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#1

I posted this in some other forum without any replies which struck me as odd. How is it possible that i am getting manboobs from a topical? i am currently using revivogen, have been for 5 weeks and am seeing fantastic results. However both regions under my nipples hurt and are swollen. From everything i have read, revivogen or any toppical gets absorbed at such a small amounts that there should not be any systemic side effects. i think my hormonal system has been so out of whack that even a toppical is giving me side effects. Anyone else experienced any weird side effects from using topicals?


#2

» I posted this in some other forum without any replies which struck me as
» odd. How is it possible that i am getting manboobs from a topical? i am
» currently using revivogen, have been for 5 weeks and am seeing fantastic
» results. However both regions under my nipples hurt and are swollen. From
» everything i have read, revivogen or any toppical gets absorbed at such a
» small amounts that there should not be any systemic side effects. i think
» my hormonal system has been so out of whack that even a toppical is giving
» me side effects. Anyone else experienced any weird side effects from using
» topicals?

revivogen is crap. stop using that . you can grow breasts with anything.
i have big breasts from avodart. i stopped and i still get to keep my breasts.
i touch my breasts every night before i go to sleep. can you say the same thing?
loser.


#3

» » I posted this in some other forum without any replies which struck me as
» » odd. How is it possible that i am getting manboobs from a topical? i am
» » currently using revivogen, have been for 5 weeks and am seeing
» fantastic
» » results. However both regions under my nipples hurt and are swollen.
» From
» » everything i have read, revivogen or any toppical gets absorbed at such
» a
» » small amounts that there should not be any systemic side effects. i
» think
» » my hormonal system has been so out of whack that even a toppical is
» giving
» » me side effects. Anyone else experienced any weird side effects from
» using
» » topicals?
»
» revivogen is crap. stop using that . you can grow breasts with anything.
» i have big breasts from avodart. i stopped and i still get to keep my
» breasts.
» i touch my breasts every night before i go to sleep. can you say the same
» thing?
» loser.

Anything that impacts your Estrogen/Testosterone ratio can impact your suseptability to gyno.


#4

Maybe it’s something else besides the topical that you use. I am thinking of trying Arimidex just to be safe, has anyone have any bad side effects from Arimidex ?


#5

No bad side from arimidex. Apesmith, if you don’t want to retain your boobies, give nolvadex a shot that you’ll taper down with a little arimidex. I know many on this board will disagree but doing nothing will get your nipples puffed for ever. Believe me, this is unpleasant forever as well. How do you mean by “fantastic results with revivogen”?


#6

» No bad side from arimidex. Apesmith, if you don’t want to retain your
» boobies, give nolvadex a shot that you’ll taper down with a little
» arimidex. I know many on this board will disagree but doing nothing will
» get your nipples puffed for ever. Believe me, this is unpleasant forever
» as well. How do you mean by “fantastic results with revivogen”?

i couldnt take it anymore, i stopped revivogen a monthe ago, most of the pain from the nipple are is gone and i think the swolleness is abit gone also. Well by fantastic results i meant, within 2 weeks i saw a fur of ‘peach fuzz’ which were turning thicker and darker. I am not sending the revivogen stuff back yet…i have an apointment with an endocronologist in a few days. I believe my hormonal balance is severely out of whack. Right now I am on spectral DNC, so whatever i had gained with revivogen hasnt fallen out, i am pretty much seeing spectral help me out as much as revivogen was, but i want to combine them because revivogen is said to inhibit DHT(at least that was proven by the damn manboobs i got from it).


#7

» » I posted this in some other forum without any replies which struck me as
» » odd. How is it possible that i am getting manboobs from a topical? i am
» » currently using revivogen, have been for 5 weeks and am seeing
» fantastic
» » results. However both regions under my nipples hurt and are swollen.
» From
» » everything i have read, revivogen or any toppical gets absorbed at such
» a
» » small amounts that there should not be any systemic side effects. i
» think
» » my hormonal system has been so out of whack that even a toppical is
» giving
» » me side effects. Anyone else experienced any weird side effects from
» using
» » topicals?
»
» revivogen is crap. stop using that . you can grow breasts with anything.
» i have big breasts from avodart. i stopped and i still get to keep my
» breasts.
» i touch my breasts every night before i go to sleep. can you say the same
» thing?
» loser.

Dude you sound abit out of it. Your comparing a topical to AVODART?? are you out of your mind? I am happy your breasts are giving you something to do at night.


#8

I have never once seen someone post well i did one time about Sw Palmetto or beta sis but its extremely rare that condition with naturals

my results with nizoral cream continue to improve

why not some internal natural dht blockers or have you tried thoae


#9

» I have never once seen someone post well i did one time about Sw Palmetto
» or beta sis but its extremely rare that condition with naturals
»
» my results with nizoral cream continue to improve
»
» why not some internal natural dht blockers or have you tried thoae

The only internal i have tried is propecia. The side effects of which were much worse then revivogen. I am starting to think something is amiss with my hormones, because i cant even THINK of an anti dht product without it effecting me in such severe ways.


#10

» » I have never once seen someone post well i did one time about Sw
» Palmetto
» » or beta sis but its extremely rare that condition with naturals
» »
» » my results with nizoral cream continue to improve
» »
» » why not some internal natural dht blockers or have you tried thoae
»
» The only internal i have tried is propecia. The side effects of which were
» much worse then revivogen. I am starting to think something is amiss with
» my hormones, because i cant even THINK of an anti dht product without it
» effecting me in such severe ways.

prop is not the same as internal natural dht blockers
prop actually decreases blood hormone levels, while , for example saw palmetto does not
thats why prop has all the side effects and saw palmetto doesnt
actually the libido increases in a lot of guys taking the natural dht blockers, including myself
lots of guys have gotten off prop and had no adverse reaction to the naturals

i wouldnt take propecia is you paid me, s


#11

Hanging, as far as you can remember, do propecia dropouts that opted for natural blockers suffered severe hairloss in the wake? My daily dose of fin is2.5mg but I’d like to rid this crap that roughly saves my hair but screws my hormones. At such a high dosage, how much Saw palmetto should I take to reach a comparable anti DHT effect? Loads I guess…


#12

» Hanging, as far as you can remember, do propecia dropouts that opted for
» natural blockers suffered severe hairloss in the wake? My daily dose of
» fin is2.5mg but I’d like to rid this crap that roughly saves my hair but
» screws my hormones. At such a high dosage, how much Saw palmetto should I
» take to reach a comparable anti DHT effect? Loads I guess…

im not sure that is the dilemma, if the fin is stopping the hairloss and u switch then what happens
i cant say personally since i was never on fin
however when i started the natural dht blockers in my regimen i was losing about 300 hairs a day and I was desperate

within 3 wks of starting only saw palmetto my fallout went down to like 20 hairs a day

however some guys have no reaction to natural dht blockers, i dont know why
but i dont believe in just the dht blockers alone i would never recommend that, you need a super hair vitamin mineral too

saw palmetto is one of the weakest dht blockers, adding pygeum, nettles, and beta sis will truly enhance the results

also the niz cream seems to be amazing, as far as the last 6 wks have shown me

you might post on the board, anyone stopped propecia and switched to naturals?

i remember at least 5 guys in the past who dropped prop and switched
i cant remember any complaining, thats not to say it didnt happen

you might try stopping the fin for a month and switching
i cant see any major damage that can happen within a month
if you start to see a shed even in the first two weeks just switch back on the fin i guess

sheds on saw palmetto and naturals are not unheard of but they are not that common

no matter if you stay on the fin or not add a super hair vitamin and mineral


#13

» » Hanging, as far as you can remember, do propecia dropouts that opted for
» » natural blockers suffered severe hairloss in the wake? My daily dose
» of
» » fin is2.5mg but I’d like to rid this crap that roughly saves my hair
» but
» » screws my hormones. At such a high dosage, how much Saw palmetto should
» I
» » take to reach a comparable anti DHT effect? Loads I guess…
»
» im not sure that is the dilemma, if the fin is stopping the hairloss and u
» switch then what happens
» i cant say personally since i was never on fin
» however when i started the natural dht blockers in my regimen i was losing
» about 300 hairs a day and I was desperate
»
» within 3 wks of starting only saw palmetto my fallout went down to like 20
» hairs a day
»
» however some guys have no reaction to natural dht blockers, i dont know
» why
» but i dont believe in just the dht blockers alone i would never recommend
» that, you need a super hair vitamin mineral too
»
» saw palmetto is one of the weakest dht blockers, adding pygeum, nettles,
» and beta sis will truly enhance the results
»
» also the niz cream seems to be amazing, as far as the last 6 wks have
» shown me
»
» you might post on the board, anyone stopped propecia and switched to
» naturals?
»
» i remember at least 5 guys in the past who dropped prop and switched
» i cant remember any complaining, thats not to say it didnt happen
»
» you might try stopping the fin for a month and switching
» i cant see any major damage that can happen within a month
» if you start to see a shed even in the first two weeks just switch back on
» the fin i guess
»
» sheds on saw palmetto and naturals are not unheard of but they are not
» that common
»
» no matter if you stay on the fin or not add a super hair vitamin and
» mineral

I was at the endocrinologist today, did blood tests. She defiantly saw glandular growth and suspected it might have been with me since puberty only it was small so I never noticed it. Revivogen being a DHT blocker exacerbated the condition. Anyone who says topicals don’t end up in the blood stream isn’t telling the truth. Waiting on the results of the blood test. I read somewhere that without finest ride, an anti estrogen will cause further hair loss, anyone know if this is true? I could resume revivogen along with the anti astrogen…hmm I have no idea.


#14

I’ve never ever heard about anyone who would grow gyno from a topical.


#15

» » » Hanging, as far as you can remember, do propecia dropouts that opted
» for
» » » natural blockers suffered severe hairloss in the wake? My daily dose
» » of
» » » fin is2.5mg but I’d like to rid this crap that roughly saves my hair
» » but
» » » screws my hormones. At such a high dosage, how much Saw palmetto
» should
» » I
» » » take to reach a comparable anti DHT effect? Loads I guess…
» »
» » im not sure that is the dilemma, if the fin is stopping the hairloss and
» u
» » switch then what happens
» » i cant say personally since i was never on fin
» » however when i started the natural dht blockers in my regimen i was
» losing
» » about 300 hairs a day and I was desperate
» »
» » within 3 wks of starting only saw palmetto my fallout went down to like
» 20
» » hairs a day
» »
» » however some guys have no reaction to natural dht blockers, i dont know
» » why
» » but i dont believe in just the dht blockers alone i would never
» recommend
» » that, you need a super hair vitamin mineral too
» »
» » saw palmetto is one of the weakest dht blockers, adding pygeum,
» nettles,
» » and beta sis will truly enhance the results
» »
» » also the niz cream seems to be amazing, as far as the last 6 wks have
» » shown me
» »
» » you might post on the board, anyone stopped propecia and switched to
» » naturals?
» »
» » i remember at least 5 guys in the past who dropped prop and switched
» » i cant remember any complaining, thats not to say it didnt happen
» »
» » you might try stopping the fin for a month and switching
» » i cant see any major damage that can happen within a month
» » if you start to see a shed even in the first two weeks just switch back
» on
» » the fin i guess
» »
» » sheds on saw palmetto and naturals are not unheard of but they are not
» » that common
» »
» » no matter if you stay on the fin or not add a super hair vitamin and
» » mineral
»
»
»
» I was at the endocrinologist today, did blood tests. She defiantly saw
» glandular growth and suspected it might have been with me since puberty
» only it was small so I never noticed it. Revivogen being a DHT blocker
» exacerbated the condition. Anyone who says topicals don’t end up in the
» blood stream isn’t telling the truth. Waiting on the results of the blood
» test. I read somewhere that without finest ride, an anti estrogen will
» cause further hair loss, anyone know if this is true? I could resume
» revivogen along with the anti astrogen…hmm I have no idea.

finasteride has been shown to actually decrease blood levels of DHT in the body, this is not good
Saw Palmetto for example, has been shown not to to decrease blood levels of DHT it works by BLOCKING the DHT at the hair follicles, at the hormone receptors on the base of the hair follicles…thats why it is called a dht BLOCKER

I believe this change in blood hormone levels , with propecia, is the reason prop has all the strange side effects that are not present with Saw Palmetto and many other natural dht blockers

I have never seen a drop in libido, shedding, growing breasts , or all those strange things that happen with propecia, and I have been on the naturals for 8 yrs,


#16

How long have you been using spectral DNC? This velus hair you have may be from minox and not from revivogen at all?


#17

» How long have you been using spectral DNC? This velus hair you have may be
» from minox and not from revivogen at all?

no the revivogen gave me vellus hair in about 2 to 3 weeks, but after a month i had to give it up. spectral increased what revivogen gave me and they are turning black. ive been using spectral for a month and a half now. I hope no one uses some random persons responce to a topical as motivation to start ordering products. I would suggest always start with regular rogaine, if you have any responce then move to topicals like spectral. But hey it doesnt hurt to just use everything out there at least once to see what happens.


#18

» I hope no one uses some random persons responce to a topical as
» motivation to start ordering products.

Of course they do. Why do you think scamers hang around? Well, never mind, you’re positive about the fact that this vellus hair appeared before you began using spectral? But were you on rogaine then? Vellus hair is practically infallibly characteristic of minox.


#19

» » I hope no one uses some random persons responce to a topical as
» » motivation to start ordering products.
»
» Of course they do. Why do you think scamers hang around? Well, never mind,
» you’re positive about the fact that this vellus hair appeared before you
» began using spectral? But were you on rogaine then? Vellus hair is
» practically infallibly characteristic of minox.

No about a year or so ago i was on basic rogaine, i used it for 5 or so months. had pretty good regrowth mostly around the temple regions and some on the hair line, but i stopped using it because …yes i didnt have much money back then. All the hairs i regrew fell out again once i stopped rogaine. as for revivogen, I started it before spectral, and yes it gave me alot of vellus hairs in a very short time. Now i am on spectral dnc and some suppliments like MSM, L lysine, Grape seed extract and zink.


#20

» No bad side from arimidex. Apesmith, if you don’t want to retain your
» boobies, give nolvadex a shot that you’ll taper down with a little
» arimidex. I know many on this board will disagree but doing nothing will
» get your nipples puffed for ever. Believe me, this is unpleasant forever
» as well. How do you mean by “fantastic results with revivogen”?

Alrighty gentlemen, this is what my research suggests.

1. Can you get gyno from a topical? Yes.

If the topical penetrates and causes a high-enough systemic concentration then it will cause gyno if (and only if) it operates in such a way that would cause gyno if it were taken as an oral solid.

2. What causes gyno (or prostate cancer for that matter)?

Most recent thinking on this from cancer research and body building research/experimentation is that it is the ratio of E:T. Since many hair loss naturals and drugs operate by modifying the hormone balance, they can cause gyno in suseptible individuals.

Think of this like you think about cholesterol, i.e. the ratio of good to bad is more important that the absolute levels of HDL and LDL.

3. If you are suseptible can you stop gyno?

Sure. Tamoxifen (Novaldex) is a SERM that blocks it in breast cells, but is potentially dangerous. Arimidex (Anastrozole) blocks the formation of E from T. SERM research is a massive focus in the drug industry.

In bodybuilding there is some research that some aromatization might actually assist in gains, but for the most part the industry is still focused on blocking E (and gyno). Latest products include 6-OXO (impacted my sleep) and Attitude (an ADT and 3OHAT combo); Attitude boasted my strength like crazy but I am not convinced it blocks E despite it’s claims.

4. Why doesn’t SP cause gyno?

Because it doesn’t work by blocking the T to DHT transition. People state that SP works because it blocks T receptors in hair cell follicles, but I have seen very little research that supports this. There is research that SP does provide benefit for BPH patients, but the biochemistry has not been detailed and proven to my knowledge (I welcome references to research if anyone has I missed in my research).

As a general rule most natural products have not been researched in terms of their mode of operation; the claims by their manufacturers are primarily marketing hype, i.e. “tell em what they want to hear”.

Hope this helps.

GC.