Let\'s discuss....what do we do if its bad news?

» “I don’t think even the manufacturer of Propecia or Rogaine cared whether
» the new hair is DHT resistant or not when they did their trials.”
»
» Of course they did not care because they KNEW that the regrown hair would
» not be resistant to DHT. Both of these treatments work by reversing the
» effects of minaturization caused by DHT. They do not magically cause those
» minaturized hairs to become DHT-resistant. Your assertion is meaningless.

What I am saying is that it is not intercytex’s responsibility to find out if the new hair is DHT resistant. They couldn’t care less. The product will be on the market whether the new hair is DHT resistant or not.

»
» it will take years to find, even the most important question that is, is
» the new hair DHT resistant
»
» they have no way of knowing that without observing successful patients for
» years

Are you saying it will take years because that much time has to pass to see if the new hair starts to fall out? Does anyone on this board care if your new hair lasted “only” a couple of years? After which, you return for a new dose of HM which lasts another couple of years (or, which has improved so much since you last procedure that it is now permenant)?

Most of us are applying products daily with minimal effectiveness. A product that is reasonably effective and lasts years between reapplication would be a watershed event.

That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more injections in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections every so often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry :frowning:

» That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more injections
» in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for
» minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections every so
» often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry :frowning:

Would you rather be bald?

We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller, handsomer, smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a technology that could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be enthusiastic, board members keep adding on additional requirements.

As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy with a treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental treatments.

» » That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more
» injections
» » in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for
» » minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections every
» so
» » often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry :frowning:
»
» Would you rather be bald?
»
» We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller, handsomer,
» smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a technology that
» could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be enthusiastic, board
» members keep adding on additional requirements.
»
» As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy with a
» treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental
» treatments.

Well, since transplanted hair is DHT resistant (even very early transplant technology like plugs will remain when surrounding scalp loses original hair)
and since the androgen receptors are commonly attributed to dermal papilla cells, and since it is the dermal papilla cells that are being multiplied and injected up top, you could argue we have a good shot at some pretty resilient hair. The real challenge is getting the dermal papilla cells to form hair in the first place.

» » » That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more
» » injections
» » » in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for
» » » minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections
» every
» » so
» » » often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry :frowning:
» »
» » Would you rather be bald?
» »
» » We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller, handsomer,
» » smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a technology
» that
» » could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be enthusiastic,
» board
» » members keep adding on additional requirements.
» »
» » As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy with a
» » treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental
» » treatments.
»
» Well, since transplanted hair is DHT resistant (even very early transplant
» technology like plugs will remain when surrounding scalp loses original
» hair)
» and since the androgen receptors are commonly attributed to dermal papilla
» cells, and since it is the dermal papilla cells that are being multiplied
» and injected up top, you could argue we have a good shot at some pretty
» resilient hair. The real challenge is getting the dermal papilla cells to
» form hair in the first place.

transplanted hair is not necessarly DHT resistant

that is assuming they took it from below wherever the side hair will eventually recede to…if you go to a NW8 later on, and the sides dip WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down, and they took previous transplant hair from above that line, then those hairs will not be DHT resistant

DUH

» » » » That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more
» » » injections
» » » » in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for
» » » » minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections
» » every
» » » so
» » » » often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry :frowning:
» » »
» » » Would you rather be bald?
» » »
» » » We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller, handsomer,
» » » smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a technology
» » that
» » » could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be enthusiastic,
» » board
» » » members keep adding on additional requirements.
» » »
» » » As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy with a
» » » treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental
» » » treatments.
» »
» » Well, since transplanted hair is DHT resistant (even very early
» transplant
» » technology like plugs will remain when surrounding scalp loses original
» » hair)
» » and since the androgen receptors are commonly attributed to dermal
» papilla
» » cells, and since it is the dermal papilla cells that are being
» multiplied
» » and injected up top, you could argue we have a good shot at some pretty
» » resilient hair. The real challenge is getting the dermal papilla cells
» to
» » form hair in the first place.
»
» transplanted hair is not necessarly DHT resistant
»
» that is assuming they took it from below wherever the side hair will
» eventually recede to…if you go to a NW8 later on, and the
» sides dip WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down, and they took previous transplant
» hair from above that line, then those hairs will not be DHT resistant
»
» DUH

Correct. That is assuming the donor hair is DHT resistant. Shouldn’t that have been obvious?

» » » » » That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more
» » » » injections
» » » » » in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly for
» » » » » minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex injections
» » » every
» » » » so
» » » » » often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry
» :frowning:
» » » »
» » » » Would you rather be bald?
» » » »
» » » » We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller,
» handsomer,
» » » » smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a
» technology
» » » that
» » » » could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be
» enthusiastic,
» » » board
» » » » members keep adding on additional requirements.
» » » »
» » » » As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy with
» a
» » » » treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental
» » » » treatments.
» » »
» » » Well, since transplanted hair is DHT resistant (even very early
» » transplant
» » » technology like plugs will remain when surrounding scalp loses
» original
» » » hair)
» » » and since the androgen receptors are commonly attributed to dermal
» » papilla
» » » cells, and since it is the dermal papilla cells that are being
» » multiplied
» » » and injected up top, you could argue we have a good shot at some
» pretty
» » » resilient hair. The real challenge is getting the dermal papilla
» cells
» » to
» » » form hair in the first place.
» »
» » transplanted hair is not necessarly DHT resistant
» »
» » that is assuming they took it from below wherever the side hair will
» » eventually recede to…if you go to a NW8 later on, and
» the
» » sides dip WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down, and they took previous
» transplant
» » hair from above that line, then those hairs will not be DHT resistant
» »
» » DUH
»
» Correct. That is assuming the donor hair is DHT resistant. Shouldn’t that
» have been obvious?

the statement was made that transplanted hair is DHT resistant, as if this was true always, or by default

just because the doc doing the transplant, predicts that this harvested area is in a location that will not go bald in the future, means nothing

his is only a prediction.
thus we can conclude, just by chance, many transplanted hairs are NOT Dht resistant

» » » » » » That would be pretty sad if we have to keep going back for more
» » » » » injections
» » » » » » in order to maintain the hair. Not only are we paying monthly
» for
» » » » » » minoxidil, Propecia, we now have to pay for intercytex
» injections
» » » » every
» » » » » so
» » » » » » often. There’s no end in sight until we are all sucked $$$$ dry
» » :frowning:
» » » » »
» » » » » Would you rather be bald?
» » » » »
» » » » » We’d all like a magic wand that makes us thinner, taller,
» » handsomer,
» » » » » smarter, etc., etc., etc., but this is reality. Here is a
» » technology
» » » » that
» » » » » could potentially restore our hair, and rather than be
» » enthusiastic,
» » » » board
» » » » » members keep adding on additional requirements.
» » » » »
» » » » » As long as it doesn’t give me cancer or scar me, I’d be happy
» with
» » a
» » » » » treatment that restores hair but requires additional supplimental
» » » » » treatments.
» » » »
» » » » Well, since transplanted hair is DHT resistant (even very early
» » » transplant
» » » » technology like plugs will remain when surrounding scalp loses
» » original
» » » » hair)
» » » » and since the androgen receptors are commonly attributed to dermal
» » » papilla
» » » » cells, and since it is the dermal papilla cells that are being
» » » multiplied
» » » » and injected up top, you could argue we have a good shot at some
» » pretty
» » » » resilient hair. The real challenge is getting the dermal papilla
» » cells
» » » to
» » » » form hair in the first place.
» » »
» » » transplanted hair is not necessarly DHT resistant
» » »
» » » that is assuming they took it from below wherever the side hair will
» » » eventually recede to…if you go to a NW8 later on,
» and
» » the
» » » sides dip WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY down, and they took previous
» » transplant
» » » hair from above that line, then those hairs will not be DHT resistant
» » »
» » » DUH
» »
» » Correct. That is assuming the donor hair is DHT resistant. Shouldn’t
» that
» » have been obvious?
»
» the statement was made that transplanted hair is DHT resistant, as if this
» was true always, or by default
»
» just because the doc doing the transplant, predicts that this harvested
» area is in a location that will not go bald in the future, means nothing
»
» his is only a prediction.
» thus we can conclude, just by chance, many transplanted hairs are NOT Dht
» resistant

Correct again. DHT resistance is a crapshoot. Who knows if old plugs that remain after years and years are DHT resistant at all? They could be flooded with DHT. Each hair could be saturated at any given moment with androgens, throwing all the local male wildlife into fight-or-flight response and attracting every hot chick from every bar in the neighborhood to the man’s doorstep.

I think this debate is starting to miss the point.

Q. How does ICX-TRC work to revive weak/dead hairs in the first place?

A. By taking DP cells from the donor area (read: genetically DHT resistant) and injecting them into the non-resistant areas that no longer have enough decent DP cells to function correctly.

The donor DP cells are genetically programmed to be what they are. That’s all. No more, no less. The donor-area DP cells could no more lose their genetic DHT resistance than the balding-zone DP cells would be able to magically acquire a genetic DHT resistance.

So, if the TRC’d hairs are regrowing at all, then logically it HAS to be the product of the injected DP cells. And if the injected DP cells are functioning at all, then logically they HAVE to still show DHT resistance like they did originally in the donor zone.

It would take a much bigger leap of faith to think that the new DP cells in the TRC’d hairs have lost DHT resistance than it would take to conclude that they have just retained it.

(Now, are Follica’s new hairs gonna grow fully DHT resistant, having been totally produced by the programming of the original balding skin they’re in? It could happen, but I think all bets are definitely still off on that one.)