Seriously, are people just jumping to the wrong conclusion with this latest press release, i know it sounds bad but cant it still work out okay?
» Seriously, are people just jumping to the wrong conclusion with this latest
» press release, i know it sounds bad but cant it still work out okay?
fuk them anyways. publishing this on friday (3 days away from their results) is evil .
NO IT WONT WORK OUT GET OVER IT
IF they would have soething, they would stick with their whole praising stuff but they dont
maybe we should wait until results are released i think but maybe they legally had to issue that and didnt even want to.
P.s moawk is it possible to remove those pics from your signature its really annoying they take up too much space when your reading a thread.
» maybe we should wait until results are released …
What you will see or hear will just be “Intercytex trail results” - without any doubt.
And now the REAL good question:
What exactly have been the “Intercytex trail results”?
Formally, Intercytex never ever published any results in a scientific journal - and not doing this has been the biggest scientific failure at all. Because even they produced just a failure result, even such published results in medical journals are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for the scientific community in general. Many of the TOP EXPERTS out there in this field (Jahoda, Fuchs, Cotsarelis etc etc etc) publish -of course- even the failures of any studies/experiments for other scientists in this field - for example:
They clearly reported a failure a medical journal!
http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dermatologic_letter_to_the_editor.pdf
Hairs didn’t grow in this study.
Furthermore, such bigger “(hair-)cell-based” trail results with at least ~20 involved human trail subjects or so, do -unfortunately- not exist in the medical literature so far, besides the only one by Histogen so far (they didn’t use human hair cells!); but these results are still just extremely questionable and above all - controversial.
So we have nothing. Not even the ARI guys reported in a medical journal their phase 1 as well as phase 2 trail results so far - I guess because there was NOTHING exciting to report (or nothing exciting for ARI investors). BUT all the latter indicates, that so far such “cell-based” AGA hair loss solutions are always FAILURES (at least not exciting enough) so far - and there is a BIG reason behind that: It’s clearly still not so easy …
» » maybe we should wait until results are released …
»
» What you will see or hear will just be “Intercytex trail results” -
» without any doubt.
»
» And now the REAL good question:
» What exactly have been the “Intercytex trail results”?
»
» Formally, Intercytex never ever published any results in a scientific
» journal - and not doing this has been the biggest scientific failure at
» all. Because even they produced just a failure result, even such published
» results in medical journals are EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for the
» scientific community in general. Many of the TOP EXPERTS out there in this
» field (Jahoda, Fuchs, Cotsarelis etc etc etc) publish -of course- even the
» failures of any studies/experiments for other scientists in this field -
» for example:
»
» Hair transplantation of plucked hair biopsies - PubMed
»
» They clearly reported a failure a medical journal!
» http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dermatologic_letter_to_the_editor.pdf
» Hairs didn’t grow in this study.
»
» Furthermore, such bigger “(hair-)cell-based” trail results with at
» least ~20 involved human trail subjects or so, do -unfortunately- not exist
» in the medical literature so far, besides the only one by Histogen so far;
» but these results are still just extremely questionable and above all -
» controversial.
»
» So we have nothing. Not even the ARI guys reported in a medical journal
» their phase 1 as well as phase 2 trail results so far - I guess because
» there was NOTHING exciting to report (or nothing exciting for ARI
» investors). BUT all the latter indicates, that so far such “cell-based”
» AGA hair loss solutions are always FAILURES (at least not exciting
» enough) so far - and there is a BIG reason behind that: It’s clearly still
» not so easy …
Like you know anything. You don’t know any more than any of the other people on here. This was a statement to distance themselves from obvious media hype knowing that even if they do have a breakthrough there are still risks as in anything else. That’s all that was and has nothing to do with any results. And they won’t be Intercytex’s results. They will be their own based on their own studies.
It seems the left hand of the company didn’t know what the right hand was doing, and probably didn’t care. The fact that they gave these shills, NBT, free reign to hype their product so dishonestly, to me indicates a fundamental disregard for both investors and for consumers, and that inspires no confidence about the eventual success of their technology.
Any time dishonest tactics and hype are used, you usually find that the underlying product is a house of cards.
It might be different in this case but I wouldn’t bet on it…
» And they won’t be Intercytex’s results. They will be their own
» based on their own studies.
Sure, their own studies - but they basically do the same and use the same sh’t - just replicated human hair cells.
Yes this could just be something they had to do advised by lawyers. Just to cover their behinds. Bring on mondays results.
» » And they won’t be Intercytex’s results. They will be their own
» » based on their own studies.
»
» Sure, their own studies - but they basically do the same and use the same
» sh’t - just replicated human hair cells.
Iron is right. Replicel == ARI == Intercytex. They all do the same approach.
conclusion :
Intercytex == FAILURE. You don’t need a degree in hair multiplication to understand that REPLICEL == ARI == FAILURE.
I’m still licking Iron’s balls 
hehe this is the positive thread, the other thread ‘replicel has failed’ is for the pessimists.
I’ve been concerned about the reckless claims of the press releases all week–they appeared irresponsible to say the least–def not the kind of thing you’d read in the WSJ. OTOH, Replicel’s, report indicates they lost money over the past few years, and they would obviously need to raise some for Phase II if they had a worthwhile product worth pursuing.
This may be why they took out the facebook page, got the twitter, etc. They probably needed to raise awareness of who they were to attract investors. There are countless pros and cons as to how and whether they should have done this before vs. after releasing phase I results, but I think the retraction statement had to be issued, in light of the hype. When i read the “billion dollar cure” headline, i thought, surely, you are overstepping the line here unless you already know it gives all NW7s a permanent, full head of cosmetically acceptable hair. . This is the kind of b.s. you expect from a tabloid headline.
Even if they haven’t done it yet, it doesn’t mean Replicel wont eventually get it right, but it is irresponsible to make these claims before going through the formal approval procedures, and it puts immense pressure on Replicel from everyone: investors, peers, bald people, rival hairloss research companies, etc.
I think jumping to the conclusion that the stock is going to go belly up monday morning based on this release is premature. They had investors before hand and the people in the know aren’t going to jump ship if they don’t see a full head of hair on test subjects–that was never the goal of the phase I. Remember, ICX got through Phase I, but disappeared for Phase II. Replicel will get through Phase I. What they do after is the “billion” dollar question.
On another note, do you think they would have issued that disclaimer last night if phase I was a grand slam?
Well Said ESP2…
» On another note, do you think they would have issued that disclaimer last
» night if phase I was a grand slam?
Maybe, like you said, even if phase 1 is a grand slam ANYTHING can happen further down the track. I think it was required.
» » Seriously, are people just jumping to the wrong conclusion with this
» latest
» » press release, i know it sounds bad but cant it still work out okay?
»
» fuk them anyways. publishing this on friday (3 days away from their
» results) is evil .
Yup, no doubt. If they would have released that press release on Monday the 23rd, after the pump pieces had only been running for a few days, the price hadn’t run up that much, and they got cold feet about the content of those pieces I could believe that. But releasing after hours Friday when everybody is stuck and the price sufficiently pumped and hundreds of thousands of shares traded, that is planned and that is malicious.
If Monday turns out to be what we all expect, or even worse, I really think we should contact lawyers.
Hagens Berman, I’ve “worked with them” (was part of a class) before in a class action against another sc*m company. Probably would get next to nothing from Replicel, but at least we would bring David Hall, Tobin Smith, and whoever their marketing person is, down into the mud with us. I want reputations ruined over this.
The plan all makes sense now, these companies NEVER care about retail shareholders. What this allowed them to do is pump up the price and create a cushion for them. The technology is likely to fail or provide underwhelming results. But the patent might still be worth something. So assign the patent to the company, take the company public, do a ruse of a trial with a nice front man to attract retail money to pump up the price, and then sell the company (patent) to big pharma or ARI/Follica/Histogen/whoever. This way, the founders (the only people the company cares about, not us retail shareholder schlubs), who got their shares for nothing, interests are maximized. Lets say the share price was still at $1.70, like it was before the pumping started. When the trial fails, the share price might drop to $0.30. But if they pump the stock price up to $2.70, maybe the share price only drops to $0.70 or something when the trial fails. The retail shlubs who bought in at $2.00/share are screwed, but who cares about them? The founders (Hoffmann, McElwee, Shapiro, Lui, Hall) get to cash out at a much higher price (maybe $.70 instead of $.30).
» hehe this is the positive thread, the other thread ‘replicel has failed’ is
» for the pessimists.
Replicel is saying “Bye Bye! Nice to have known ya and to have taken your money… Tata! Ciao! We’ll meet again some day, somewhere in that great fantastic place in the sky where everyone has hair like Brad Pitt and Stone Phillips and David Bowie. Until we meet again! So long! Arrivederci! Bonsoir! Dasvidanya! God bless! Night-night! Bye for now!!! Peace and we’re out!”
» Seriously, are people just jumping to the wrong conclusion with this latest
» press release, i know it sounds bad but cant it still work out okay?
I think they are trying to reduce expectations rather than squash expectations. I think they are also protecting themselves from shareholder litigation in case something goes wrong such as if they can’t protect their technology from pirating. I think they likely will have good results although maybe not great results.
» » Seriously, are people just jumping to the wrong conclusion with this
» latest
» » press release, i know it sounds bad but cant it still work out okay?
»
»
» I think they are trying to reduce expectations rather than squash
» expectations. I think they are also protecting themselves from shareholder
» litigation in case something goes wrong such as if they can’t protect their
» technology from pirating. I think they likely will have good results
» although maybe not great results.
You’re right, jarjar.
» maybe we should wait until results are released i think but maybe they
» legally had to issue that and didnt even want to.
» P.s moawk is it possible to remove those pics from your signature its
» really annoying they take up too much space when your reading a thread.
I am sorry for spreading awareness and trying to CURE YOUR BALD HEAD , it seems you guys are retarded enough to not be able to see that a treatment is ALREADY here and rather hang on to something that has obviously failed to produce what they themselves expected.
You rather believe AGAINST all the evidence that replicel is still alive and ignore Gho.
Put 1 + 1 , please.
They should have released this a week ago and not the last day of trading.
YES THEY ARE TRYING TO REDUCE EXPECTATIONS BUT THE LAST DAY OF TRADING IN APRIL?
Ironman was right, he will finally get the respect he deserves, all young and old cats were too dumb not to see it and apparently we still not see it !!!
The only thing that could save them is prolong the efficacy results, will they be kind enough to do that? I believe not.
» » maybe we should wait until results are released i think but maybe they
» » legally had to issue that and didnt even want to.
» » P.s moawk is it possible to remove those pics from your signature its
» » really annoying they take up too much space when your reading a thread.
»
» I am sorry for spreading awareness and trying to CURE YOUR BALD
» HEAD , it seems you guys are retarded enough to not be able to see
» that a treatment is ALREADY here and rather hang on to something
» that has obviously failed to produce what they themselves expected.
»
» You rather believe AGAINST all the evidence that replicel is still
» alive and ignore Gho.
»
» Put 1 + 1 , please.
»
» They should have released this a week ago and not the last day of trading.
»
»
» YES THEY ARE TRYING TO REDUCE EXPECTATIONS BUT THE LAST
» DAY OF TRADING IN APRIL?
»
»
»
» Ironman was right, he will finally get the respect he deserves, all young
» and old cats were too dumb not to see it and apparently we still not see it
» !!!
»
» The only thing that could save them is prolong the efficacy results, will
» they be kind enough to do that? I believe not.
I think there will be good results from this treatment. The problem is that their legal team had to do something to tamp down the expectations because:
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The way it was being touted suggested a guaranteed huge increase in the stock price.
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This is just a phase 1 study and if the results are great that does not guarantee that the results for the next phase will also be great so they may have great results for this phase 1 study and yet their next studies may not have the same great results so they had to tamp down the expectations for legal reasons.
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Even if they have great results they still face obstacles since they will still have to be able to protect their technology and that could be difficult given that all of the things that they are doing are almost available in the general marketplace and also other clinicians were working on similar technologies in the past so those other clinicians could reach out from the past and take a huge financial bite out of replicel.
I think the above 3 reasons are why they issued the statement they issued and I do think that they will have good-to-great results reported shortly.
» I think there will be good results from this treatment.
Excuse me, but is there something out there where you could NOT see good results from this treatment?
You’re one of these guys who can even see good results when any other guys apply butter onto their bald heads.