old post of mine:

"There are many natural products available that may assist you in your battle with hair loss.

I have tried an awful lot of them. Some did not help at all (e.g. Hair Genesis, Revivogen, Maxi Hair, Shen Min’s “DHT Blocker,” Hair Again), while others helped some. There were several that provided real results (the old Advecia/borage & fish oil combination/Shen Min Advanced Men’s formula/Applepoly) for a period, only to lose their effectiveness a month or so thereafter.

But through these “experiments” with different products and combinations of individual herbs, I had been able to at least maintain and control any more hair loss, or at least that was the case until earlier this year. This past January, my hair loss really began to worsen (becoming see-through). Then I read Col’s post about vitamin E (tocotrienols). I gave Jarrow’s TOCO SORB a try for a month or so. And I think it slowed my hair loss, a bit.

I then added curcumin and resveratrol, after reading about a product called Capsures in one of Col’s posts. Within several weeks, I noticed that my dandruff completely stopped. After a month, my hair loss stabilized. I was not losing any more. Eight months later, this combination has not lost its effectiveness, on the contrary, my hair continues to improve.

The internal regimen of curcumin, resveratrol, and vitamin E (tocotrienols) is an excellent foundation for anyone who wants to keep his hair, naturally."

I later added MSM, which has helped to thicken this regrown hair. Also, it has relieved me of the chronic constipation that I suffered from while on this regimen.

Here is a link to a hair loss study using curcumin and resveratrol:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006087759&IA=IT2006000093&DISPLAY=DESC

About curcumin:
http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcumin4-09.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateTragedyofTumeric5-08.html

http://www.hairloss-research.org/LinkUpdateCurcuminYetMoreEvidence4-09.html

Tocotrienols:
http://www.regrowhair.com/non-surgical-hair-loss-treatments/vitamin-e-for-hair-loss/

Now, recently, there has been some discussion here and at other forums as to what brands of curcumin (resveratrol, and tocotrienols) are the best, as well as, how much should be taken daily. LEF’s Super Bio curcumin made quite a few posters shed hair. The Jarrow brand seems well-tolerated by most. And they are reasonably priced.

If you scroll down this page, you will find informative posts by Jacob about these three supplements.


#10

Thank you TN. I figured you’ve probably been asked this question more than once. So I appreciate you taking the time to answer it again, and so thoroughly.


#11

» Then I read Col’s post about vitamin E (tocotrienols). I gave Jarrow’s TOCO
» SORB a try for a month or so. And I think it slowed my hair loss, a bit.
»
» I then added curcumin and resveratrol, after reading about a product
» called Capsures in one of Col’s posts. Within several weeks, I noticed that
» my dandruff completely stopped. After a month, my hair loss stabilized. I
» was not losing any more. Eight months later, this combination has not lost
» its effectiveness, on the contrary, my hair continues to improve.

By the way, have you ever tried resveratrol and curcumin with no TOCO? Curious if the TOCO is essential since you implied you noticed the difference when you started curcumin and resveratrol, which you started after TOCO.


#12

We’re allowed to direct to other forums- encourage ppl to go there instead? I may be back.

:ok:


#13

» By the way, have you ever tried resveratrol and curcumin with no TOCO?
» Curious if the TOCO is essential since you implied you noticed the
» difference when you started curcumin and resveratrol, which you started
» after TOCO.

Sure bucket, no problem.

I have always included the tocotrienols (probably do to the aforementioned study). But I do feel that curcumin and resveratrol are the key players here. I guess that I was trying to create a better version of the Capsures supplement used in the Italian hair loss study.

A daily dosage of four Capsures capsules contains:

  1. 600 mg. of vitamin C
  2. 600 mg. of wheat germ (vitamin E source)
  3. 80 mg. of curcumin
  4. 40 mg. of resveratrol
  5. 50 mg. of capsaicin

I will add a good vitamin C supplement to my regimen soon.

Hope this helps,
TN


#14

I’m going to buy some ground tumeric powder rather than use curcumin capsules. (I have a litle scale to weigh out a dosage). I will also buy resverathol capsules. I saw you posted the capsure dosages, and was wondering if this is the same dose you take? Also, is that the mg for four capsules or one?

» » By the way, have you ever tried resveratrol and curcumin with no TOCO?
» » Curious if the TOCO is essential since you implied you noticed the
» » difference when you started curcumin and resveratrol, which you started
» » after TOCO.
»
» Sure bucket, no problem.
»
» I have always included the tocotrienols (probably do to the aforementioned
» study). But I do feel that curcumin and resveratrol are the key players
» here. I guess that I was trying to create a better version of the Capsures
» supplement used in the Italian hair loss study.
»
» A daily dosage of four Capsures capsules contains:
»
» 1. 600 mg. of vitamin C
» 2. 600 mg. of wheat germ (vitamin E source)
» 3. 80 mg. of curcumin
» 4. 40 mg. of resveratrol
» 5. 50 mg. of capsaicin
»
» I will add a good vitamin C supplement to my regimen soon.
»
» Hope this helps,
» TN


#15

» I’m going to buy some ground tumeric powder rather than use curcumin
» capsules. (I have a litle scale to weigh out a dosage). I will also buy
» resverathol capsules. I saw you posted the capsure dosages, and was
» wondering if this is the same dose you take? Also, is that the mg for four
» capsules or one?

  1. No, I started off taking one Jarrow curcumin capsule(500 mg.)and one Jarrow resveratrol capsule(100 mg.) a day.

Please understand that an turmeric extract (concentrate) was used in this study. I don’t know whether a generic turmeric powder will be as effective.

  1. Four capsules.

#16

I’m buying it from KPC Herbs. When I say powder, I meant it is still extract, just not encased in a capsule. It is 100 g (100,000 mg) for $5.28.

»
» 1. No, I started off taking one Jarrow curcumin capsule(500 mg.)and one
» Jarrow resveratrol capsule(100 mg.) a day.
»
» Please understand that an turmeric extract (concentrate) was used in this
» study. I don’t know whether a generic turmeric powder will be as
» effective.
»
» 2. Four capsules.


#17

» » I’m going to buy some ground tumeric powder rather than use curcumin
» » capsules. (I have a litle scale to weigh out a dosage). I will also buy
» » resverathol capsules. I saw you posted the capsure dosages, and was
» » wondering if this is the same dose you take? Also, is that the mg for
» four
» » capsules or one?
»
» 1. No, I started off taking one Jarrow curcumin capsule(500 mg.)and one
» Jarrow resveratrol capsule(100 mg.) a day.
»
» Please understand that an turmeric extract (concentrate) was used in this
» study. I don’t know whether a generic turmeric powder will be as
» effective.
»
» 2. Four capsules.

Has anyone upped the daily dosage of curcumin/resveratrol to curcumin=1500mg and resveratrol=500mg per day, to see if an accelerated hair growth can be established? my email is drlarryvon@gmail.com

                   Best

#18

» Has anyone upped the daily dosage of curcumin/resveratrol to
» curcumin=1500mg and resveratrol=500mg per day, to see if an accelerated
» hair growth can be established? my email is drlarryvon@gmail.com

larry,

People have done this with curcumin, and if I remember correctly, it had a negative effect. Life Extension makes a Super Bio curcumin: “Each 400 mg capsule is equivalent to 2772 mg of a typical 95% curcumin extract.” This particular supplement accelerated hair loss in most users.

I am now of the opinion that whole herb extracts (e.g. turmeric) is more effective than just one its isolated parts (e.g. curcumin).