I cannot believe this

You do generally come accross as quite stupid.

try across.

Whats with all the lame signatures and refering to your self in the third person anyway?

try referring and yourself.

and i refer to myself in the third person because i am baldbaby. bow down to me, ye ignorant peon!!!

What I know about patents is not important anyway, infact I don’t even
care what you think I know.

try in fact. there is no such word as “infact”.

» Your the one “spouting” a load of crap you know nothing about, its obvious
and you have pretty much already admited it.

try you’re. and admitted.

feeble atempt to seem you know what your on about, back tracking and making up a whole load of rubish.

try attempt. and rubbish.

be combined and used for different purposes, I.e Gefitnib (a cancer
drug, for EGFR inhibition) finasteride (to inhibit DHT) anti-inflamitory (for
inflamation) etc.

try inflammatory and inflammation.

I do know how patents are writen, thanks.

if you knew how the english language were written, maybe i would believe you know how patents are written.

and that IS written, with two t’s.

» Sceptic, the only factor clearly different from a live human is the fact
» that the immune systems of the mice are suppressed to keep them from
» rejecting the human skin graft. That’s all.
»
»
»
» If you wanna start insisting “We don’t know for sure, we don’t know
» anything about what other unforseen factors might be different until we try
» it” then you can do that.
»
» And just because you observe that a bear shts in the woods, you might not
» be able to guarantee that it can take the same sh
t indoors. But it
» probably can.

LOL

Honestly Cal, I really wonder what the motivations of some folks are to “talk down” the latest promising approaches. Out of Aderans (phase two in the US!), Follica (now starting human testing at Harvard), ACELL (looks good on animals, and one hair transplant doctor is trying it on donor-scars already), and Histogen, …the math is in the favor of a real, legitimate, scientific way to “make” more donor area follicles available, or even make more hair out of your skin period.

One wonders if these are sales personell for wigs, conventional strip-scar transplants, whatever. I cannot fathom why so many naysayers want to spend so much of their spare time coming to a chat forum supposedly dedicated to advances in follicle dermatological science and obfusciate anyone talking about the reprucussions of recent scientific discoveries related to the hair follicle and how to “make” more of them whether by cell culturing, stem-cell activation, etc. Makes you think that its more than their concern for humanity doesn’t it?

Yeah, I really don’t know.

Never underestimate the power of emotional coping mechanisms, though. Refusing to let yourself believe in anything uncertain can be a powerful self-preservation impulse I guess. And swaying others to their side validates their viewpoint when it’s shaky.

I dunno, are guys like us doing the same thing (the other direction) though?

I respond to a lot of questions, but I usually only get strongly riled up about the HM optimists/pessimists issue when I feel the negative posts are in danger of implying misleading information. I guess that’s a lesser degree of the same thing we’re accusing baldbaby of.

Whatever.

(BTW, Benji, I intend to write you a PM on the other board some time soon.)

» » Sceptic, the only factor clearly different from a live human is the fact
» » that the immune systems of the mice are suppressed to keep them from
» » rejecting the human skin graft. That’s all.
» »
» »
» »
» » If you wanna start insisting “We don’t know for sure, we don’t know
» » anything about what other unforseen factors might be different until we
» try
» » it” then you can do that.
» »
» » And just because you observe that a bear shts in the woods, you might
» not
» » be able to guarantee that it can take the same sh
t indoors. But it
» » probably can.
»
»
»
»
» LOL
»
»
»
» Honestly Cal, I really wonder what the motivations of some folks are to
» “talk down” the latest promising approaches. Out of Aderans (phase two in
» the US!), Follica (now starting human testing at Harvard), ACELL (looks
» good on animals, and one hair transplant doctor is trying it on donor-scars
» already), and Histogen, …the math is in the favor of a
» real, legitimate, scientific way to “make” more donor area follicles
» available, or even make more hair out of your skin period.
»
»
» One wonders if these are sales personell for wigs, conventional strip-scar
» transplants, whatever. I cannot fathom why so many naysayers want to spend
» so much of their spare time coming to a chat forum supposedly dedicated to
» advances in follicle dermatological science and obfusciate anyone talking
» about the reprucussions of recent scientific discoveries related to the
» hair follicle and how to “make” more of them whether by cell culturing,
» stem-cell activation, etc. Makes you think that its more than their concern
» for humanity doesn’t it?

I’m suspecting a vested bias somewhere too. It makes no sense for someone to be so opposed to progress and people being proactive, on a message board FFS. It is almost orcastrated, tactical. Also notice how they will not talk about what ECM is: how they have never acknowledged how it regenerates local tissue to local tissue, how our body uses it every day to regenerate every tissue we have. It is almost like they are so fearful for us to even consider it as a scalp application in logic. It is almost like they don’t want us to know our scalp uses ECM.

I bet their post count is twice that of others too. My thinking is they are desperate for us to believe something… Very suspect

It looks like they are so consumed that they can’t see they might be becoming transparent to those sitting back looking in.

If you are trapped on an island, would you critise someone building a fishing net?

Haha, typos happen when its late and you type fast, your spelling and grammer aren’t perfect aswell, so your in no position to judge mine.
Anyway, what is this an English lesson? You have to take it off topic because your argument is so pathetic.
I would have said you still understand what I wrote, but I’m not sure now.

Glad all you could do is pick out spelling mistakes, bravo.

Idiot.

All you do is come here and write bull.
You make no attempt to learn, you make bull sh!t replies after barely reading/understanding what the people said to you.
You try and shoot down people trying to be proactive about things you know nothing about.

You talk about your self in a crazy way and write pitiful signatures in attempt to look cool to a bunch of stangers on an internet forum :-D:-D .
Bow down to baldbaby? I don’t think so moron, your laughable.

I think my point has been proved. I don’t really value your oppinion anyway so GTFO.
I really don’t care about anything you have to say about me or aything for that matter.
You can reply to me as much as you like in your infintile way but I won’t be responding, I am able to get on with my life.
As far as I’m concerned this is end of story, so bye.

baldbaby, talking bollocks since da 0-8.

» who says these docs are testing Acell? prove it
» just because they humored you by answering your letter, means nothing

Humor yourself, and give them a call. I’ll even track down the numbers if it saves Will from your (insulting) comments. You’re an adult hanging, you can find your own proof. You don’t need us to hold your hand. Do you?

.

I’m suspecting a vested bias somewhere too. It makes no sense for someone to be so opposed to progress and people being proactive, on a message board FFS. It is almost orcastrated, tactical. Also notice how they will not talk about what ECM is: how they have never acknowledged how it regenerates local tissue to local tissue, how our body uses it every day to regenerate every tissue we have. It is almost like they are so fearful for us to even consider it as a scalp application in logic. It is almost like they don’t want us to know our scalp uses ECM.

I bet their post count is twice that of others too. My thinking is they are desperate for us to believe something… Very suspect

It looks like they are so consumed that they can’t see they might be becoming transparent to those sitting back looking in.

If you are trapped on an island, would you critise someone building a fishing net?

These guys wouldn’t only criticize someone for making a fishing net (with childish insults no doubt), but they would: dispute the technology that went into the fishing net, the fact they’re trapped on an island, and the very notion fish reside in the sea. Than they would further the insult by calling you a stalker for confronting them and their idiocy.

Honestly, it’s pointless to argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

.

» » who says these docs are testing Acell? prove it
» » just because they humored you by answering your letter, means nothing
»
» Humor yourself, and give them a call. I’ll even track down the numbers if
» it saves Will from your (insulting) comments. You’re an adult hanging, you
» can find your own proof. You don’t need us to hold your hand. Do you?
»
»
» .

rev you have backed me up a few times lately and vice versa

i will not engage at this time…:smiley:

» » They should have contacted Hangin…but they couldn’t find him living
» in
» » his hut.
» »
» » They could have contacted Baldbaby…but he was too busy trying to act
» » like a rapper (come on man…grow up!)
» »
» » They would have contacted fckhrls…but he is too busy saving people
» from
» » themselves. He’s such a nice guy.
» »
» »
» » Unfortunately, these guys were busy, so they had to continue to test
» » Acell’s ECM with an open mind and await the results.
»
» who says these docs are testing Acell? prove it
»
» just because they humored you by answering your letter, means nothing

I went for the obvious:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-34927-page-2-category-1-order-last_answer.html

Are they just trying to humor David also?

Answer this for me Hangin’…what would be one good reason that I would waste my time on Acell if my efforts weren’t sincere. I’ve said all along that it has the possibility to regenerate removed donor tissue and donor hair. I still believe that. I must admit that I was hoping to hear some positive news by now and hope that is not a bad sign. Everything seems to take longer that one would expect but that is out of my hands. At this point, I’m just waiting for results like everyone else.

I really don’t understand why there are the chosen few who are so anti-Acell. You should be happy that the doctors are trying it. If it fails, you are out nothing. You people act as if you have something to lose if this product fails. I’m also sick and tired of hearing that this inhibits the discussion of “the real science of hairloss” on this forum. To be honest, I’m not that interested in the science behind hairloss…I just want a full head of hair again. I’m thankful that there are people who are interested in the science of researching for a hairloss treatment, but I would venture to say that most (if not all) of the people who post here regularly are not qualified to offer any true input to the science of hairloss. My brother (who posts here often) has a masters degree in biology and doesn’t claim to have the background or posess the knowledge to understand the true science of hairloss. Furthemore, how would my posts of Acell prevent you from discussing your own subjects about hairloss? Just don’t read my threads and move on to your own discussions.

» They should have contacted Hangin…but they couldn’t find him living in
» his hut.
»
» They could have contacted Baldbaby…but he was too busy trying to act
» like a rapper (come on man…grow up!)
»
» They would have contacted fckhrls…but he is too busy saving people from
» themselves. He’s such a nice guy.
»
»
» Unfortunately, these guys were busy, so they had to continue to test
» Acell’s ECM with an open mind and await the results.

No, they shouldn’t have contacted Hangin, or Baldbaby, or me. They also shouldn’t depend on HT docs to “test” their product for them. They should have contacted research scientists who don’t have anything to gain from the results of their study.

» » » They should have contacted Hangin…but they couldn’t find him living
» » in
» » » his hut.
» » »
» » » They could have contacted Baldbaby…but he was too busy trying to
» act
» » » like a rapper (come on man…grow up!)
» » »
» » » They would have contacted fckhrls…but he is too busy saving people
» » from
» » » themselves. He’s such a nice guy.
» » »
» » »
» » » Unfortunately, these guys were busy, so they had to continue to test
» » » Acell’s ECM with an open mind and await the results.
» »
» » who says these docs are testing Acell? prove it
» »
» » just because they humored you by answering your letter, means nothing
»
»
»
»
» I went for the obvious:
»
» http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-34927-page-2-category-1-order-last_answer.html
»
» Are they just trying to humor David also?
»
» Answer this for me Hangin’…what would be one good reason that I would
» waste my time on Acell if my efforts weren’t sincere. I’ve said all along
» that it has the possibility to regenerate removed donor tissue and
» donor hair. I still believe that. I must admit that I was hoping to hear
» some positive news by now and hope that is not a bad sign. Everything
» seems to take longer that one would expect but that is out of my hands. At
» this point, I’m just waiting for results like everyone else.
»
» I really don’t understand why there are the chosen few who are so
» anti-Acell. You should be happy that the doctors are trying it. If it
» fails, you are out nothing. You people act as if you have something to
» lose if this product fails. I’m also sick and tired of hearing that this
» inhibits the discussion of “the real science of hairloss” on this forum.
» To be honest, I’m not that interested in the science behind hairloss…I
» just want a full head of hair again. I’m thankful that there are people
» who are interested in the science of researching for a hairloss treatment,
» but I would venture to say that most (if not all) of the people who post
» here regularly are not qualified to offer any true input to the science of
» hairloss. My brother (who posts here often) has a masters degree in
» biology and doesn’t claim to have the background or posess the knowledge to
» understand the true science of hairloss. Furthemore, how would my posts
» of Acell prevent you from discussing your own subjects about hairloss?
» Just don’t read my threads and move on to your own discussions.

its good what you did. it was the first time that this forum was worth anything. all this discussions are for nothing, but you actually did something. i appreciate much what you did for us!

» » They should have contacted Hangin…but they couldn’t find him living
» in
» » his hut.
» »
» » They could have contacted Baldbaby…but he was too busy trying to act
» » like a rapper (come on man…grow up!)
» »
» » They would have contacted fckhrls…but he is too busy saving people
» from
» » themselves. He’s such a nice guy.
» »
» »
» » Unfortunately, these guys were busy, so they had to continue to test
» » Acell’s ECM with an open mind and await the results.
»
» No, they shouldn’t have contacted Hangin, or Baldbaby, or me. They also
» shouldn’t depend on HT docs to “test” their product for them. They should
» have contacted research scientists who don’t have anything to gain from the
» results of their study.

5 more years

» » » They should have contacted Hangin…but they couldn’t find him living
» » in
» » » his hut.
» » »
» » » They could have contacted Baldbaby…but he was too busy trying to
» act
» » » like a rapper (come on man…grow up!)
» » »
» » » They would have contacted fckhrls…but he is too busy saving people
» » from
» » » themselves. He’s such a nice guy.
» » »
» » »
» » » Unfortunately, these guys were busy, so they had to continue to test
» » » Acell’s ECM with an open mind and await the results.
» »
» » No, they shouldn’t have contacted Hangin, or Baldbaby, or me. They
» also
» » shouldn’t depend on HT docs to “test” their product for them. They
» should
» » have contacted research scientists who don’t have anything to gain from
» the
» » results of their study.
»
»
» 5 more years

Yeah, that’s what it takes to do good, verifiable science. Even if one of these HT docs claims it works, who’s going to believe him? Of course he’s going to say it works - it means another product he can sell the desperate like you who don’t understand the scientific method.

Hi Willy, thank you very much for the work you have made for us, when you

can contact the doctors that have tested acell to have some news???

» Hi Willy, thank you very much for the work you have made for us, when you
»
» can contact the doctors that have tested acell to have some news???

I am going to contact Acell next week. Hopefully, they will have some news about Dr. Umar’s results. I’ve never spoken to any of these doctors. Acell told me at the beginning of last week that Dr. Umar was supposed to report to them some time last week.

So are the docs and acell in contact?
Nähste week?Iam looking

thank you very much willy

» So If you want something sooner than 5 years away (and thats optimistic)
» then Baccy is your biggest hope. Follica nor ICX cant deliver faster then 5
» years from now on. Its technically not possible.
»

I and others have said this before. The problem: you got one or two guys experimenting b/c there are a few here that know more than others when it comes to all these topical “concoctions” and etc. etc… But really, we have enough people on this board and enough willing participants that would gladly be trialists. Instead of having to wait to see if 2 or 3 protocols could work, you could amplify the permutations and maybe we could nail this thing down even quicker. If, for instance, Baccy or Benji could lay out for us “dumb schmucks” different regimes with the exact timing and concentrations of solutions maybe this would make for a proactive board instead of the “bitch and whine” forum it has become. Just a suggestion. Please nobody get their panties in a wad.

» » So If you want something sooner than 5 years away (and thats optimistic)
» » then Baccy is your biggest hope. Follica nor ICX cant deliver faster
» then 5
» » years from now on. Its technically not possible.
» »
»
»
» I and others have said this before. The problem: you got one or two guys
» experimenting b/c there are a few here that know more than others when it
» comes to all these topical “concoctions” and etc. etc… But really, we have
» enough people on this board and enough willing participants that would
» gladly be trialists. Instead of having to wait to see if 2 or 3 protocols
» could work, you could amplify the permutations and maybe we could nail this
» thing down even quicker. If, for instance, Baccy or Benji could lay out for
» us “dumb schmucks” different regimes with the exact timing and
» concentrations of solutions maybe this would make for a proactive board
» instead of the “bitch and whine” forum it has become. Just a suggestion.
» Please nobody get their panties in a wad.

Maybe is not so simple to do in real, but the concept is (quite) right.

I’m sick of wait and also i don’t like sit and hope for cal/benji/baccy/taghol/anyone results .

Like me , i think other people feel the same.

» » So If you want something sooner than 5 years away (and thats optimistic)
» » then Baccy is your biggest hope. Follica nor ICX cant deliver faster
» then 5
» » years from now on. Its technically not possible.
» »
»
»
» I and others have said this before. The problem: you got one or two guys
» experimenting b/c there are a few here that know more than others when it
» comes to all these topical “concoctions” and etc. etc… But really, we have
» enough people on this board and enough willing participants that would
» gladly be trialists. Instead of having to wait to see if 2 or 3 protocols
» could work, you could amplify the permutations and maybe we could nail this
» thing down even quicker. If, for instance, Baccy or Benji could lay out for
» us “dumb schmucks” different regimes with the exact timing and
» concentrations of solutions maybe this would make for a proactive board
» instead of the “bitch and whine” forum it has become. Just a suggestion.
» Please nobody get their panties in a wad.

Alright, I’ll tell you what I think would be the most straightforward way to do this, but there will be side effects.

Day one, depilate balding areas with nair or tweeze them, wait three days.

Day four, abrade the scalp in several seperate half-inch semi-circle "wounds" with sandpaper leaving small amounts of unabraded skin between them, removing the upper epidermis, stop shampooing or even wetting your head at this time. 

Day 7, start taking cyclosporin and dutasteride internally, as per the instructions on the pills.

Day 7 or 8, when the skin has crusted and the crusts are beginning to really fall off...........start taking getfitinib internally

Day 9 through 11....keep taking cyclo, getfitinib, loniten (internal minoxidil tablets), and dutasteride



Day 12.....if you abraded right, you should be able to drop everything at this point. You might very gently begin to wash your hair again with a very mild shampoo for a few days----before returning to harsher shampoos.

If that didn’t work, then we’d have no hope whatsoever of it working at home for anyone. It eliminates all the variables. No topicals are used at all. During the experiment, it would be very prudent to cut out any drinking of teas or eating of apples or onions after day three post wounding because they contain quercetin, which inhibits wnt. It would be prudent not to eat any curcumoids post day three after wounding either. Thats every variable I could think of.

Thats a good five days of cyclosporin, getfitinib, and six days of dutasteride, and about three days of loniten. If you wounded deep enough but not too deep…you should get hair. One might get on the cyclo even one day earlier to make sure the immune system was really down during the re-epilithialization period. One would have to plan to be indoors (in a very clean house) during this time. It would be best not to even be outdoors or even getting hot and sweaty much.

Thats a lot to ask someone to do though. However, we dont know how various topicals might be sticking our fingers in the process. The epidermal stem cells that will build these hair cells might get interdicted by various carriers and excipients. Follica doesn’t even know all of that yet. Thats why this method is certainly going to take some testing on their part. The only way to eliminate those variables (unfortunately) would be to take the adjuvants internally or to inject them (like the experiments did). However the injections used synthetic drugs that we dont even possess and cannot buy. If you didn’t see hair sprouting in a month after this…you’d pretty much know that there is no way to do it at home. I think this would work if performed correctly because of the two getfitinib cancer patients (who had been through chemotherapy) who did have freak terminal dark hair growth----one even on the nose.

I think very few people would be willing to go through all of that though, and henceforth are probably better to wait and see if baccy has luck or to just wait for follica’s product to hit the market or Aderans product to be fully tested in phase 2 here. Im very confident we are near the end of the time that science cannot “make” more head hair for people. But in order for that to be on the “market” it will have to be tested and approved.