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#1

Just wondered if anyone had done any home expertiments with own Dermal Papilla cells?

http://www.promocell.de/en/Navigate/product0.php3?target1=59&lang=US

Would there be any inherent dangers in having your own Dermal Papilla cells injected? I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago that there is a small success rate when just Dermal Papilla cells are injected into a scalp.


#2

» Just wondered if anyone had done any home expertiments with own Dermal
» Papilla cells?
»
» http://www.promocell.de/en/Navigate/product0.php3?target1=59&lang=US
»
» Would there be any inherent dangers in having your own Dermal Papilla
» cells injected? I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago that
» there is a small success rate when just Dermal Papilla cells are injected
» into a scalp.

Wow cell science goes mainstream? :slight_smile:


#3

» Just wondered if anyone had done any home expertiments with own Dermal
» Papilla cells?
»
» http://www.promocell.de/en/Navigate/product0.php3?target1=59&lang=US
»
» Would there be any inherent dangers in having your own Dermal Papilla
» cells injected? I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago that
» there is a small success rate when just Dermal Papilla cells are injected
» into a scalp.

Jahoda injected straight uncultured DP cells into his wife’s arm, and it did not result in growing ANY hair. The lesson is, in humans, DP cells will not work in a vacuum–they must be co-injected with other follicular cell types and various growth factors. IOW, to experiment without considerable money and knowledge is a complete waste of time and money. IMO, it is best to let ICX, Aderans et al continue to do the work for you. When they perfect the technique, you will be able to buy it for considerably less than you would spend if you were to seriously attempt to invent it yourself. The good news is that you will get if faster too!


#4

JB,

Just for the sake of thought…what do you think might happen if someone used a pin to “injure” the scalp like Costarialis has in recent experiments and injected some DP cells isolated from the papillas of donor follicles in the wound?

Think any neogenic actions going on in healing there might incorporate the DP cells of the donor area follicle?

I know, Im nosy;-)


#5

» JB,
»
» Just for the sake of thought…what do you think might
» happen if someone used a pin to “injure” the scalp like Costarialis has in
» recent experiments and injected some DP cells isolated from the papillas of
» donor follicles in the wound?
»
» Think any neogenic actions going on in healing there might incorporate the
» DP cells of the donor area follicle?
»
»
» I know, Im nosy;-)

I think it might result in a couple hairs from DP cells that rest at the dermal/epidermal connection and are signaled by the epithelial cells lying above them, but nothing to write home about. In fact, a similar technique works pretty well in mice, but has been shown to not fair so well in humans. Now if you add some WNT to the mix, all bets are off. The problem is of course, you won’t be able to source any WNT (and it could result in safety issues if you did manage to locate some).

The wound response was a big factor in a many of the Oliver/Jahoda experiments. When you wound your skin, stem cells from the follicle bulge rush up to repair the wound. When you wound your follicle, stem cells from the same pool migrate down to repair the damage. So the wound response is a known factor in signaling follicular repair. In fact, the early Oliver experiments of the latter 60’s exploited the wound signals present from amputating the follicle in order to grow new end bulbs with normal fiber production.


#6

» » Just wondered if anyone had done any home expertiments with own Dermal
» » Papilla cells?
» »
» » http://www.promocell.de/en/Navigate/product0.php3?target1=59&lang=US
» »
» » Would there be any inherent dangers in having your own Dermal Papilla
» » cells injected? I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago that
» » there is a small success rate when just Dermal Papilla cells are
» injected
» » into a scalp.
»
» Jahoda injected straight uncultured DP cells into his wife’s arm, and it
» did not result in growing ANY hair. The lesson is, in humans, DP cells
» will not work in a vacuum–they must be co-injected with other follicular
» cell types and various growth factors. IOW, to experiment without
» considerable money and knowledge is a complete waste of time and money.
» IMO, it is best to let ICX, Aderans et al continue to do the work for you.
» When they perfect the technique, you will be able to buy it for
» considerably less than you would spend if you were to seriously attempt to
» invent it yourself. The good news is that you will get if faster too!

yes lets all hold our breath and let the rest of our hair fall out while we are waiting for ICX to come up with a miracle in 10 yrs maybe or is it 15


#7

» » » Just wondered if anyone had done any home expertiments with own Dermal
» » » Papilla cells?
» » »
» » » http://www.promocell.de/en/Navigate/product0.php3?target1=59&lang=US
» » »
» » » Would there be any inherent dangers in having your own Dermal Papilla
» » » cells injected? I seem to remember someone mentioning a while ago
» that
» » » there is a small success rate when just Dermal Papilla cells are
» » injected
» » » into a scalp.
» »
» » Jahoda injected straight uncultured DP cells into his wife’s arm, and
» it
» » did not result in growing ANY hair. The lesson is, in humans, DP cells
» » will not work in a vacuum–they must be co-injected with other
» follicular
» » cell types and various growth factors. IOW, to experiment without
» » considerable money and knowledge is a complete waste of time and money.
» » IMO, it is best to let ICX, Aderans et al continue to do the work for
» you.
» » When they perfect the technique, you will be able to buy it for
» » considerably less than you would spend if you were to seriously attempt
» to
» » invent it yourself. The good news is that you will get if faster too!
»
»
» yes lets all hold our breath and let the rest of our hair fall out while
» we are waiting for ICX to come up with a miracle in 10 yrs maybe or is it
» 15

Guys,

Please can you stop this feud between u 2 already.

You’re just spreading a very negative mood all over this forum especially Hangin… Nothing worked for me Hangin and i’m glad that whatever u r taking is working for you but you dont have the right to come and make fun of bald guys just coz u have some hair left… It’s really low man, besides we really really got ur point (HM in 15 yrs) but do u really have to mark it on each post u make?

I really enjoy ur posts and i consider JB to be one of the most rational members so just bury the hatchet btw u 2 and let the discussions be more rational and scientific…

Cheers

LD


#8

» Guys,
»
» Please can you stop this feud between u 2 already.
»
» You’re just spreading a very negative mood all over this forum especially
» Hangin… Nothing worked for me Hangin and i’m glad that whatever u r
» taking is working for you but you dont have the right to come and make fun
» of bald guys just coz u have some hair left… It’s really low man, besides
» we really really got ur point (HM in 15 yrs) but do u really have to mark
» it on each post u make?
»
» I really enjoy ur posts and i consider JB to be one of the most rational
» members so just bury the hatchet btw u 2 and let the discussions be more
» rational and scientific…
»
» Cheers
»
» LD

He is right stop the vendetta.


#9

»» Guys,
»
» Please can you stop this feud between u 2 already.
»
» You’re just spreading a very negative mood all over this forum especially
» Hangin… Nothing worked for me Hangin and i’m glad that whatever u r
» taking is working for you but you dont have the right to come and make fun
» of bald guys just coz u have some hair left… It’s really low man, besides
» we really really got ur point (HM in 15 yrs) but do u really have to mark
» it on each post u make?
»
» I really enjoy ur posts and i consider JB to be one of the most rational
» members so just bury the hatchet btw u 2 and let the discussions be more
» rational and scientific…
»
» Cheers
»
» LD

This is Hangin’s thing man. He comes on these forums that he himself doesn’t believe in(HM and HT) only to fire people up. This is what he truly gets off on. The guy obviously has no friends or a life for that matter otherwise how the hell could he post 24/7. I mean if he really had saved his hair as he claims, WTF is he doing on Hairsite anyway?

No, if you guys cut him off and start ignoring him this might just push him over the edge and he himself may become suicidal or maybe its too late and all that mayonnaise he slathers all over his head may have actually done some serious damage.


#10

So all the information you gave me regarding HM was a lie? You used me Hangin…and I still have difficulty sitting down from our last encounter.

You really know how to stick it to someone.


#11

i dont put anything on my head you geniuses

internal dht blockers are just that, internal

sory i hurt you guys feelings by not joining in , to the cheerleading sessions for HM

» »» Guys,
» »
» » Please can you stop this feud between u 2 already.
» »
» » You’re just spreading a very negative mood all over this forum
» especially
» » Hangin… Nothing worked for me Hangin and i’m glad that whatever u r
» » taking is working for you but you dont have the right to come and make
» fun
» » of bald guys just coz u have some hair left… It’s really low man,
» besides
» » we really really got ur point (HM in 15 yrs) but do u really have to
» mark
» » it on each post u make?
» »
» » I really enjoy ur posts and i consider JB to be one of the most
» rational
» » members so just bury the hatchet btw u 2 and let the discussions be
» more
» » rational and scientific…
» »
» » Cheers
» »
» » LD
»
» This is Hangin’s thing man. He comes on these forums that he himself
» doesn’t believe in(HM and HT) only to fire people up. This is what he
» truly gets off on. The guy obviously has no friends or a life for that
» matter otherwise how the hell could he post 24/7. I mean if he really had
» saved his hair as he claims, WTF is he doing on Hairsite anyway?
»
» No, if you guys cut him off and start ignoring him this might just push
» him over the edge and he himself may become suicidal or maybe its too late
» and all that mayonnaise he slathers all over his head may have actually
» done some serious damage.