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I think people in here are way too optimistic


#1

if you see it from a neutral point of view these treatments we always speak of are experimental. and they got a good chance to fail. it doesnt matter how many studies on mice or even self-testing experiments we got, they all have one thing together, they are experimental. i think if you view it from a business point of view, all these companies are maybe worth 50 million $. compared to the billions of $ they could make if it worked, thats way less. so investors dont think these treatments have a good chance of working. sure they got a chance or else noone wouldnt research it, but i think its maybe 20 % for each if not less.
this is the only forum i know of, where are so many people and so many hopes about new hairloss treatments. i dont want to see it pessimisticly, i just want to put things in relation. the only thing in here is some information about new treatments beeing tested and…hope.
to sum it up, people in here put way too many hopes in new treatments. the reason for that is, how i think, desperation and unrealistic thinking. but its just true, these tested treatments have a big chance of failing.
you can see this desperation and unrealistic thinking in many posts. guys in here take every little information and exaggerate it. only a few posters dont do that. one example is maybe willy. he sees the chance of failing, too. its nice that he tries to change something, but the chances of acell are still small. that willy contaced acell and doctors was maybe the first time that this forum had a sense other than raising (false) hopes.
noone out there except the companies theirself (who need to raise money with their promises) says so much and so often that intercytex, aderans, acell , follica have such a chance of working like people in here think.
i know im not the first one who says that, but i think its important that not only people like hangingthere and fckhrls (who fight more than discussing) say that.


#2

How many threads do we need on discussing who is being too optimistic or pessimistic? Not talking directly to you here helpme but I think it’s pretty ridiculous that people are trying to force others into their way of thinking.

This has turned into a board discussing peoples personal opinions rather than a board discussing science and scientific development and certain people are slowly dwindling away all the intelligent posters with this barrage of childish bickering and provocation. I see James Bond has all but disappeared, wonder who will go next.

What irritates me the most is that the board seems to be moderated when it comes to content, but all the ridiculous and petty arguments threads aren’t locked, it’s just a playground for attention seekers.


#3

» How many threads do we need on discussing who is being too optimistic or
» pessimistic? Not talking directly to you here helpme but I think it’s
» pretty ridiculous that people are trying to force others into their way of
» thinking.
»
» This has turned into a board discussing peoples personal opinions rather
» than a board discussing science and scientific development and certain
» people are slowly dwindling away all the intelligent posters with this
» barrage of childish bickering and provocation. I see James Bond has all
» but disappeared, wonder who will go next.
»
» What irritates me the most is that the board seems to be moderated when it
» comes to content, but all the ridiculous and petty arguments threads aren’t
» locked, it’s just a playground for attention seekers.

first, i dont want to talk people into beeing optimistic or pessimistic. this thread is more about myself and i see that im much influenced by this optimism. i dont want to hope for anything just coz of optimistic posters in here.

and second, this board isnt a board for discussing science and scientific develpment only. i dont think anyone on this board is just interested in scientifical things. everyone in here hopes for new treatments for hairloss. myself and you included. but this overly optimism makes you think that there is something in front of your door.

you cannot discuss research for hairloss under people with hairloss without beeing involved personally. posts like mine and maybe even hanging’s want to say that people stop grasping every blade of gras.

if people in here would write scientifical, the forum would look a lot other than it currently looks.

you cannot make a difference between posts like mine and the “scientifical” posts. because in every “scientifical” post made on the research section, there is hope involved. i think its very wrong to say that my post or hanging’s dont belong in here and posts with optimism belong in here. read the threads, you will see that 4/5 of all posts are combined with hope or with the opposite.

science is much other than what is going on in this section. i wrote about the business point of view. this is a point of view, which is at least a lot scientifical. there are people out there who know the business science behind these companies and if you look how much or better less these companies are worth, then you can see that the chance of their treatments coming to market is very very low.

that is what i wanted to say. and i dont want to think there will be something out in 5 years just of such optimistic …or should i better say desperate …posters. like i said 4/5 of the posts in here are not scientifical or at least near scientical. i think with this hanging is right, people in here dont want to hear the truth and everyone who writes something different than this “cheerleading” is an asshole.

i dont want to change people with my post, because that is senseless, i could never succeed with this. but its a post to show my point of view and i think i might leave the forum coz there wont be anything usable out in the next 10 years better than fin, minox and hair transplants.


#4

» How many threads do we need on discussing who is being too optimistic or
» pessimistic? Not talking directly to you here helpme but I think it’s
» pretty ridiculous that people are trying to force others into their way of
» thinking.
»
» This has turned into a board discussing peoples personal opinions rather
» than a board discussing science and scientific development and certain
» people are slowly dwindling away all the intelligent posters with this
» barrage of childish bickering and provocation. I see James Bond has all
» but disappeared, wonder who will go next.
»
» What irritates me the most is that the board seems to be moderated when it
» comes to content, but all the ridiculous and petty arguments threads aren’t
» locked, it’s just a playground for attention seekers.

for god’s sakes, tyler, there are interviews with dr. washenik about aderans still posted prominently on hairsite, where he is all excited and enthused about their technology being nearly ready… some of these interviews are from FIVE YEARS AGO!!!

there is an announcement still posted prominently on hairsite about icx’s recruiting of trial patients – from 2005! three solid years ago!!

the excitement about hm has completely died down to nothing now… we don’t hear a peep out of either icx or aderans about hm. i did receive an email from intercytex this morning about how they just got new funding of 2.75 million british pounds… but that doesn’t mean much, because it’s gonna be shared among their 5 or 6 different products… it’s not just for trc.

and they only give trc a passing mention now, it’s always listed last among the 5 or 6 technologies they have under development. and with tiny trials of 9 or 10 patients at a time, half of whom always seem to drop out for unknown reasons, well, this doesn’t look too promising.

and what’s with aderans? they haven’t even gotten off the ground yet in the usa… no trials at all announced here, after all this time!

even for a new drug or new medical procedure, this is an UNUSUALLY LONG TIME to be “under development” without any news, no announcements of trials, no nothing!

i know i’ll be attacked for saying this by some, but this is just MY OPINION: hm looks totally dead in the water!

even icx mentioned, all of a sudden, that they wanted to dermabrade people’s scalps now or something… which looks like they are trying to latch onto whatever seems to be “hot” in the industry right now… which seems to be follica… although even from follica we don’t hear much, except that they recently got $11 million in funding.

follica’s $11 million in funding is A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT than icx’s 2.75 million pounds. 2.75 million UK pounds is about us $ 5.8 million, which is HALF of what follica raised. it is a truly paltry sum.

and icx’s money has to be spread out among 5-6 totally different products, whereas follica’s $11 million is presumably just for hair regrowth, because they really don’t say anything about any other product.


#5

» » How many threads do we need on discussing who is being too optimistic or
» » pessimistic? Not talking directly to you here helpme but I think it’s
» » pretty ridiculous that people are trying to force others into their way
» of
» » thinking.
» »
» » This has turned into a board discussing peoples personal opinions
» rather
» » than a board discussing science and scientific development and certain
» » people are slowly dwindling away all the intelligent posters with this
» » barrage of childish bickering and provocation. I see James Bond has
» all
» » but disappeared, wonder who will go next.
» »
» » What irritates me the most is that the board seems to be moderated when
» it
» » comes to content, but all the ridiculous and petty arguments threads
» aren’t
» » locked, it’s just a playground for attention seekers.
»
» for god’s sakes, tyler, there are interviews with dr. washenik about
» aderans still posted prominently on hairsite, where he is all excited and
» enthused about their technology being nearly ready… some of these
» interviews are from FIVE YEARS AGO!!!
»
» there is an announcement still posted prominently on hairsite about icx’s
» recruiting of trial patients – from 2005! three solid years ago!!
»
» the excitement about hm has completely died down to nothing now… we
» don’t hear a peep out of either icx or aderans about hm. i did receive an
» email from intercytex this morning about how they just got new
» funding of 2.75 million british pounds… but that doesn’t mean much,
» because it’s gonna be shared among their 5 or 6 different products… it’s
» not just for trc.
»
» and they only give trc a passing mention now, it’s always listed last
» among the 5 or 6 technologies they have under development. and with tiny
» trials of 9 or 10 patients at a time, half of whom always seem to drop out
» for unknown reasons, well, this doesn’t look too promising.
»
» and what’s with aderans? they haven’t even gotten off the ground yet in
» the usa… no trials at all announced here, after all this time!
»
» even for a new drug or new medical procedure, this is an UNUSUALLY LONG
» TIME to be “under development” without any news, no announcements of
» trials, no nothing!
»
» i know i’ll be attacked for saying this by some, but this is just MY
» OPINION: hm looks totally dead in the water!
»
» even icx mentioned, all of a sudden, that they wanted to dermabrade
» people’s scalps now or something… which looks like they are trying to
» latch onto whatever seems to be “hot” in the industry right now… which
» seems to be follica… although even from follica we don’t hear much,
» except that they recently got $11 million in funding.
»
» follica’s $11 million in funding is A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT than icx’s 2.75
» million pounds. 2.75 million UK pounds is about us $ 5.8 million, which
» is HALF of what follica raised. it is a truly paltry sum.
»
» and icx’s money has to be spread out among 5-6 totally different products,
» whereas follica’s $11 million is presumably just for hair regrowth, because
» they really don’t say anything about any other product.

I agree.

Intercytex: Dead
Aderans: Dead
ACell: Very, very doubtful
Follica: Maybe

Follica is the only one of these companies that is currently raising a lot of money. Follica is a startup biotech, so of course we cannot count on it. At the same time venture capitalists would not give away a total of $16 million toward funding a dead-end treatment. Follica is a maybe, and no one should take it for any more or less than it is.


#6

» » » How many threads do we need on discussing who is being too optimistic
» or
» » » pessimistic? Not talking directly to you here helpme but I think
» it’s
» » » pretty ridiculous that people are trying to force others into their
» way
» » of
» » » thinking.
» » »
» » » This has turned into a board discussing peoples personal opinions
» » rather
» » » than a board discussing science and scientific development and
» certain
» » » people are slowly dwindling away all the intelligent posters with
» this
» » » barrage of childish bickering and provocation. I see James Bond has
» » all
» » » but disappeared, wonder who will go next.
» » »
» » » What irritates me the most is that the board seems to be moderated
» when
» » it
» » » comes to content, but all the ridiculous and petty arguments threads
» » aren’t
» » » locked, it’s just a playground for attention seekers.
» »
» » for god’s sakes, tyler, there are interviews with dr. washenik about
» » aderans still posted prominently on hairsite, where he is all excited
» and
» » enthused about their technology being nearly ready… some of these
» » interviews are from FIVE YEARS AGO!!!
» »
» » there is an announcement still posted prominently on hairsite about
» icx’s
» » recruiting of trial patients – from 2005! three solid years ago!!
» »
» » the excitement about hm has completely died down to nothing now… we
» » don’t hear a peep out of either icx or aderans about hm. i did receive
» an
» » email from intercytex this morning about how they just got new
» » funding of 2.75 million british pounds… but that doesn’t mean much,
» » because it’s gonna be shared among their 5 or 6 different products…
» it’s
» » not just for trc.
» »
» » and they only give trc a passing mention now, it’s always listed last
» » among the 5 or 6 technologies they have under development. and with
» tiny
» » trials of 9 or 10 patients at a time, half of whom always seem to drop
» out
» » for unknown reasons, well, this doesn’t look too promising.
» »
» » and what’s with aderans? they haven’t even gotten off the ground yet
» in
» » the usa… no trials at all announced here, after all this time!
» »
» » even for a new drug or new medical procedure, this is an UNUSUALLY LONG
» » TIME to be “under development” without any news, no announcements of
» » trials, no nothing!
» »
» » i know i’ll be attacked for saying this by some, but this is just MY
» » OPINION: hm looks totally dead in the water!
» »
» » even icx mentioned, all of a sudden, that they wanted to dermabrade
» » people’s scalps now or something… which looks like they are trying to
» » latch onto whatever seems to be “hot” in the industry right now…
» which
» » seems to be follica… although even from follica we don’t hear much,
» » except that they recently got $11 million in funding.
» »
» » follica’s $11 million in funding is A LOT MORE SIGNIFICANT than icx’s
» 2.75
» » million pounds. 2.75 million UK pounds is about us $ 5.8 million,
» which
» » is HALF of what follica raised. it is a truly paltry sum.
» »
» » and icx’s money has to be spread out among 5-6 totally different
» products,
» » whereas follica’s $11 million is presumably just for hair regrowth,
» because
» » they really don’t say anything about any other product.
»
» I agree.
»
» Intercytex: Dead
» Aderans: Dead
» ACell: Very, very doubtful
» Follica: Maybe
»
» Follica is the only one of these companies that is currently raising a lot
» of money. Follica is a startup biotech, so of course we cannot count on
» it. At the same time venture capitalists would not give away a total of
» $16 million toward funding a dead-end treatment. Follica is a maybe, and
» no one should take it for any more or less than it is.

right, the chance is there, but 16 million $ are nothing compared to the 10 billion $ they could make per year. if it was really hopeful then they would invest more, i think.


#7

» if you see it from a neutral point of view these treatments we always speak
» of are experimental. and they got a good chance to fail. it doesnt matter
» how many studies on mice or even self-testing experiments we got, they all
» have one thing together, they are experimental. i think if you view it from
» a business point of view, all these companies are maybe worth 50 million $.
» compared to the billions of $ they could make if it worked, thats way less.
» so investors dont think these treatments have a good chance of working.
» sure they got a chance or else noone wouldnt research it, but i think its
» maybe 20 % for each if not less.
» this is the only forum i know of, where are so many people and so many
» hopes about new hairloss treatments. i dont want to see it pessimisticly, i
» just want to put things in relation. the only thing in here is some
» information about new treatments beeing tested and…hope.
» to sum it up, people in here put way too many hopes in new treatments. the
» reason for that is, how i think, desperation and unrealistic thinking. but
» its just true, these tested treatments have a big chance of failing.
» you can see this desperation and unrealistic thinking in many posts. guys
» in here take every little information and exaggerate it. only a few posters
» dont do that. one example is maybe willy. he sees the chance of failing,
» too. its nice that he tries to change something, but the chances of acell
» are still small. that willy contaced acell and doctors was maybe the first
» time that this forum had a sense other than raising (false) hopes.
» noone out there except the companies theirself (who need to raise money
» with their promises) says so much and so often that intercytex, aderans,
» acell , follica have such a chance of working like people in here think.
» i know im not the first one who says that, but i think its important that
» not only people like hangingthere and fckhrls (who fight more than
» discussing) say that.

I THINK UR GAY! LMAO