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How can we use the skin version of Histogen for scalp hair?


#1

The skin version of Histogen is not the exact same as the scalp version, but there are similarities. I think that the skin version may already be on the market. If it is then if we can find a way to make it work on the scalp below the skin then perhaps we can get at least some benefit from the skin version of Histogen RIGHT NOW.


#2

» The skin version of Histogen is not the exact same as the scalp version,
» but there are similarities. I think that the skin version may already be
» on the market. If it is then if we can find a way to make it work on the
» scalp below the skin then perhaps we can get at least some benefit from the
» skin version of Histogen RIGHT NOW.

Tried it for months. With a dermaroller. It doesn´t work. My guess is that its too low concetration of the substance, cause at least some of it had to penetrate down to the hair follicles. And it had no effect at all.


#3

if the concentration is too low doesn’t that mean that we would just have to apply more to the scalp?

The lady at Histogen sent me an email about the differences between the skin version and the scalp version and the email is below in italics. Since she is telling us the differences between the skin version and the scalp version perhaps we could think of a way to tweak the skin version to make it work at least partially on the scalp??? What do you think? Could we get the skin version and tweak it to make it better for the scalp???

From the same manufacturing process, Histogen produces an embryonic-like complex of soluble proteins which goes into the ReGenica line of skincare products (www.regenica.com). The concentration, formulation and delivery of ReGenica makes the products much different than Histogen’s Hair Stimulating Complex (HSC).


#4

» if the concentration is too low doesn’t that mean that we would just have
» to apply more to the scalp?
»
» The lady at Histogen sent me an email about the differences between the
» skin version and the scalp version and the email is below in italics.
» Since she is telling us the differences between the skin version and the
» scalp version perhaps we could think of a way to tweak the skin version to
» make it work at least partially on the scalp??? What do you think? Could
» we get the skin version and tweak it to make it better for the scalp???
»
» From the same manufacturing process, Histogen produces an
» embryonic-like complex of soluble proteins which goes into the ReGenica
» line of skincare products (www.regenica.com). The concentration,
» formulation and delivery of ReGenica makes the products much different than
» Histogen’s Hair Stimulating Complex (HSC).

She pretty muched said why it wont work for hair, which is my experience too. I tried to apply more of the compound as well, it just didn´t do anything for me Im afraid. I think we have to wait for the real product.


#5

»
» She pretty muched said why it wont work for hair, which is my experience
» too. I tried to apply more of the compound as well, it just didn´t do
» anything for me Im afraid. I think we have to wait for the real product.

If we could get the exact formulations of both products then we would be able to find out exactly what the differences are and then perhaps we could tweak the skin version and make it better for the purpose of growing hair.

I read where guys here got ahold of the exact formulations of numerous experimental drugs like RU and PS1, and when they got those exact formulations they were able to get the products made. Perhaps if we got the exact formulations of the skin version of Histogen and also the hair version of Histogen, then we could look over the data and find the differences and then we could tweak the skin version to basically turn it into the hair version.

It is worth a try. They usually state in the studies and the patents the exact methods and ingredients they use to make a medicine. Can we get the studies done so far and patents with the skin and hair versions of Histogen???


#6

It is not possible. The stuff contains of a lot of growth factors. Each of them would have to be synthezized in some way which is out of reach. It would cost you an arm and a leg. PS1 and RU is a different story, since it is a single compound and they are much smaller in size.
you wouldn’t even be able to transport all the growth factors through the skin, they are too big.

I am sorry to say, it is just not possible. Forget about it.

I think Histogen has a very promising treatment. I have always been into the wnt/beta-catenin pathway and I have no doubt that if correctly done, it is our best bet.

» »
» » She pretty muched said why it wont work for hair, which is my
» experience
» » too. I tried to apply more of the compound as well, it just didn´t do
» » anything for me Im afraid. I think we have to wait for the real
» product.
»
»
» If we could get the exact formulations of both products then we would be
» able to find out exactly what the differences are and then perhaps we could
» tweak the skin version and make it better for the purpose of growing hair.
»
»
» I read where guys here got ahold of the exact formulations of numerous
» experimental drugs like RU and PS1, and when they got those exact
» formulations they were able to get the products made. Perhaps if we got
» the exact formulations of the skin version of Histogen and also the hair
» version of Histogen, then we could look over the data and find the
» differences and then we could tweak the skin version to basically turn it
» into the hair version.
»
» It is worth a try. They usually state in the studies and the patents the
» exact methods and ingredients they use to make a medicine. Can we get the
» studies done so far and patents with the skin and hair versions of
» Histogen???


#7

» It is not possible. The stuff contains of a lot of growth factors. Each of
» them would have to be synthezized in some way which is out of reach. It
» would cost you an arm and a leg. PS1 and RU is a different story, since it
» is a single compound and they are much smaller in size.
» you wouldn’t even be able to transport all the growth factors through the
» skin, they are too big.
»
» I am sorry to say, it is just not possible. Forget about it.
»
» I think Histogen has a very promising treatment. I have always been into
» the wnt/beta-catenin pathway and I have no doubt that if correctly done, it
» is our best bet.
»
» » »
» » » She pretty muched said why it wont work for hair, which is my
» » experience
» » » too. I tried to apply more of the compound as well, it just didn´t do
» » » anything for me Im afraid. I think we have to wait for the real
» » product.
» »
» »
» » If we could get the exact formulations of both products then we would
» be
» » able to find out exactly what the differences are and then perhaps we
» could
» » tweak the skin version and make it better for the purpose of growing
» hair.
» »
» »
» » I read where guys here got ahold of the exact formulations of numerous
» » experimental drugs like RU and PS1, and when they got those exact
» » formulations they were able to get the products made. Perhaps if we
» got
» » the exact formulations of the skin version of Histogen and also the
» hair
» » version of Histogen, then we could look over the data and find the
» » differences and then we could tweak the skin version to basically turn
» it
» » into the hair version.
» »
» » It is worth a try. They usually state in the studies and the patents
» the
» » exact methods and ingredients they use to make a medicine. Can we get
» the
» » studies done so far and patents with the skin and hair versions of
» » Histogen???

Are there private companies out there that make growth factors for payment???


#8

I am not 100% sure that it’s impossible. We are just not thinking about this enough. I think that there are likely patents and studies out there that would tell us exactly what is inside both of these products (the skin version and the hair version) and i also bet there are companies out there that would make at least some of these growth factors for us if we paid them to do so. In other words, we can probably get the blueprint/recipe/ingredients for making both versions and then we would be able to figure out what is inside the hair version that is not in the skin version and then we could get a company to make those items (growth factors) that are not in the skin version, but are in the hair version. Then we could put those items into the skin version and we would end up with the hair version home-grown.

Are you 100% sure this is impossible??? I don’t know how to go about getting this done but I bet it is possible.

» It is not possible. The stuff contains of a lot of growth factors. Each of
» them would have to be synthezized in some way which is out of reach. It
» would cost you an arm and a leg. PS1 and RU is a different story, since it
» is a single compound and they are much smaller in size.
» you wouldn’t even be able to transport all the growth factors through the
» skin, they are too big.
»
» I am sorry to say, it is just not possible. Forget about it.
»
» I think Histogen has a very promising treatment. I have always been into
» the wnt/beta-catenin pathway and I have no doubt that if correctly done, it
» is our best bet.
»
» » »
» » » She pretty muched said why it wont work for hair, which is my
» » experience
» » » too. I tried to apply more of the compound as well, it just didn´t do
» » » anything for me Im afraid. I think we have to wait for the real
» » product.
» »
» »
» » If we could get the exact formulations of both products then we would
» be
» » able to find out exactly what the differences are and then perhaps we
» could
» » tweak the skin version and make it better for the purpose of growing
» hair.
» »
» »
» » I read where guys here got ahold of the exact formulations of numerous
» » experimental drugs like RU and PS1, and when they got those exact
» » formulations they were able to get the products made. Perhaps if we
» got
» » the exact formulations of the skin version of Histogen and also the
» hair
» » version of Histogen, then we could look over the data and find the
» » differences and then we could tweak the skin version to basically turn
» it
» » into the hair version.
» »
» » It is worth a try. They usually state in the studies and the patents
» the
» » exact methods and ingredients they use to make a medicine. Can we get
» the
» » studies done so far and patents with the skin and hair versions of
» » Histogen???


#9

You would be injecting it into the skin just like Histogen is doing. I wouldn’t bet on finding anything less drastic if they haven’t.

As for the growth factors, I really don’t know enough to say how feasible it would be to copy the whole deal.

My gut feeling is that it would not be easy. The novel growth factors seem to be the core of their science. If you could just throw some existing chemicals into a pot and get this stuff then Histogen would probably not be the only (or first) ones trying it.

I dunno. I originally read about Histogen’s deal a couple years ago. I can’t remember most of the details anymore.


#10

» You would be injecting it into the skin just like Histogen is doing. I
» wouldn’t bet on finding anything less drastic if they haven’t.
»
»
» As for the growth factors, I really don’t know enough to say how feasible
» it would be to copy the whole deal.
»
» My gut feeling is that it would not be easy. The novel growth factors
» seem to be the core of their science. If you could just throw some
» existing chemicals into a pot and get this stuff then Histogen would
» probably not be the only (or first) ones trying it.
»
»
» I dunno. I originally read about Histogen’s deal a couple years ago. I
» can’t remember most of the details anymore.

Firstly,

There was something new about their approach years ago, but this kind of science has really grown in the private sector so there is a chance that we could get the same items ourselves and add these items to the skin version to create a reasonable facsimile of the hair version.

Secondly, they do not have a patent on yet so if it is doable then we wouldn’t be breaking any patent laws because histogen does not have a patent yet.

The more I think about it the more it seems likely to me that if we could get the blueprint/menu how to make this stuff then we could probably create a version of it somehow someway. This science has advanced so much and there are so many starving labs today all over the world. We could probably get it done if we put our minds to it. It would probably grow us all a lot of hair.


#11

» » You would be injecting it into the skin just like Histogen is doing. I
» » wouldn’t bet on finding anything less drastic if they haven’t.
» »
» »
» » As for the growth factors, I really don’t know enough to say how
» feasible
» » it would be to copy the whole deal.
» »
» » My gut feeling is that it would not be easy. The novel growth factors
» » seem to be the core of their science. If you could just throw some
» » existing chemicals into a pot and get this stuff then Histogen would
» » probably not be the only (or first) ones trying it.
» »
» »
» » I dunno. I originally read about Histogen’s deal a couple years ago.
» I
» » can’t remember most of the details anymore.
»
»
» Firstly,
»
» There was something new about their approach years ago, but this kind of
» science has really grown in the private sector so there is a chance that we
» could get the same items ourselves and add these items to the skin version
» to create a reasonable facsimile of the hair version.
»
» Secondly, they do not have a patent on yet so if it is doable then we
» wouldn’t be breaking any patent laws because histogen does not have a
» patent yet.
»
» The more I think about it the more it seems likely to me that if we could
» get the blueprint/menu how to make this stuff then we could probably create
» a version of it somehow someway. This science has advanced so much and
» there are so many starving labs today all over the world. We could
» probably get it done if we put our minds to it. It would probably grow us
» all a lot of hair.

I dont think you have been doing your homework, the have at least 7 patents including for hair growth (http://v3.espacenet.com/searchResults?PA=histogen&DB=EPODOC&submitted=true&locale=en_EP&ST=advanced&compact=false)

And HSC "is a proprietary liquid formula created by the culturing of newborn cells in a simulated embryonic environment of suspension and very low oxygen, and then harvesting the naturally secreted growth factors, proteins and other synergistic bioproducts that are produced."
So it´s not as simple as producing a synthetic substance by a chemistry lab. I think you will have to put this idea to rest. Unfortunately.


#12

» I dont think you have been doing your homework, the have at least 7
» patents including for hair growth
» (http://v3.espacenet.com/searchResults?PA=histogen&DB=EPODOC&submitted=true&locale=en_EP&ST=advanced&compact=false)
»
» And HSC “is a proprietary liquid formula created by the culturing of
» newborn cells in a simulated embryonic environment of suspension and very
» low oxygen, and then harvesting the naturally secreted growth factors,
» proteins and other synergistic bioproducts that are produced.”
» So it´s not as simple as producing a synthetic substance by a chemistry
» lab. I think you will have to put this idea to rest. Unfortunately.

regardless, patents to not apply for personal use… just for commercial use… I can draw a nike sign on my t-shirt if i feel like it or make a car out of wood formed like a porsche… its all fine as long as i dont plan on selling it.


#13

»
» regardless, patents to not apply for personal use… just for commercial
» use… I can draw a nike sign on my t-shirt if i feel like it or make a car
» out of wood formed like a porsche… its all fine as long as i dont plan on
» selling it.

You’re right so that means we don’t really have to worry about patent issues. We could get it made in some country where the technology is advanced and the patent laws are weak, such as INDIA and Russia has lax enforcement of patent laws. That way we would be getting it made for our personal use and not for sale and the company that makes it would not be taking risks because their patent laws over there are basically nonexistant or unenforced.

So the main thing we would need are the following:

  1. The instructions.

  2. A foreign company that could, and would, make it.


#14

“Histogen” is not a product, it’s a company. Whatever product they have for skin its purpose is not to grow hair. The “scalp version” is likely to be much different. I don’t think this is like ACell, a generic product that can healskin skin or grow hair or both.

» The skin version of Histogen is not the exact same as the scalp version,
» but there are similarities. I think that the skin version may already be
» on the market. If it is then if we can find a way to make it work on the
» scalp below the skin then perhaps we can get at least some benefit from the
» skin version of Histogen RIGHT NOW.


#15

I understand that Histogen referes to a company, rather than a product. Since Histogen’s product may not even have a name yet, and even if it does have a name I don’t know that name of the product, it seems logical to call the company’s product Histogen at this time. So yea, I’m talking about the product when I use the term “Histogen.”

It does seem to me that we could get ahold of the exact blueprint how to make this “stuff” I’m calling histogen and we could get ahold of both the hair version and the skin version and we could use that information to our advantage to “possibly” put together a reasonable facsimile of the actual product.

This technology is getting more and more widespread and the same as there are chemists out there that are making RU I do believe that there is a chance that we could find the right kind of lab that would be willing to put together this histogen stuff for us. I’m not sure of this but I do think that it might be possible given that more and more this type of science is becoming available coupled with the fact that there are a lot of starving labs out there in Russia and China and India.

I think that if we took a serious look at this issue and gathered the blueprint/menu for making both the skin and hair versions of Histogen then if we started trying to find a lab that would work with us to achieve the desired objective then we might actually be able to pul it off. You don’t know what you can do till you try.

» “Histogen” is not a product, it’s a company. Whatever product they have for
» skin its purpose is not to grow hair. The “scalp version” is likely to be
» much different. I don’t think this is like ACell, a generic product that
» can healskin skin or grow hair or both.
»
»
»
» » The skin version of Histogen is not the exact same as the scalp
» version,
» » but there are similarities. I think that the skin version may already
» be
» » on the market. If it is then if we can find a way to make it work on
» the
» » scalp below the skin then perhaps we can get at least some benefit from
» the
» » skin version of Histogen RIGHT NOW.