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#1

Hi all.
Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with fue/fit/cit as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the question has been totally ignored.:frowning:

Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is fully explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:

Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who can honestly tell me there is a difference.
Thanks.


#2

We perform FUE HT only. You can see how the procedure is performed by gong to youtube and search for prohairclinic.
Maybe you can also find video of FIT procedures on youtube, not sure.

Bart


#3

» We perform FUE HT only. You can see how the procedure is performed by gong
» to youtube and search for prohairclinic.
» Maybe you can also find video of FIT procedures on youtube, not sure.
»
» Bart

Thanks Bart
I know the answer but why no one or other doctors simply say cit is a fancy marketing name for fue.

Now if i was to post and say look at my revolutionary PIRTS procedure which is the best in the world and gives far better results than fue and normal trico strip. I`m sure i would be questioned on it and asked what is the difference and how is it better.


#4

» Hi all.
» Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with fue/fit/cit
» as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the
» question has been totally ignored.:frowning:
»
» Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is fully
» explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:
»
» Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who can
» honestly tell me there is a difference.
» Thanks.

No difference. A punch is used to score around the graft. It is punched down and then rotated or twisted as it is pushed deeper to cut around he follicle. Then special forceps or tweezers are used to pull out the graft.


#5

» Hi all.
» Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with fue/fit/cit
» as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the
» question has been totally ignored.:frowning:
»
» Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is fully
» explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:
»
» Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who can
» honestly tell me there is a difference.
» Thanks.

FUE - follicular unit extraction - is a general term for hair transplant in which the hair is removed by extracting individual follicular units. Other harvesting techniques include strip, 4mm punch grafts, lifts, flaps, scalp reductions, etc. FUE is the least invasive by far.

But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use different techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.

So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole. Dr. Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.

Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In reality, FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of proven results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.


#6

» » Hi all.
» » Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with
» fue/fit/cit
» » as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the
» » question has been totally ignored.:frowning:
» »
» » Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is fully
» » explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:
» »
» » Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who
» can
» » honestly tell me there is a difference.
» » Thanks.
»
» FUE - follicular unit extraction - is a general term for hair transplant
» in which the hair is removed by extracting individual follicular units.
» Other harvesting techniques include strip, 4mm punch grafts, lifts, flaps,
» scalp reductions, etc. FUE is the least invasive by far.
»
» But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use different
» techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.
»
» So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE
» their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole. Dr.
» Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these
» services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.
»
» Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that
» one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is
» controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In reality,
» FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of proven
» results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.

Aqueous,

Great post. I agree with you on this one. To be honest, the differences are transparent to the layman. Yes, there are slightly different tools and techniques, but really the FUE procedure is a simple concept, just as strip, and the changes in technology are relatively minute from one doc to the other. That’s why it’s frustrating when certain docs overmarket their “technology” over others, and yet they refuse to explain what this technology is. I’ve been worked on by three docs who do FUE work, and they all use punches that are similar and techniques that are similar. Really, the only thing that distinguishes a good FUE doc in my opinion is experience and individual ability. Some surgeons just have better hands and eyes than others. I’d rather they just come out and say “I am better at this than others because I have more experience and more skill than other docs” rather than touting some elusive technology advantage.


#7

» » » Hi all.
» » » Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with
» » fue/fit/cit
» » » as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the
» » » question has been totally ignored.:frowning:
» » »
» » » Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is
» fully
» » » explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:
» » »
» » » Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who
» » can
» » » honestly tell me there is a difference.
» » » Thanks.
» »
» » FUE - follicular unit extraction - is a general term for hair
» transplant
» » in which the hair is removed by extracting individual follicular units.
» » Other harvesting techniques include strip, 4mm punch grafts, lifts,
» flaps,
» » scalp reductions, etc. FUE is the least invasive by far.
» »
» » But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use
» different
» » techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.
» »
» » So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE
» » their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole.
» Dr.
» » Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these
» » services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.
» »
» » Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that
» » one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is
» » controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In
» reality,
» » FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of
» proven
» » results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.
»
» Aqueous,
»
» Great post. I agree with you on this one. To be honest, the differences
» are transparent to the layman. Yes, there are slightly different tools and
» techniques, but really the FUE procedure is a simple concept, just as
» strip, and the changes in technology are relatively minute from one doc to
» the other. That’s why it’s frustrating when certain docs overmarket their
» “technology” over others, and yet they refuse to explain what this
» technology is. I’ve been worked on by three docs who do FUE work, and they
» all use punches that are similar and techniques that are similar. Really,
» the only thing that distinguishes a good FUE doc in my opinion is
» experience and individual ability. Some surgeons just have better hands and
» eyes than others. I’d rather they just come out and say “I am better at
» this than others because I have more experience and more skill than other
» docs” rather than touting some elusive technology advantage.

Thanks, Daveone.

I’ve seen some really cool advances in technology in this field, and it does help increase yield and productivity. It also provides some options for advanced hair loss and repair patients that were previously without hope. And this is great, but the rhetoric that sometimes accompanies these advancements are so abrasive that it sours the achievement.

The technology is real - it only seems elusive because of the marketing decisions. Aggressive rhetoric and long term teasers can create excitement and draw attention initially, but tends to decrease credibility in the long run.

The important thing is results and happy patients, despite the marketing and/or gossip.


#8

»
» But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use different
» techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.
»
» So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE
» their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole. Dr.
» Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these
» services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.
»
» Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that
» one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is
» controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In reality,
» FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of proven
» results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.

Hi AqueousSoln(strange name)
You seem to know a bit about this so can i ask why “CIT” posted in a different thread here a few days ago that other people use the term FIT and that those people are not actually doing FIT. The only clinics that I know that publically admit that they perform FIT are DRs Rose and Mwamba. Does this mean that these docs are not doing FIT correctly in the eyes of Dr Cole. He clearly said this in a previous thread.

Question two is this. If you do FIT, and I wanted CIT, could I get CIT from Dr. Mwamba or is there a difference.

Question three, What is the range of size punches that are used for FIT.

I personally in my opinion think larger than a 1mm punch should not be used but if any docs do use larger i would like to hear their reasons why.


#9

» »
» » But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use
» different
» » techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.
» »
» » So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE
» » their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole.
» Dr.
» » Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these
» » services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.
» »
» » Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that
» » one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is
» » controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In
» reality,
» » FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of
» proven
» » results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.
»
» Hi AqueousSoln(strange name)
» You seem to know a bit about this so can i ask why “CIT” posted in a
» different thread here a few days ago that other people use the term FIT and
» that those people are not actually doing FIT. The only clinics that I know
» that publically admit that they perform FIT are DRs Rose and Mwamba. Does
» this mean that these docs are not doing FIT correctly in the eyes of Dr
» Cole. He clearly said this in a previous thread.
»
» Question two is this. If you do FIT, and I wanted CIT, could I get CIT
» from Dr. Mwamba or is there a difference.
»
» Question three, What is the range of size punches that are used for
» FIT.
»
» I personally in my opinion think larger than a 1mm punch should not be
» used but if any docs do use larger i would like to hear their reasons why.

Hi Bigmac,

Aqueous solution is a term used in chemistry. It basically means a solution made of water. As grafts are hydrophillic, and solutions are what patients need, I thought it was fitting. But I guess it could sound strange if you never heard of the term before.

I don’t know why “CIT” posts what he does or what he is talking about. Where is the thread?

Dr. Mwamba offers FIT. Dr. Cole feels that Dr. Mwamba is an excellent FIT surgeon. Otherwise, he would not allow him to use the term “FIT”. I don’t know about Cole’s relationship with Dr. Rose. I’m pretty sure it is friendly, though.

I don’t know what CIT is. It stands for Cole Isolation Technique, but other than that, you will have to ask Dr. Cole’s clinic.

Dr. Mwamba uses punches from .75 to above 1mm for plug removal. He chooses the punch size based on the size of the follicular units. If the punch is too big, the CHANCE (NOT CERTAINTY) of white dots in the donor is increased. If the punch is too small, it increases the CHANCE of transection, sacrifices recipient results, and wastes hair. The punches he uses can be customized as he moves from one area of the donor to another. We make calculations throughout the surgery to ensure a transection rate of 2% or less and to keep us aware of the calculated densities when planning recipient sites.

Many people believe that punches larger than 1mm are bad. That is fine. Dr. Mwmaba can use whatever size you want and discuss the pros and cons with you.


#10

» »
» » But, FUE is a little different in each doctors’ hands. They use
» different
» » techniques, protocol, instruments, storage solutions, etc.
» »
» » So, to be more specific, some doctors have given their version of FUE
» » their own individual name. FIT was created and developed by Dr. Cole.
» Dr.
» » Mwamba has been trained extensively in this technique and offers these
» » services at WHTC in Brussels, Belgium.
» »
» » Unfortunately, over zealous marketing techniques have tried to say that
» » one docor’s version is far superior to all the others. Thus, there is
» » controversy over what exactally the specific differences are. In
» reality,
» » FIT is a very good FUE technique that has a long standing history of
» proven
» » results. However, other doctors have good FUE techniques as well.
»
» Hi AqueousSoln(strange name)
» You seem to know a bit about this so can i ask why “CIT” posted in a
» different thread here a few days ago that other people use the term FIT and
» that those people are not actually doing FIT. The only clinics that I know
» that publically admit that they perform FIT are DRs Rose and Mwamba. Does
» this mean that these docs are not doing FIT correctly in the eyes of Dr
» Cole. He clearly said this in a previous thread.
»
» Question two is this. If you do FIT, and I wanted CIT, could I get CIT
» from Dr. Mwamba or is there a difference.
»
» Question three, What is the range of size punches that are used for
» FIT.
»
» I personally in my opinion think larger than a 1mm punch should not be
» used but if any docs do use larger i would like to hear their reasons why.

Bigmac,

I just read the thread you were talking about. Hahahaha!

CIT says, “We talk the talk that many would like to walk”

How can I argue with Dr. Seuss logic like that? It RHYMES, therefore it must be true, right?

Please keep in mind that FIT is a surgical technique, however, if Dr. Cole’s office chooses to market themselves like this, please don’t think it has anything to do with Dr. Mwamba or WHTC. We do not share the same views on acceptable behavior. Hahaha.

Perhaps Dr. Mwamba said it best:
"I used the same technique as Dr Cole.With FIT ,you got a variety of tools we used so we can customizedour tools according to each patient.The only difference we can have with Cole is the options.Each one of us has its own personnality and judgement.In some patients I may opt to be agressive while Dr Cole will choose to be conservative;or I can choose to use one tool and Dr Cole the other.But the approach ,and the philosophy of our procedure is the same. "


#11

Thanks for clarifying that because there is so much false information being posted it beggars belief and newbies need to be made aware.

So is it safe to say you will only go above a 1mm punch if you are extracting old plug grafts.Is there any reason these cant be removed with a smaller punch.

I like how you will answer the questions asked of you unlike others who think ignoring them is the best option.

Thanks Bri.


#12

» Thanks for clarifying that because there is so much false information being
» posted it beggars belief and newbies need to be made aware.
»
» So is it safe to say you will only go above a 1mm punch if you are
» extracting old plug grafts.Is there any reason these cant be removed with a
» smaller punch.
»
» I like how you will answer the questions asked of you unlike others who
» think ignoring them is the best option.
»
» Thanks Bri.

Not speaking for the clinic but when most surgeons remove a punch graft they usually remove the whole thing with a larger tool and then close with a stich if needed and disect the removed hairs afterwards. I did wonder why not remove by standard FUE but I understand that it can actually look worse using FUE if there is a preexisting coblestone (raised area of the punch graft)


#13

» Thanks for clarifying that because there is so much false information being
» posted it beggars belief and newbies need to be made aware.
»
» So is it safe to say you will only go above a 1mm punch if you are
» extracting old plug grafts.Is there any reason these cant be removed with a
» smaller punch.
»
» I like how you will answer the questions asked of you unlike others who
» think ignoring them is the best option.
»
» Thanks Bri.

Not necessarily. Because follicular units vary in their diameters, Dr. Mwamba will not limit himself to any particular size. He chooses the smallest punch that can fit the follicular unit without damaging the hairs when removing them.

When removing plugs, like marco was saying, it can be a tricky process. The way the plug grafts heal causes the hairs to shoot out in different directions under the skin. Sometimes a larger punch can give you better result here. As marco said, a suture is used to close the wound if the plug is very big.


#14

Thanks all

Are there any pictures from anyone of the donor area after it has healed from plug removal.


#15

» Thanks all
»
» Are there any pictures from anyone of the donor area after it has healed
» from plug removal.

Let me see what I can find. We have a plug distribution case this week. If the patient agrees and sends follow up photos, maybe I can post his pictures.


#16

Thanks as that would be most educational


#17

» » Hi all.
» » Can anyone tell me if there is any difference whatsoever with
» fue/fit/cit
» » as i have asked this question numerous times on another post and the
» » question has been totally ignored.:frowning:
» »
» » Now Strip is pretty simple to understand and the trico closure is fully
» » explained with excellent results when done by a competent doctor.:slight_smile:
» »
» » Are there any patients on here who have had fue and then fit/cit who
» can
» » honestly tell me there is a difference.
» » Thanks.
»
» No difference. A punch is used to score around the graft. It is punched
» down and then rotated or twisted as it is pushed deeper to cut around he
» follicle. Then special forceps or tweezers are used to pull out the graft.

You would probably need to have studied or completed a fellowship of both concepts to know and understand the true differences.

You would may also be able to determine some differences if you were a FUE and CIT patient.

I have been told that Dr. Cole doesn’t use pucnches to extract because of the new devices he has.

I say that there are definitely differences but the differences aren’t major in most peoples’ understanding.


#18

»
» You would probably need to have studied or completed a fellowship of both
» concepts to know and understand the true differences.
»
» You would may also be able to determine some differences if you were a FUE
» and CIT patient.
»
» I have been told that Dr. Cole doesn’t use pucnches to extract because of
» the new devices he has.
»
» I say that there are definitely differences but the differences aren’t
» major in most peoples’ understanding.

I dont agree with this that you probably need to have completed a fellowship to know the difference.Its a pretty straight forward procedure and concept to understand.

This is interesting that you say Dr Cole does not use punches to extract the follicles,forgive me if you think i`m being a bit niave but how on earth can he remove them otherwise.Does he cut around each one with a surgical blade.


#19

The only thing I heard he was experimenting with was a drilling device. Same concept as a punch, it just rotates at higher speeds.

Oh, and this is thing that creates so much controversy: If I go for strip, I can easily find out what I am getting…if I ask H&W or another reputable clinic about the blades they are using for cutting the strip, or how they extract the follicles from the strip, or how they prepare the recipient sites, they will be explain the whole process with no problem. So why would I want to get surgery from a clinic if I have no idea how the doc is performing the surgery and he won’t explain it to the public?


#20

Drilling device sounds scary.:lookaround: