I cannot believe this

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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I haven’t been on this board since 2003, and we are STILL no closer to a HM solution. Back in 2000, it was 5 years away, then it was still 5 years in 2003. In 2005 I popped in just to peak, and we were still bombarded with 5 more years to a solution. It’s now almost 4 years. Where the hell is the progress?

Anyone here remember when Cohen Gho was the hot topic? Is he even still around? Does he do his FUE treatment still? Is it as effective as he says? Does it work exactly like he says, where the harvest folicals grow back? Because, if so, that seems the only viable method of recapturing hairlines in my estimation. Particularly if you have a difused loss to boot, like me.

I’ve given up on this whole HM crap. It doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Despite all the supposed “breakthroughs”, we’re still no closer. I’m done. Unless there’s something being released soon, and I mean imminantly, I’m not putting another moment’s thought to HM.

Anyone have any REAL information (not theories or hopes, but real facts) to change my mind?

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» I haven’t been on this board since 2003, and we are STILL no closer to a HM
» solution. Back in 2000, it was 5 years away, then it was still 5 years in
» 2003. In 2005 I popped in just to peak, and we were still bombarded with 5
» more years to a solution. It’s now almost 4 years. Where the hell is the
» progress?
»
» Anyone here remember when Cohen Gho was the hot topic? Is he even still
» around? Does he do his FUE treatment still? Is it as effective as he
» says? Does it work exactly like he says, where the harvest folicals grow
» back? Because, if so, that seems the only viable method of recapturing
» hairlines in my estimation. Particularly if you have a difused loss to
» boot, like me.
»
» I’ve given up on this whole HM crap. It doesn’t seem to be going
» anywhere. Despite all the supposed “breakthroughs”, we’re still no closer.
» I’m done. Unless there’s something being released soon, and I mean
» imminantly, I’m not putting another moment’s thought to HM.
»
» Anyone have any REAL information (not theories or hopes, but real facts)
» to change my mind?
Well, I don’t think anyone can say something to change your mind unfortunately. You are right, there are no new proven therapies that work in humans, only on mice. We have to wait for Follica, Aderans and Intercytex (the ones that are probably closest to bringing a new treatment to market). And how long will that take? Well, nobody really knows. Might take 2-3 years only for Follica as some imagine, but we really don’t know. Might take more than 5 years too.

I think this kind of situtation has been observed before in history, as you said in 2000, 2005 and other years. I really don’t think 2008 is much different. Only different thing is that there are NEW approaches available, but whether they work or not, or whether they will be here in 5 years or more, noone here can tell you. Only thing we can do is painfully wait, unfortunately…Unless you take actions and start asking the researchers for more info, but I don’t think they are willing to tell anything right now.

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» » I haven’t been on this board since 2003, and we are STILL no closer to a
» HM
» » solution. Back in 2000, it was 5 years away, then it was still 5 years
» in
» » 2003. In 2005 I popped in just to peak, and we were still bombarded
» with 5
» » more years to a solution. It’s now almost 4 years. Where the hell is
» the
» » progress?
» »
» » Anyone here remember when Cohen Gho was the hot topic? Is he even
» still
» » around? Does he do his FUE treatment still? Is it as effective as he
» » says? Does it work exactly like he says, where the harvest folicals
» grow
» » back? Because, if so, that seems the only viable method of recapturing
» » hairlines in my estimation. Particularly if you have a difused loss to
» » boot, like me.
» »
» » I’ve given up on this whole HM crap. It doesn’t seem to be going
» » anywhere. Despite all the supposed “breakthroughs”, we’re still no
» closer.
» » I’m done. Unless there’s something being released soon, and I mean
» » imminantly, I’m not putting another moment’s thought to HM.
» »
» » Anyone have any REAL information (not theories or hopes, but real
» facts)
» » to change my mind?
» Well, I don’t think anyone can say something to change your mind
» unfortunately. You are right, there are no new proven therapies that work
» in humans, only on mice. We have to wait for Follica, Aderans and
» Intercytex (the ones that are probably closest to bringing a new treatment
» to market). And how long will that take? Well, nobody really knows. Might
» take 2-3 years only for Follica as some imagine, but we really don’t know.
» Might take more than 5 years too.
»
» I think this kind of situtation has been observed before in history, as
» you said in 2000, 2005 and other years. I really don’t think 2008 is much
» different. Only different thing is that there are NEW approaches available,
» but whether they work or not, or whether they will be here in 5 years or
» more, noone here can tell you. Only thing we can do is painfully wait,
» unfortunately…Unless you take actions and start asking the researchers
» for more info, but I don’t think they are willing to tell anything right
» now.

is it painful for you to wait for a hairloss-cure?

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» I haven’t been on this board since 2003, and we are STILL no closer to a HM
» solution. Back in 2000, it was 5 years away, then it was still 5 years in
» 2003. In 2005 I popped in just to peak, and we were still bombarded with 5
» more years to a solution. It’s now almost 4 years. Where the hell is the
» progress?
»
» Anyone here remember when Cohen Gho was the hot topic? Is he even still
» around? Does he do his FUE treatment still? Is it as effective as he
» says? Does it work exactly like he says, where the harvest folicals grow
» back? Because, if so, that seems the only viable method of recapturing
» hairlines in my estimation. Particularly if you have a difused loss to
» boot, like me.
»
» I’ve given up on this whole HM crap. It doesn’t seem to be going
» anywhere. Despite all the supposed “breakthroughs”, we’re still no closer.
» I’m done. Unless there’s something being released soon, and I mean
» imminantly, I’m not putting another moment’s thought to HM.
»
» Anyone have any REAL information (not theories or hopes, but real facts)
» to change my mind?

No doubt…it’s pretty frustrating. I feel the same way. There are a few potential hopes on the horizon, but I hate to get my hopes up to be disappointed again.

There is a company called Acell which has released an ExtraCellular Matrix (ECM) that POSSIBLY has the potential to regenerate removed donor tissue and hair in a HT. Several doctors (Dr. Umar, Dr. Jones, Dr. Hitzgee (sp?)) have already tried this product and we are waiting for results. I sent an e-mail to a list of doctors (also listed) about the product trying to spark an interest in them to at least test the product and a few of them are doing so. Here is the copy of the e-mail that I sent to them and the list of doctors that it was sent to:

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry-id-35124-page-0-category-1-order-time.html

Follica is the name of another company who is working on a treatment / cure for baldness. Dr. George Costeralis (University of Pennsylvania) is part of the project backed by Puretech Ventures (Daphne Zohar). This has already been discussed on the today show. Here is a link to the follica website:

Several of the forum members have experimented with “home testing” using follica’s method. From what I understand, they have read through the patent and are trying different methods to see which (if any) regenerates hair. Baccy, has had some success with this and has posted pics of his results. If you search through some old posts, I’m sure you’ll find the pics. There are also others making attemtps at this.

Dr. Greco is attempting to improve HT’s using Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP).

Intercytex and Andrans are both still working on HM…but we get very few updates and it seems to be taking MUCH LONGER than was expected.

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I feel bad :frowning: I want my f.cking hair back :frowning:

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» There is a company called Acell which has released an ExtraCellular Matrix
» (ECM) that POSSIBLY has the potential to regenerate removed donor tissue
» and hair in a HT. Several doctors (Dr. Umar, Dr. Jones, Dr. Hitzgee (sp?))
» have already tried this product and we are waiting for results. I sent an
» e-mail to a list of doctors (also listed) about the product trying to spark
» an interest in them to at least test the product and a few of them are
» doing so. Here is the copy of the e-mail that I sent to them and the list
» of doctors that it was sent to:

please. give it up, man. give us a break and take your acell bs home.

you came up with this false alarm about a random company acell that has nothing to do with hairloss research. everything you have ever said about acell is based on your MISTAKEN second-hand impressions of some photographs of wounded dogs’ legs healing.

acell is a company that produced a product that was being targeted for veterinarians to use in ANIMALS. they never planned it to be anything for human hairloss. if they had any indication that it would grow new hair from nothing or just from skin, they would have been the first people out of the gate a long, long time ago, touting it as a hairloss cure for humans with mpb.

it was only YOU who randomly saw some pictures of dogs’ legs healing on their website, and just ASSUMED that their product was causing extra hair to grow out of nothing or just out of skin on the dogs, because that is what it looked like, TO YOU.

actually if you look at those pictures, what it really looks like (if you have some common sense), is that the two edges of the wounds are simply coming together gradually, with the SAME EXACT HAIR THAT WAS THERE BEFORE, closing up the wound.

that means NO EXTRA HAIR IS GROWING. NO NEW HAIR IS GROWING, got that???!!

it’s just because YOU looked at those pictures and got some mistaken, subjective impression from them, that YOU got overly excited and decided to make like 10,000 posts on hairsite about it, saying that it was (or could possibly be) some kind of wonderful, miracle cure, and that if only all the ht docs would catch on, we’d all be saved and go home with brand new hair.

so then you wrote a bunch of emails to a bunch of ht docs, and gave them your subjective impressions and excited, one-sided spin.

and of course, some of them answered that yah, they would like to test it out…

OF COURSE that’s what they answered. these idiot ht doctors never have spent one penny on research and development to come up with new hair regeneration methods, other than more ways of doing ht, because they are too busy collecting their hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars/pounds/dinars/euros in profits, and don’t want to spend anything on true hairloss research (except for mavericks like gho, and where did that get him?? not very far. but that’s another story…)

anyway, what you proposed to these ht docs is like a godsend for them, or so they thought. here comes this guy out of nowhere telling them that some cats with a product developed for veterinarians, just MIGHT grow the hair back on donor areas, or grow new hair.

OF COURSE they would jump for that opportunity, knowing nothing else, because ht surgeons are very greedy and they saw it as a no-lose proposition. you presented them with a proposition where they wouldn’t have to spend like, an extra cent on anything (i guess acell provided the stuff free – to promote their products and get free publicity – also a no-lose deal for acell)…

if you had proposed to these ht docs that they start new research programs and spend some real money on new technologies or ideas, they would have said to you, go take a hike, go eat shyte… but you proposed to them something that was all upside and no downside… no investment of any kind of money… just do a little experiment with someone else’s ready-made product and WHAM! if it works, they are rich because more ppl would go to them for hair transplants… if it doesn’t work, it’s no skin off their backs, no loss because they basically shelled out NO MONEY.

and all that because of some OPTICAL ILLUSION that some guy named willy THINKS HE SAW on some RANDOM WEBSITE…

oh my god, please come down here and help us and save us from these retarded amateur scientists and their elaborate false alarms that get people excited for like 10 months and then go nowhere fast…

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You truly are an idiot.

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» You truly are an idiot.

stop fighting willbert’s battles for him. if he wants to answer me, he shouldn’t hide behind your skirt.

he should come here himself and defend his idiot ideas, or just leave this site.

and he shouldn’t go and start talking about “maybe it will work”, and “if it works, i’m sure you’ll use it” and all that other bs.

yah, maybe smearing dog’s crap on my head will grow new hair… and maybe it won’t.

the point isn’t IF it works, but why would some random product seen by some random guy with no scientific background, on some random website, targeted for a completely different reason (not growing hair), work any better than any other random chemical would? just because this guy happened to contact a lot of ht doctors and some of them agreed to his idea to test it, because they saw it as a no-risk, no-lose proposition that cost no money to test (they’re using patients they already have on ht procedures they were already gonna do), and would cost them nothing even if it didn’t work, but would give them free public relations exposure in any case?

for that reason? that’s not a very good reason to have any confidence in this acell crap. that is a totally RANDOM reason, like something plucked out of thin air.

ht docs are MARKETERS. they are BUSINESS MEN and know an upside, no-risk, no investment up-front deal when they see one, so it shouldn’t surprise anyone that a few went for willbert’s idea.

just because a few went for the idea (WHERE ARE THE RESULTS FROM THE TESTING??? we probably will never see results, and may never hear from these guys again about acell…)… just b/c a few ht docs decided to test it, doesn’t give this crap any more legitimacy as a hair regeneration idea than any other snakeoil being touted by anyone.

i’m not saying there is no hairloss cure or good solution out there that may come down the pike any year now (follica has a bit of promise), but for sure, this random acell stuff has nothing to do with a hairloss cure and is just some random dude gettin all excited about nothing, and misleading a lot of people… and then posting on and on and stringing out the false hope for months, with all kinds of bs propaganda and half-truths… it’s the same old shyte, different day. a bunch of ppl and idiotic followers talking random crap about some bullshyte false alarm, distracting us from any real legitimate science that may come out.

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» You truly are an idiot.

+1

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» » There is a company called Acell which has released an ExtraCellular
» Matrix
» » (ECM) that POSSIBLY has the potential to regenerate removed donor
» tissue
» » and hair in a HT. Several doctors (Dr. Umar, Dr. Jones, Dr. Hitzgee
» (sp?))
» » have already tried this product and we are waiting for results. I sent
» an
» » e-mail to a list of doctors (also listed) about the product trying to
» spark
» » an interest in them to at least test the product and a few of them are
» » doing so. Here is the copy of the e-mail that I sent to them and the
» list
» » of doctors that it was sent to:
»
» please. give it up, man. give us a break and take your acell bs home.
»
» you came up with this false alarm about a random company acell that has
» nothing to do with hairloss research. everything you have ever said about
» acell is based on your MISTAKEN second-hand impressions of some photographs
» of wounded dogs’ legs healing.
»
» acell is a company that produced a product that was being targeted for
» veterinarians to use in ANIMALS. they never planned it to be anything for
» human hairloss. if they had any indication that it would grow new hair
» from nothing or just from skin, they would have been the first people out
» of the gate a long, long time ago, touting it as a hairloss cure for humans
» with mpb.
»
» it was only YOU who randomly saw some pictures of dogs’ legs healing on
» their website, and just ASSUMED that their product was causing extra hair
» to grow out of nothing or just out of skin on the dogs, because that is
» what it looked like, TO YOU.
»
» actually if you look at those pictures, what it really looks like (if you
» have some common sense), is that the two edges of the wounds are simply
» coming together gradually, with the SAME EXACT HAIR THAT WAS THERE BEFORE,
» closing up the wound.
»
» that means NO EXTRA HAIR IS GROWING. NO NEW HAIR IS GROWING, got
» that???!!
»
» it’s just because YOU looked at those pictures and got some mistaken,
» subjective impression from them, that YOU got overly excited and decided to
» make like 10,000 posts on hairsite about it, saying that it was (or could
» possibly be) some kind of wonderful, miracle cure, and that if only all the
» ht docs would catch on, we’d all be saved and go home with brand new hair.
»
» so then you wrote a bunch of emails to a bunch of ht docs, and gave them
» your subjective impressions and excited, one-sided spin.
»
» and of course, some of them answered that yah, they would like to test it
» out…
»
» OF COURSE that’s what they answered. these idiot ht doctors never have
» spent one penny on research and development to come up with new hair
» regeneration methods, other than more ways of doing ht, because they are
» too busy collecting their hundreds of thousands and millions of
» dollars/pounds/dinars/euros in profits, and don’t want to spend anything on
» true hairloss research (except for mavericks like gho, and where did that
» get him?? not very far. but that’s another story…)
»
» anyway, what you proposed to these ht docs is like a godsend for them, or
» so they thought. here comes this guy out of nowhere telling them that
» some cats with a product developed for veterinarians, just MIGHT grow the
» hair back on donor areas, or grow new hair.
»
» OF COURSE they would jump for that opportunity, knowing nothing else,
» because ht surgeons are very greedy and they saw it as a no-lose
» proposition. you presented them with a proposition where they wouldn’t
» have to spend like, an extra cent on anything (i guess acell provided the
» stuff free – to promote their products and get free publicity – also a
» no-lose deal for acell)…
»
» if you had proposed to these ht docs that they start new research programs
» and spend some real money on new technologies or ideas, they would have
» said to you, go take a hike, go eat shyte… but you proposed to them
» something that was all upside and no downside… no investment of any kind
» of money… just do a little experiment with someone else’s ready-made
» product and WHAM! if it works, they are rich because more ppl would go to
» them for hair transplants… if it doesn’t work, it’s no skin off their
» backs, no loss because they basically shelled out NO MONEY.
»
» and all that because of some OPTICAL ILLUSION that some guy named willy
» THINKS HE SAW on some RANDOM WEBSITE…
»
» oh my god, please come down here and help us and save us from these
» retarded amateur scientists and their elaborate false alarms that get
» people excited for like 10 months and then go nowhere fast…

Started reading your post but it was very long and very boring so I stopped. Also I remembered you’re an idiot. Your signatures are so immature it’s funny.

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your post proves my point… you are so mentally deficient that you struggled to read what i wrote… you don’t want to read the truth.

VICTORY FOR BALDBABY!!! BALDBABY HUMILIATES THE EVIL MORONS!!!

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Willy had all do what he can!To get hair for himself and us!
I think,it is not good talk so bad about willy!
Thanks willy!

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» your post proves my point… you are so mentally deficient that you
» struggled to read what i wrote… you don’t want to read the truth.
»
» VICTORY FOR BALDBABY!!! BALDBABY HUMILIATES THE EVIL MORONS!!!

the computer game with you as main character will be even more funny than i thought. you re so ****ed and crazy, i cant find words for it.

i even didnt read your long post…you know its idiotic anyway, so why read?

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» » your post proves my point… you are so mentally deficient that you
» » struggled to read what i wrote… you don’t want to read the truth.
» »
» » VICTORY FOR BALDBABY!!! BALDBABY HUMILIATES THE EVIL MORONS!!!
»
» the computer game with you as main character will be even more funny than
» i thought. you re so ****ed and crazy, i cant find words for it.
»
» i even didnt read your long post…you know its idiotic anyway, so why
» read?

yah, and i have the perfect title for the computer game starring helpme007… it’s called “the gaymosensual hairloss game, part 3: more whining and rhetorical questions from an idiot”.

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» » » your post proves my point… you are so mentally deficient that you
» » » struggled to read what i wrote… you don’t want to read the truth.
» » »
» » » VICTORY FOR BALDBABY!!! BALDBABY HUMILIATES THE EVIL MORONS!!!
» »
» » the computer game with you as main character will be even more funny
» than
» » i thought. you re so ****ed and crazy, i cant find words for it.
» »
» » i even didnt read your long post…you know its idiotic anyway, so why
» » read?
»
» yah, and i have the perfect title for the computer game starring
» helpme007… it’s called “the gaymosensual hairloss game, part 3: more
» whining and rhetorical questions from an idiot”.

you just can copy me and call me gay. you re brilliant!

“Victory for baldbaby!!! …” lol

if i would make a list of people brain****ed on this site, you would be on it. how you want to win on hairsite-forum anyway? this is a discussion board, not a fight for the WBO boxing title. well…you can have your victory. i give you the 1st price for beating willy. are you happy now?

i guess yes. im too much of a nice and likeable person, so i will try to tell you something. something which could help you. stop this “victory for baldbaby” or things like this. you only make an idiot out of yourself. just stop this and these fights and you will be happier. i promise you. you will be accepted and respected in here more. then i dont have to post that i make a computer game out of you. and please, dont copy me or call me homosexual. thats the lamest response ever.

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i said this long ago

growing hair on a horse, or fur on a dog or rat, means nothing…hair is like skin for them…its not like hair for us

show me places on a dogs body with no hair? their total body is covered with it, same with horses and most animals

thus hair is like skin

its not the same as hair in humans,

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» i said this long ago
»
» growing hair on a horse, or fur on a dog or rat, means nothing…hair
» is like skin for them…its not like hair for us
»
» show me places on a dogs body with no hair? their total body is covered
» with it, same with horses and most animals
»
» thus hair is like skin
»
» its not the same as hair in humans,

hangin’ is right… dog’s have a totally different cell biology from humans. growing hair in a mouse or a dog is not the same as growing hair on a human with genetic baldness caused by testosterone derivatives and genes… animals lose their hair due to trauma. the only other mammals (other than human) known to have male pattern baldness are the great apes, like chimps and gorillas. and they are related closely to us.

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» i said this long ago
»
» growing hair on a horse, or fur on a dog or rat, means nothing…hair
» is like skin for them…its not like hair for us
»
» show me places on a dogs body with no hair? their total body is covered
» with it, same with horses and most animals
»
» thus hair is like skin
»
» its not the same as hair in humans,

u really make me angry. willy at least tried to change something. maybe it doesnt work and never will, but he tried.

can you say for 100,00 % that it doesnt work? if there is just a chance of 0,1 % , i think willy did a good thing for us.

you just make your stupid posts about optimism and pessimism. you re really the greatest. and then you have the nerv to critique willy and call him an idiot?

if its only 0,1 % that acell works, then go f*** yourself. if you can prove me that there isnt a 0,1 % chance of acell working, then fine, then call willy an idiot. but if there is a 0,1 % chance then f*** yourself. coz of people like you, willy or someone else probably wont try something like this again.

you just make fun of people with your great posts and your f***ing natural regimen and balding on the back of your head. damn, he tries something which could help you have a better life and you react like this?

it really pisses me off. oh well, you even say that about the guys from intercytex. ya , they are idiots, too, coz they try to change something. everyone is an idiot, except you. you know that there is no hairloss cure at the moment. that is the only thing you know and which you post in here.

yes, there is only a little chance that there will be something out in the next 5 years, but maybe acell is one of them. i dont say it has good chances , but at least a very small one. better say sorry.

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really make me angry. willy at least tried to change something. maybe it
» doesnt work and never will, but he tried.
»
» can you say for 100,00 % that it doesnt work? if there is just a chance of
» 0,1 % , i think willy did a good thing for us.
»
» you just make your stupid posts about optimism and pessimism. you re
» really the greatest. and then you have the nerv to critique willy and call
» him an idiot?
»
» if its only 0,1 % that acell works, then go f*** yourself. if you can
» prove me that there isnt a 0,1 % chance of acell working, then fine, then
» call willy an idiot. but if there is a 0,1 % chance then f*** yourself. coz
» of people like you, willy or someone else probably wont try something like
» this again.
»
» you just make fun of people with your great posts and your f***ing natural
» regimen and balding on the back of your head. damn, he tries something
» which could help you have a better life and you react like this?
»
» it really pisses me off. oh well, you even say that about the guys from
» intercytex. ya , they are idiots, too, coz they try to change something.
» everyone is an idiot, except you. you know that there is no hairloss cure
» at the moment. that is the only thing you know and which you post in here.
»
» yes, there is only a little chance that there will be something out in the
» next 5 years, but maybe acell is one of them. i dont say it has good
» chances , but at least a very small one. better say sorry.

i think that the marylin masnon will come to latinamerica and will
become the biggest latinamerican teenage rock music star becuase all
the latinamerican teen rock music fans think he is extremley sexy and
loves the way he shake his sexy butt on the tv. marylin masnon will
become the graetest latinamerican teen sex rock music idol star becuase
he love the young hunk boys with thier tight sexy butts in thier
sensual blue jeans.

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As animals we are also covered in hair follicles all over, granted its not quite the same as animal fur but we covered all the same.:stuck_out_tongue:

Hanging, Baldbaby,

The majority of people are not expecting acell to magically regrow hair. They are expecting it to aid in scar healing with a HT, giving a less noticeable scar after a strip surgery if you like.
Have you read anything about Acell or ECM’s in general? The odds are looking to be in favour of it being able to achieve this.
An ECM like acell basically works by helping local tissue to repair instead of scar.
Acell has been used to succesfully remove strech marks after a chemical peel, regenerating fresh smooth skin on a person.
The fact that Acell was released for animal before hand is meaningless, ECM’s have been used on humans way befor Acell came along.

When we are saying it can help we are not saying “yay we are saved its going to give all our hair back”.
We are not even saying it is going to give us scarless HT’s.
We are saying there is a chance it can help us in a way, if it’s in a small way then that is a good thing, if it does by some miracle regrow hair then that is the ultimate bonus, but not expected.
Every little helps.

Willy contacting Acell and letting some HT Dr’s know about it is a productive thing to do.
It beats sitting at home on a computer posting meaningless, pointless post’s in a hairloss forum bitterly angry and disapointed that you haven’t been cured yet.
The Dr’s that are trying this obviously optimistic about it having a possitive effect or they would not be trying it.
If some one finds something that they and others feel will help, and is based on something scientific and not a herbal homeopathic snake-oil then I think they should be comended for trying to help and make a difference.

Shooting something down that you know nothing about is very ignorant.

Baldbaby in particular, I don’t even think you know what Acell is.