George Cotsarelis nothing but hype?

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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Follica’s co-founder, George Cotsarelis, is shown predicting a market release “within a few years” under “perfect” circumstances. It is also confirmed that human trials should begin “within the next year or two”. this was in 2008

He even predicted a cure within 2yrs back in 2008 when he was on the Today show.

What a loser!!

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» Follica’s co-founder, George Cotsarelis, is shown predicting a market
» release “within a few years” under “perfect” circumstances. It is also
» confirmed that human trials should begin “within the next year or two”.
» this was in 2008
»
» He even predicted a cure within 2yrs back in 2008 when he was on the Today
» show.
»
» What a loser!!

He’s not a loser.

Every research team would love having a guy like him on their team. Imagine how much funding he’s going to generate with such a minimal finding.

His headline was over 400+ different media after all …

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» » Follica’s co-founder, George Cotsarelis, is shown predicting a market
» » release “within a few years” under “perfect” circumstances. It is also
» » confirmed that human trials should begin “within the next year or two”.
» » this was in 2008
» »
» » He even predicted a cure within 2yrs back in 2008 when he was on the
» Today
» » show.
» »
» » What a loser!!
»
» He’s not a loser.
»
» Every research team would love having a guy like him on their team. Imagine
» how much funding he’s going to generate with such a minimal finding.
»
» His headline was over 400+ different media after all …

I just wish one of these top researchers was a fuked up norwood 7 shiny chrome bald guy…or at least have a son in his teens with a bald plate on top of his head.

They would reveal a lot more.

The Problem with these scientists is that they still have a full head of hair or simply do not know the suffering this may cause to individuals.

The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also the less promising for a cure.

Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up company.

Why oh Why?

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» The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also the
» less promising for a cure.
»
» Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up company.

How did you come to this conclusion? How is Replicel the least promising?

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» » The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also the
» » less promising for a cure.
» »
» » Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up
» company.
»
» How did you come to this conclusion? How is Replicel the least promising?

Cotsarelis wasn’t a hair loss researcher to begin with, came into it incidentally. He became interested in dermatology as his brother had severe acne.

Ken Washenik though is one of us. He’s on big 2 + hair transplant.

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The guy is good at generating headlines but nothing beyond that as far as I’ve seen.

At the end of the day, if all this research does not translate into a treatment/cure, its worthless.

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» » The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also the
» » less promising for a cure.
» »
» » Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up
» company.
»
» How did you come to this conclusion? How is Replicel the least promising?

that will be revealed next month buddy. As of now is nothing but hype…

If it doesn’t show good results prepare yourself to live BALD for at least 10 more years.

Truth hurts i know but that’s reality.

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» Ken Washenik though is one of us. He’s on big 2 + hair transplant.

Absolutely untrue…

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» » » The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also
» the
» » » less promising for a cure.
» » »
» » » Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up
» » company.
» »
» » How did you come to this conclusion? How is Replicel the least
» promising?
»
» that will be revealed next month buddy. As of now is nothing but hype…
»
» If it doesn’t show good results prepare yourself to live BALD for at least
» 10 more years.
»
» Truth hurts i know but that’s reality.

Luckily I’m a NW2 and plan on getting on fin soon, so F.U.

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Although the science looks good, you are right – Cotsarelis has a long series of “false alarms” in his hairloss research. It happens like clockwork… almost every year he finds an amazing “NEW DISCOVERY” which is widely publicized in the media (I am convinced it is Dr. Cotsarelis himself who aggressively seeks the publicity, because how else would there be these big media barrages all of a sudden? I also think that Dr. Cotsarelis actively seeks this media attention, to generate publicity for himself and to keep the money flowing for his research efforts.)

If you look carefully, Dr. Cotsarelis has had a long string of repetitive “discoveries”, each one being touted in the media as the “answer to hairloss” and the basis for a potential male pattern baldness cure. Some of these discoveries are related to each other (like the stem cell research), and some are less closely to his past research, such as this new PGD2 thing.

I know one thing. These discoveries can’t ALL be the ultimate answer which will cure hairloss. It logically follows from this that if each one is successively touted as the answer, and they are later found not to be, then the implication that any of the the previous ones, or the present one, is the ultimate answer is probably misguided, and therefore we should treat each new “discovery” by Dr. Cotsarelis with some skepticism.

Since Dr. Costarelis controls all the information coming out of his lab, and he is one of the top noted experts on this stuff, he is able to “spin” the information on these discoveries any way that suits him. His research always seems to be spun in the most positive light possible, i.e., that something revolutionary has been found and it’s the basis for a cure for hairloss. This happened with the discoveries underpinning Follica, it happened with his discoveries about stem cells being all over the scalp in bald people, and it happened again with this PGD2 stuff.

Since he controls all the information, and reports it from the standpoint of “professor”, he is able to spin the research results any way he wants to. For instance, an example of “spin” is the correlation between blocking PGD2 and increased hair growth. WHAT EXACTLY is the correlation?? What exactly did the data show? How much PGD2 is required to inhibit how much hair growth? Was there a lack of hair growth in control subjects who were not subjected to PGD2 in the same experiment?

We have to be VERY careful about how we interpret these doctors’ reports. Don’t just skim the surface of an article, read between the lines and look for areas where they might be “spinning” the results to suit their own agendas.

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roger_that

have you even read the paper?

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» » » » The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also
» » the
» » » » less promising for a cure.
» » » »
» » » » Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up
» » » company.
» » »
» » » How did you come to this conclusion? How is Replicel the least
» » promising?
» »
» » that will be revealed next month buddy. As of now is nothing but hype…
» »
» » If it doesn’t show good results prepare yourself to live BALD for at
» least
» » 10 more years.
» »
» » Truth hurts i know but that’s reality.
»
» Luckily I’m a NW2 and plan on getting on fin soon, so F.U.

i suggest you get on FIN ASAP, replicel will not do you any good if you have all your follicles DEAD, assuming it works of course.

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» roger_that
»
» have you even read the paper?

Is the full paper available free to the public? I’m sure there is more data in the paper, but how strong was the correlation between PGD2 inhibition and hair growth, or the negative correlation between the presence of PGD2 and hair growth? I hear that the correlation is “statistically significant”, but I think we need more than that. We’ve heard that before. All kinds of anecdotal connections can be described as “statistically significant”; a single experiment may give results that are “statistically significant”, but not replicable – in other words the findings were just fortuitous and happened by chance.

I’m not discounting the potential importance of this discovery, but I think we need to see a very strong, overwhelming correlation to get excited about this, simply because we’ve had so many false alarms before (particularly from this source).

Is it more than just an incidental correlation which falls just barely outside of the margin of error?

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i can fully understand the scepticism but right now i wouldnt rule out a viable hair loss “cure” anymore. ten years ago i would have said naaa no way but today?

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» » » Follica’s co-founder, George Cotsarelis, is shown predicting a market
» » » release “within a few years” under “perfect” circumstances. It is also
» » » confirmed that human trials should begin “within the next year or
» two”.
» » » this was in 2008
» » »
» » » He even predicted a cure within 2yrs back in 2008 when he was on the
» » Today
» » » show.
» » »
» » » What a loser!!
» »
» » He’s not a loser.
» »
» » Every research team would love having a guy like him on their team.
» Imagine
» » how much funding he’s going to generate with such a minimal finding.
» »
» » His headline was over 400+ different media after all …
»
» I just wish one of these top researchers was a fuked up norwood 7 shiny
» chrome bald guy…or at least have a son in his teens with a bald plate on
» top of his head.
»
» They would reveal a lot more.
»
» The Problem with these scientists is that they still have a full head of
» hair or simply do not know the suffering this may cause to individuals.
»
» The only company that seems to be the most open is replicel but also the
» less promising for a cure.
»
» Follica is the most promising company imo, yet the most fuked up company.
»
» Why oh Why?

Excellent, now I know how the media will react when Replicel releases the results of their first in human trials in two weeks. I have a feeling you all might have a reason to cheer.

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I wonder if the timing of this is to preempt replicel. I think guys like this maybe nervous about what Replicel is about to announce. They must be nervous, the’ve known about it for quite sometime.

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» I wonder if the timing of this is to preempt replicel. I think guys like
» this maybe nervous about what Replicel is about to announce. They must be
» nervous, the’ve known about it for quite sometime.

And what happens if I say that I give a sh’t whatever they “announce”?

Threats? Verbal assaults?

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» And what happens if I say that I give a sh’t whatever they
» “announce”?
»
» Threats? Verbal assaults?

WTF are you going on about?

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» … about what Replicel is about to announce

Limit of naivety in this forum tends to infinity

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» » … about what Replicel is about to announce
»
» Limit of naivety in this forum tends to infinity

Why are you so convinced that Replicel won’t work?