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HDC - 2750 grafts, Strip - 6 months


#1

Courtesy of www.HDC.com.cy
Method: Strip
Number of Grafts: 2,750
After photos, were taken 6 months after the procedure.

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#2

I don’t believe it. I had over 3500 grafts several months back, and don’t even expect mine to be as thick as these pictures depict.


#3

» Courtesy of www.HDC.com.cy
» Method: Strip
» Number of Grafts: 2,750
» After photos, were taken 6 months after the procedure.
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Looks good!


#4

May look good in the pictures, but they will never convince me this is the result of 2750 grafts.

I don’t buy it for one minute.


#5

» May look good in the pictures, but they will never convince me this is the
» result of 2750 grafts.
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» I don’t buy it for one minute.

Here’s a couple other recently posted results that are similar in number and transplanted area:

2739 FIT grafts to the frontal third by Dr. Mwamba:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry.php?id=269&page=1&category=2&order=last_answer

2376 Strip grafts to the frontal third by Dr. Rose:
http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/forum_entry.php?id=1600&page=1&category=2&order=last_answer

2368 FIT grafts tot he frontal third by Dr. Cole:
http://www.forhair.com/hairtransplant/topic944.html

I think this result from HDC is reasonable. The patient has excellent hair characteristics, which helps a lot. But, you don’t have to take my word for it. I’m just trying to help.


#6

Results vary immensely from patient to patient,that’s a fact.Maybe these are freak cases but on average there is no way in hell you could get that kind of result from 2000 plus grafts.I tried! Ok,maybe I went to idiots but I find it very difficult to believe.I don’t trust photos,I don’t truth this industry period so maybe my opinions are worthless.


#7

» I think this result from HDC is reasonable. The patient has excellent
» hair characteristics, which helps a lot. But, you don’t have to take my
» word for it. I’m just trying to help.

yep, I think he does have pretty good calibre hair! There does seem to be a slow but unsteady rebirth in the belief that Hair transplants work. It’s a fuzzy transition though.

HDC is a good clinic I believe, but if they want to build confidence here (and maybe they are not that interested) I cannot understand why they don’t take the constant appeals by us seriously to show the birds eye view and views without the styling. It’s not that demanding.

All the same, a great result. HDC is one of the clinics that induce very little blood caking around the recipient sites. I would like to get to grips with the relevance of this or at least understand why this differs so much between clinics or is it just co-incidence…


#8

» Results vary immensely from patient to patient,that’s a fact.Maybe these
» are freak cases but on average there is no way in hell you could get that
» kind of result from 2000 plus grafts.I tried! Ok,maybe I went to idiots
» but I find it very difficult to believe.I don’t trust photos,I don’t truth
» this industry period so maybe my opinions are worthless.

A noble position to take. Pictures can only show so much. It is good to have a healthy dose of skepticism so that you are driven to learn as much as possible before making life changing decisions. These results don’t happen to this extent for everyone, but I do think that the HDC pics are probably accurate. It is important to understand how your individual hair loss, hair characteristics, etc. can affect your outcome.


#9

» » I think this result from HDC is reasonable. The patient has excellent
» » hair characteristics, which helps a lot. But, you don’t have to take
» my
» » word for it. I’m just trying to help.
»
» yep, I think he does have pretty good calibre hair! There does seem to be
» a slow but unsteady rebirth in the belief that Hair transplants work. It’s
» a fuzzy transition though.
»
» HDC is a good clinic I believe, but if they want to build confidence here
» (and maybe they are not that interested) I cannot understand why they
» don’t take the constant appeals by us seriously to show the birds eye view
» and views without the styling. It’s not that demanding.
»
» All the same, a great result. HDC is one of the clinics that induce very
» little blood caking around the recipient sites. I would like to get to
» grips with the relevance of this or at least understand why this differs
» so much between clinics or is it just co-incidence…

Its true that their pics are very styled. It makes for pretty pictures, but it does cause some speculation…

Initially, blood caked around the recipient can protect the grafts as they seat themselves. But, if sites are to be made in the area, the crust gets in the way of visualization. After the grafts have become stable in the scalp, it is important to remove the crust to help the scalp heal and prevent build up. HairCycle biotin spray has enzymes that break down the crusts - awesome stuff. But, always follow the post op instructions of the clinic that preformed your transplant, however.


#10

» Initially, blood caked around the recipient can protect the grafts as they
» seat themselves. But, if sites are to be made in the area, the crust gets
» in the way of visualization. After the grafts have become stable in the
» scalp, it is important to remove the crust to help the scalp heal and
» prevent build up. HairCycle biotin spray has enzymes that break down the
» crusts - awesome stuff. But, always follow the post op instructions of
» the clinic that preformed your transplant, however.

The question is not “what does blood caking do”. The question is, why is there so much diference in the early post op phase between clinics, in this regard.


#11

» » Initially, blood caked around the recipient can protect the grafts as
» they
» » seat themselves. But, if sites are to be made in the area, the crust
» gets
» » in the way of visualization. After the grafts have become stable in
» the
» » scalp, it is important to remove the crust to help the scalp heal and
» » prevent build up. HairCycle biotin spray has enzymes that break down
» the
» » crusts - awesome stuff. But, always follow the post op instructions of
» » the clinic that preformed your transplant, however.
»
» The question is not “what does blood caking do”. The question is, why is
» there so much diference in the early post op phase between clinics, in
» this regard.

Sorry, marco. It is up to the clinic’s decision whether they want to leave the crust as protection or not. If they spray continuously with saline throughout the procedure, the post op pic will be very clean. For example, we use Haircycle biotin spray to keep the area moist and clean and to give the grafts an extra dose of nutrients through the procedure. If the clinic decides that the crust is adventageous, they will not take these measures.

Dr. Mwamba taught me an atraumatic method for placing the grafts. It is so gentle that the site doesn’t bleed when I place. That helps to keep the area clean as well.


#12

» » » Initially, blood caked around the recipient can protect the grafts as
» » they
» » » seat themselves. But, if sites are to be made in the area, the crust
» » gets
» » » in the way of visualization. After the grafts have become stable in
» » the
» » » scalp, it is important to remove the crust to help the scalp heal and
» » » prevent build up. HairCycle biotin spray has enzymes that break down
» » the
» » » crusts - awesome stuff. But, always follow the post op instructions
» of
» » » the clinic that preformed your transplant, however.
» »
» » The question is not “what does blood caking do”. The question is, why
» is
» » there so much diference in the early post op phase between clinics, in
» » this regard.
»
» Sorry, marco. It is up to the clinic’s decision whether they want to
» leave the crust as protection or not. If they spray continuously with
» saline throughout the procedure, the post op pic will be very clean. For
» example, we use Haircycle biotin spray to keep the area moist and clean
» and to give the grafts an extra dose of nutrients through the procedure.
» If the clinic decides that the crust is adventageous, they will not take
» these measures.
»
» Dr. Mwamba taught me an atraumatic method for placing the grafts. It is
» so gentle that the site doesn’t bleed when I place. That helps to keep
» the area clean as well.

Ah, now that is interesting. Is it true that the only difference between the clinics that show clean / uncaked immediate post op pics is the intraoperative bathing. I saw this very differently. I would like that confirmed because it will put to rest part of my personal investigations. If you get a chance, could you ask if Dr. Cole could confirm this. Many thanks for this comment Jessica. Also, I thought that the trauma / bleeding would be caused by the incision not by the graft placement.


#13

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» Ah, now that is interesting. Is it true that the only difference between
» the clinics that show clean / uncaked immediate post op pics is the
» intraoperative bathing. I saw this very differently. I would like that
» confirmed because it will put to rest part of my personal investigations.
» If you get a chance, could you ask if Dr. Cole could confirm this. Many
» thanks for this comment Jessica. Also, I thought that the trauma /
» bleeding would be caused by the incision not by the graft placement.

It is quite common for less than adept graft placement to stir up bleeding, at least until the graft “plugs” the site, and even then there may be some ooze. There is then more blood on the field.
Dr. Cole has always maintained that a “clean” operative field is essential for the best placement. This is a standard dictum of surgery. This is why we are continually spraying saline during placement (and Biotin spray when placing is not active). A clean field helps to identify the sites, which isn’t always as easy as one might assume, and assists in atraumatic placement of the grafts.
One can have an extremely bloody case, and with proper intraop cleansing, still have it looking pristine post-operatively. So the post-op appearance has to do with the level of cleansing, not necessarily the amount of bleeding experienced.


#14

» »
» » Ah, now that is interesting. Is it true that the only difference
» between
» » the clinics that show clean / uncaked immediate post op pics is the
» » intraoperative bathing. I saw this very differently. I would like that
» » confirmed because it will put to rest part of my personal
» investigations.
» » If you get a chance, could you ask if Dr. Cole could confirm this. Many
» » thanks for this comment Jessica. Also, I thought that the trauma /
» » bleeding would be caused by the incision not by the graft placement.
»
»
» It is quite common for less than adept graft placement to stir up
» bleeding, at least until the graft “plugs” the site, and even then there
» may be some ooze. There is then more blood on the field.
» Dr. Cole has always maintained that a “clean” operative field is essential
» for the best placement. This is a standard dictum of surgery. This is why
» we are continually spraying saline during placement (and Biotin spray when
» placing is not active). A clean field helps to identify the sites, which
» isn’t always as easy as one might assume, and assists in atraumatic
» placement of the grafts.
» One can have an extremely bloody case, and with proper intraop cleansing,
» still have it looking pristine post-operatively. So the post-op appearance
» has to do with the level of cleansing, not necessarily the amount of
» bleeding experienced.

That’s all very well but Armani and possibly H&W patients often demonstrate a very caked post op appearance. Yet these are two of the most successful surgeons that produce fantastic results. So clearly there is more to this. See the link below.

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=53200&mesg_id=53212&page=


#15

» » »
» » » Ah, now that is interesting. Is it true that the only difference
» » between
» » » the clinics that show clean / uncaked immediate post op pics is the
» » » intraoperative bathing. I saw this very differently. I would like
» that
» » » confirmed because it will put to rest part of my personal
» » investigations.
» » » If you get a chance, could you ask if Dr. Cole could confirm this.
» Many
» » » thanks for this comment Jessica. Also, I thought that the trauma /
» » » bleeding would be caused by the incision not by the graft placement.
» »
» »
» » It is quite common for less than adept graft placement to stir up
» » bleeding, at least until the graft “plugs” the site, and even then
» there
» » may be some ooze. There is then more blood on the field.
» » Dr. Cole has always maintained that a “clean” operative field is
» essential
» » for the best placement. This is a standard dictum of surgery. This is
» why
» » we are continually spraying saline during placement (and Biotin spray
» when
» » placing is not active). A clean field helps to identify the sites,
» which
» » isn’t always as easy as one might assume, and assists in atraumatic
» » placement of the grafts.
» » One can have an extremely bloody case, and with proper intraop
» cleansing,
» » still have it looking pristine post-operatively. So the post-op
» appearance
» » has to do with the level of cleansing, not necessarily the amount of
» » bleeding experienced.
»
» That’s all very well but Armani and possibly H&W patients often
» demonstrate a very caked post op appearance. Yet these are two of the most
» successful surgeons that produce fantastic results. So clearly there is
» more to this. See the link below.
»
» http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=53200&mesg_id=53212&page=

I dont think i believe this is only that number of grafts either, and why is it that i only ever see diffuse thinners from HDC, nothing else.


#16

»
» That’s all very well but Armani and possibly H&W patients often
» demonstrate a very caked post op appearance. Yet these are two of the most
» successful surgeons that produce fantastic results. So clearly there is
» more to this. See the link below.
»
» http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=53200&mesg_id=53212&page=

“That’s all very well”? You asked about bleeding being stirred up during placement vs bleeding from site creation. I answered.
Also, I gave you info about the intraop cleansing of the scalp. Do you really think that leaving the operative field caked with blood somehow improves results? You really HAVE to keep it clean during the case or you can’t see to place. Afterwards, every one is different.
BTW, the link you provided only shows a guy that is not being very aggressive about shampooing his grafts post-op. It really looks pretty clean immedicately post-op. Check out day #7 to see what I mean.
FYI, Dr. Woods recommends that his patients leave the hair alone for a number of days post-op, no shampooing or anything. In our clinic, we recommend shampooing at least daily after the first 18 to 20 hours, with increasing vigor as the days pass to get rid of crusts and retained hair fragments. These WILL lead to pimples and cysts left unaddressed.


#17

» “That’s all very well”? You asked about bleeding being stirred up during
» placement vs bleeding from site creation. I answered.
» Also, I gave you info about the intraop cleansing of the scalp. Do you
» really think that leaving the operative field caked with blood somehow
» improves results?

That is indeed one of my questions. The other question is wether a certain type of trauma is a disadvantage or an advantage. In the days of laser HT, a number of surgeons were finding that spiking the wound after the laser incision to produce an additional clean trauma was very important.

»You really HAVE to keep it clean during the case or you
» can’t see to place. Afterwards, every one is different.
» BTW, the link you provided only shows a guy that is not being very
» aggressive about shampooing his grafts post-op. It really looks pretty
» clean immedicately post-op. Check out day #7 to see what I mean.

No, not at all. His head is one big dried cake at day seven with some broken clot as he mentioned.

» FYI, Dr. Woods recommends that his patients leave the hair alone for a
» number of days post-op, no shampooing or anything. In our clinic, we
» recommend shampooing at least daily after the first 18 to 20 hours, with
» increasing vigor as the days pass to get rid of crusts and retained hair
» fragments. These WILL lead to pimples and cysts left unaddressed.

Well these are the differences between surgeons that are worth discussing and that is why, just because Dr. Cole recommends something , it does not make it right or wrong. There are different philosophies and also better and worse results even among (and between) the best surgeons. Some of these differences may explain the limitations and advantages and differences in experiences using various techniques. I am just trying to assimilate the possible reasons.


#18

I repeat. NO WAY that’s 2750 grafts. NO WAY. You’ll never convince me.

Only concievable, if an, way is that in the before photos the man’s hair was wet which made it appear much thinner than when dry.


#19

» I repeat. NO WAY that’s 2750 grafts. NO WAY. You’ll never convince me.
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» Only concievable, if an, way is that in the before photos the man’s hair
» was wet which made it appear much thinner than when dry.

There probably just doin a lot of tricks with the lighting and camera to make it look fuller.


#20

» » I repeat. NO WAY that’s 2750 grafts. NO WAY. You’ll never convince
» me.
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» » Only concievable, if an, way is that in the before photos the man’s
» hair
» » was wet which made it appear much thinner than when dry.
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» There probably just doin a lot of tricks with the lighting and camera to
» make it look fuller.

The result is exactly what you see there.

I have sent to Hairsite the full phase photos that you see and today I have send the before and after video of this patient. Hairsite will download it soon and then you can give your final comments. We show our work and the forum members can form an opinion.

In addition we have 40 clean and comparable results http://www.hdc.com.cy/index.php?pageid=24 in our website.