» » There you go again, Hangin.
» » I call bullsh*t on that assertion. I say you can’t base that on
» » Can you produce me one single plausible argument for why you are
» » about that?
» » Can you tell me why the researchers couldn’t possibly know the answer
» » this until the first batch of commerical patients has already had years
» » real-world life behind them in another 5-10 years?
» » Can you paint me an oil portrait of why ICX would have chosen to piss
» » zillions of dollars on a HM effor that would obviously be a huge
» » disappointment, and developed a method of cellular therapy EXPRESSLY TO
» » THIS PARTICULAR PROBLEM, but then pressed onwards to market a precedure
» » without actually seeing if it works? Even when this issue could have
» » checked in the earliest stages of testing?
» » Can you produce for me just ONE argument, that makes sense, and is NOT
» » essentially an example of: “It hasn’t been done in the past, so
» » it’s logical to argue that it probably won’t work and everyone is most
» » likely wrong”?]
» you are telling us that they have already successful patients in the real
» world for 5 to 10 years…when they are only halfway finished
» with their trials?
» that is preposterous.
» who are these patients where are their pics
» how can they have successful patients when the product is not even
» commercially available
» are you speaking of the test subjects?? your whole argument is so
» ridiculous it is laughable
He has as much, if not more proof that the hairs are DHT resistant that you have to prove they are not DHT resistant.
All you are basing your statement on is an assumption that the hairs aren’t/wont be DHT resistant, prove to me that they aren’t! wheres your evidence?
As it was pointed out to me recently (not sure if it was on this site, can’t be bothered to check) some of the trialists’ had the procedure a number of years ago (IIRC five/six years ago) and the hairs regrown have survived thus far.
I would call anyone that has grown at least 1 hair and maintained it for six years “successful in the real world” and TRC doesn’t have to immediately commercially available for it to be successfully able to grow DHT resistant hair.
I know your probably going to ask for proof or pictures but I don’t see how you can tell if hairs are DHT resistant from looking at a photograph?
I would take Intercytex word as proof enough at the moment, until they release any more information.
It is proof enough for me that they are confident enough to be continuing with trials.
I don’t think you are in the position to call anyones claims “laughable or ridiculous” when all you are basing your claims on assumptions/guesses.
No offense but Cal is right, reading some of your previous posts you do seem to have outlook that if it hasn’t worked in the past, it will not possibly work in the future, at all!
Before you say that I’m being overly optimistic, I’m not, I just try and base what I say on on written evidence readily available and the overwhelming inevitability that technology/science will and does progressively advance. I also don’t try and push my theories as a factual statement.
I’m not trying to start a ‘keyboard war’ with you and waste peoples time like you do with rev and others by creating irrelevant posts while you argue.
I’m looking for an intelligent conversation.
Even If you disagree with me, a friendly debate is welcome.
If you respond with any childishness your post will not be acknowledged by me.
I realize my post may seem a little arrogant, but that is not my intention and I apologize if thats how I come across,
To the original poster of this thread, sorry for the thread-jack…
If its good news, I would look forward to the progression of the remainder of the trial and possibility of commercialization within a few years.
If its exceptionally good news I.E they are starting phase III with small scale commercialization I would be looking into buying my train ticket to Manchester. :lookaround:
If its bad new, I.e the are scrapping TRC, I would start looking more into other companies such Follica or Aderans etc and putting my hopes onto them, theres always Neosh101, Asc-j9 (sp) and other non HM treatments possibly on the horizon.
I would also consider the inevitable fact that I one day may be bald and face up to the possibility that I may need to shave my head (although that may be a fair few years away as at the moment my loss is only very slight and only really noticeable to me).
If it is just a setback I don’t think I would be too bothered, It just may mean a longer wait.
On another note,
Am I right in thinking that your natural hair doesn’t become sensitive to DHT until It increases to a certain level after puberty?
If this is the case then it is possible that hair grown by TRC would be DHT resistant as it would be susceptible to the the level of DHT currently in your body (unless one is on the likes of Finasteride) and would start to miniaturize immediately and not last a number of years.
Does this sound plausible to any body?
Theres also the possibility of the hairs native dermal papilla taking on the characteristics of the cultured dermal papilla and therefore acting like the non MPB hairs on the back of the head and possibly not having DHT receptors at all!
What are peoples thoughts?