Fue - fit- cit

Hair Transplant
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“Recently MYWHTC a poster here on hairsite admitted
on a thread that the punch sizes of THAT clinic do
indeed reach and may go over 1.0mm
as need be in their procedure of FIT
(FOLLICULAR ISOLATION TECHNIQUE).”

Perhaps it will help if I clarify. MyWHTC did not say these things. However, I said:
“Dr. Mwamba uses punches from .75 to above 1mm for plug removal.”

I feel that I am being misquoted. I apologize for the confusion.

Plug removal is different from normal scalp hair harvesting. Plugs are larger pieces of tissue containing more than one follicular unit. Removing plugs in an effort to repair poor quality hair transplants can sometimes require a larger punch to minimize scarring and improve the overall outcome.

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» Hi CIT
»
» I appreciate your attention however there are even more questions that
» need answers in addition to the ones that you are skirting based on the
» post above.
»
» First of all you state,
»
» As I have said it once, I shall say it again. Our clinic doesn’t market
» our service as the majority of clinics do.
»
» I have to disagree with this blanket statement as well as provide evidence
» that you might be incorrect. You have to agree that at any given time your
» clinic has 5 to 10 threads going at any given time on this website. As of
» my posting today, you have nine threads that are:
» 1. Promoting your services FIT, CIT, C2G and the strip excision.
» 2. Stating that your services are superior to ALL others.
» 3. Stating that anyone else besides your clinic performing FIT is not
» doing it properly (Despite Dr Paul Rose and Dr Mwamba performing FIT
» without complaint).
» 4. Stating that other physicians can substantiate your introduction of a
» 0.75mm punch. No one has ever come forward to confirm this and I with a
» high degree of certainty doubt that a physician would.
» 5. Showing repeat results over and over re-packaged in video and picture
» formats. (good results only)
»
» Of the private practices out there and definitely on this particular
» site, you have to agree that you are at least among the most aggressive and
» clever marketeers in the industry. What is clear in this thread alone is
» the following.
»
» 1. The denial of using your large punch technologies such as the 1.1mm,
» 1.2mm, 1.3mm and so on and so forth.
» 2. Diversion from clear and simple inquiries such as the one about the
» poster MyWHTC who recently stated that there are times when that clinic
» does use punches that are over 1.0mm whilst performing FIT which was taught
» by your clinic to that clinic.
» 3. You are attempting to use my questions as a way to provide links to
» studies, pictures and videos in lieu of answers which i find to be most
» troubling. In my opinion this is an attempted marketing strategy to NOT
» answer questions and at the same time sending people to your website. It
» seems somewhat condescending to me and my honest and fair questions on this
» public forum.
» 4. Stating that you have now performed over 2 million extractions when
» last week you stated over 1 million extractions performed. I don’t
» understand that out of the 1 or 2 million extractions performed why you
» cannot simply tell me the statistics of your 1.0mm, 1.1mm, 1.2mm in that
» which ones are you using the most.
» 5. Your theory of ‘less is more’ which has zero research to confirm this
» approach (again an in-house optimism in my opinion). This statement alone
» can be construed as ensuring there will be a second surgery guaranteed and
» who would want to switch clinics if they started with one clinic. I could
» be wrong but there is absolutely no one that has this approach.
» 6. You state, ‘There is no marketing but there is factual information.
» Like Dr Cole has practiced FUE/BHT longer that any other surgeon in the
» U.S.A.’
» No, this is incorrect information. There are other physicians that have
» been doing FUE as long as you (Dr Paul Rose who co-invented the follicular
» isolation technique with you) in the USA and a couple that started before
» you (such as Dr Jones). As far as body hair transplants go, Dr Umar has
» surpassed your clinic with posting decent results of BHT patients (Dr Umar
» does not use the less is more approach however). But yes you have probably
» performed BHT on patients longer than Dr Umar.
» 7. And finally you state that you are objective in your statements posted
» here. Well again I have to disagree because you have never shown
» objectiveness to several physicians that use micro punch technology such as
» Dr Umar, Dr Woods, Dr Harris, Dr Poswal, Dr Jones, Dr Iltler, DrBisanga and
» Dr Rose. All of the aforementioned physicians use punches within a range of
» 0.75mm to 1.0mm. They all have posted good results using micro-punch
» technology. Some more than others. But the point here is that you have
» stated emphatically that those who use a 0.75mm punch do so as a marketing
» gimic.
»
» Point by point anyone can see that there are all sorts of inconsistencies,
» blanket statements and salesy answers to direct questions. No dis-respect
» to you or your services. Can you please simply answer every question that I
» have asked. No diversions, links, pictures or studies that are not repeated
» in other clinics. Just answers. Thank you again.
»
» Bigmac

“the poster MyWHTC who recently stated
that there are times when that clinic does use punches
that are over 1.0mm whilst performing FIT which was taught
by your clinic to that clinic”

Perhaps it will help if I clarify. MyWHTC did not say these things. However, I said:
“Dr. Mwamba uses punches from .75 to above 1mm for plug removal.”

I feel that I am being misquoted. I appologize for the confusion.

Plug removal is different from normal scalp hair harvesting. Plugs are larger pieces of tissue containing more than one follicular unit. Removing plugs in an effort to repair poor quality hair transplants can sometimes require a larger punch to minimize scarring and improve the overall outcome.

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» Hi CIT
»
» I appreciate your attention however there are even more questions that
» need answers in addition to the ones that you are skirting based on the
» post above.
»
» First of all you state,
»
» As I have said it once, I shall say it again. Our clinic doesn’t market
» our service as the majority of clinics do.
»
» I have to disagree with this blanket statement as well as provide evidence
» that you might be incorrect. You have to agree that at any given time your
» clinic has 5 to 10 threads going at any given time on this website. As of
» my posting today, you have nine threads that are:
» 1. Promoting your services FIT, CIT, C2G and the strip excision.
» 2. Stating that your services are superior to ALL others.
» 3. Stating that anyone else besides your clinic performing FIT is not
» doing it properly (Despite Dr Paul Rose and Dr Mwamba performing FIT
» without complaint).
» 4. Stating that other physicians can substantiate your introduction of a
» 0.75mm punch. No one has ever come forward to confirm this and I with a
» high degree of certainty doubt that a physician would.
» 5. Showing repeat results over and over re-packaged in video and picture
» formats. (good results only)
»
» Of the private practices out there and definitely on this particular
» site, you have to agree that you are at least among the most aggressive and
» clever marketeers in the industry. What is clear in this thread alone is
» the following.
»
» 1. The denial of using your large punch technologies such as the 1.1mm,
» 1.2mm, 1.3mm and so on and so forth.
» 2. Diversion from clear and simple inquiries such as the one about the
» poster MyWHTC who recently stated that there are times when that clinic
» does use punches that are over 1.0mm whilst performing FIT which was taught
» by your clinic to that clinic.
» 3. You are attempting to use my questions as a way to provide links to
» studies, pictures and videos in lieu of answers which i find to be most
» troubling. In my opinion this is an attempted marketing strategy to NOT
» answer questions and at the same time sending people to your website. It
» seems somewhat condescending to me and my honest and fair questions on this
» public forum.
» 4. Stating that you have now performed over 2 million extractions when
» last week you stated over 1 million extractions performed. I don’t
» understand that out of the 1 or 2 million extractions performed why you
» cannot simply tell me the statistics of your 1.0mm, 1.1mm, 1.2mm in that
» which ones are you using the most.
» 5. Your theory of ‘less is more’ which has zero research to confirm this
» approach (again an in-house optimism in my opinion). This statement alone
» can be construed as ensuring there will be a second surgery guaranteed and
» who would want to switch clinics if they started with one clinic. I could
» be wrong but there is absolutely no one that has this approach.
» 6. You state, ‘There is no marketing but there is factual information.
» Like Dr Cole has practiced FUE/BHT longer that any other surgeon in the
» U.S.A.’
» No, this is incorrect information. There are other physicians that have
» been doing FUE as long as you (Dr Paul Rose who co-invented the follicular
» isolation technique with you) in the USA and a couple that started before
» you (such as Dr Jones). As far as body hair transplants go, Dr Umar has
» surpassed your clinic with posting decent results of BHT patients (Dr Umar
» does not use the less is more approach however). But yes you have probably
» performed BHT on patients longer than Dr Umar.
» 7. And finally you state that you are objective in your statements posted
» here. Well again I have to disagree because you have never shown
» objectiveness to several physicians that use micro punch technology such as
» Dr Umar, Dr Woods, Dr Harris, Dr Poswal, Dr Jones, Dr Iltler, DrBisanga and
» Dr Rose. All of the aforementioned physicians use punches within a range of
» 0.75mm to 1.0mm. They all have posted good results using micro-punch
» technology. Some more than others. But the point here is that you have
» stated emphatically that those who use a 0.75mm punch do so as a marketing
» gimic.
»
» Point by point anyone can see that there are all sorts of inconsistencies,
» blanket statements and salesy answers to direct questions. No dis-respect
» to you or your services. Can you please simply answer every question that I
» have asked. No diversions, links, pictures or studies that are not repeated
» in other clinics. Just answers. Thank you again.
»
» Bigmac

Sure. The simpliest answer regarding details of CIT is that our instruments are in fact “trade secret”. What else can I say. If you don’t feel as if we can meet your needs then you should continue to have strip surgery with Dr. Shapiro.

Hairsite is a forum that every patient or doctor may present the results of a case. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be on this thread yourself. Physicians can be first to do something but you shouldn’t underestimate the skill of another. Experience is based on hours of surgery, numbers of cases, and frequency of treated cases.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS…

Big Mac,

It seems that you have some sort of agenda that has nothing to do with CIT or our mantra. For the past several years, we have addressed the same questions regarding our procedure and our technique. Our results speak for themselves and we leave it to you to assess the results of others. We have no intention of disclosing our technique or instrumentation in a public forum. Therefore, your agenda simply needs to cease. Our goal is to help patients move beyond their concerns over their hair loss. We have no secret agenda and no desire to malign others by attacking them or confronting them in a public forum. Patients can make their own decisions by evaluating each clinic or physician on their individual merits.

Every time someone new comes on the FUE scene, they want to interrogate us. I guess that’s what you have to expect when you are a leader in the field of FUE and hair transplant surgery. Never the less, we find the same old agenda tiresome and without benefit to anyone, especially patients. Patients want proven results. No one benefits from attempts to smear a procedure or a clinic with proven results.

We have developed very successful methods for removing grafts via CIT. Our methods, procedures, and instruments are all proprietary trade secrets. We do not give anyone the right to disclose our trade secrets. Anyone who obtains information about our trade secrets without our consent would need legal representation. Since we have no intention of consenting to your acquisition of our trade secrets, it is in your best interest to simply leave the matter alone.

Be happy for patients who’s quality of life is better an appreciate the results.

P.S. You may be telling hair site that he is falsely charging Dr. Cole as having the most experience in FUE/BHT in the U.S.A.

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» Quote
» Any physician can confirm the previous statements. We turn down over one
» hundred patients who wish to do surgery but we don’t suggest for surgery.
» We get numerous patients in their early 20s who didn’t know that they even
» had a linear scar. Don’t tell me that it “sounds” like at sales pitch when
» the statements are factual
»
» CIT,
» You said that any physician can confirm your previous statements. If that
» is so, I believe is it important,no i think it is essential that a
» physician, any physician not associated with your clinic corroborates your
» story.

I am not a physician. But I do know for a fact that Dr. Cole has turned down many prospective patients. I knew about that through the online consultations that I arranged for HairSite visitors. I think the rejection rate is particularly high for women hair loss patients too. I was told by some who reported that Dr. Cole had requested that they went through all kind of blood exam before he would even meet with them for a consultation.

45

AqueousSoln

Thank you for the clarification.

I must of read it wrong

46

Hairsite,

I have never asked about turn down rates however thank you.I know all ethical doctors turn away patients for whatever reasons.

47

» AqueousSoln
»
» Thank you for the clarification.
»
» I must of read it wrong

That’s OK, no harm done - it happens a lot on forums. Forums are great for initial research and gathering info (I love Hairsite’s stats), but its no comparison to talking face to face, you know? Its easy to misread :slight_smile:

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Dr Cole/ Cit

I am very happy for any patient who feels that their quality of life is better as a result of surgery. Here is the huge problem. You have been discussing select components of your “secret” surgery. You disclose the parts that will appeal to casual lay-readers. But when asked the hard questions you hide behind the “trade secret” excuse. Believe me if and when you state the frequency with which you use your 1.1mm punch, your 1.2mm punch, and your 1.3mm punch no doctor in my opinion will follow suit with todats advancements in fue. Still, you do not state the frequency with which you use your 1.1 mm punches, your 1.2 mm punches, and your 1.3mm punches.

This displays a tenancy on your part to filter information. Information that serves you is pasted across the net. Information that does not serve you is hidden, stifled or called a “trade secret.” Given this trend, you can see how my happiness for satisfied patients does not translate to happiness for your patients. Why, Because if you are willing to flaunt your extremely limited use of the .75mm punch and at the same time guard your use of your 1.1mm punch, your 1.2mm punch, and your 1.3mm punch, you might be doing the same thing with your photos. That is to say again, you flaunt your good results and hide your other results. These results are in a way little “trade secrets” too. I dare say I am concerned for some patients as of the 2 million grafts you claim to have extracted.I imagine we have seen far less than even 5% in your marketing material. So we do not know what goes on really. We only know that you filter information.

I am happy that Hairsite,a website that you sponsor feels that you are the most experienced with BHT and FUE in North America. Perhaps if you gain more experience and developed techniques which enable you to use smaller punches, patients and doctors will share this optimistic view. Until then patients have an option between CIT and small punch technology. I am happy they have this option in North America, Europe, Austrialia etc.

Are you really the most experienced with BHT doc in the US. I seem to remember you posting some 10,000+ graft cases immediately post-op. But I do not recall seeing results ever. I know Dr Umar has posted such result though.

I have reviewed this thread and I feel certain that none of the questions that I have asked place your technique at risk. You could answer each and every question without fear of another doc suddenly being able to perform your surgery (unless it is very simple stuff, of course). Yet you do not answer. Furthermore, you seem very irritated with my questions. Your behavior suggests a general contempt for patients, their intelligence and their right to know what a doctor is doing to them. This concerns me as a person with hair loss and as a hair transplant patient.

You should answer the questions. Please also note that no doctors are supporting your stories as you said they would.
Also in no way have i an agenda as i just like a doctors/reps to answer questions on a public forum where they advertise their services.

Thanks again

Bigmac.

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A few people are prone to scarring. If anyone is concerned about scarring, they should do a small test area to see how things heal up. Also, meeting patients of doctors you are considering having work with is recommended. I have seen work done by three of the doctors who post in this forum, Dr. Wong, Dr. Woods and Dr. Cole. Scarring was simply not an issue with the patients I met. I met one patient who had work done by all three doctors, Dr. Wong did a strip, Dr. Woods added body hair as did Dr. Cole. Everything looked great. Very natural.

I am going on 8 months post-op with Dr. Cole. I am a repair patient and had to use body hair. There wasn’t any visible scarring from my first three surgeries, so for my last I mentioned the punch size controversey and that I thought it was B.S. I gave my consent to use a large punch on my legs to grab some of the “threes”. I don’t know if the doctor needed to but there aren’t any visible scars 8 months down the road. I posted a clear photo in this forum about a year ago of my shaved back where grafts were taken. There is no visible scarring there either.

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CIT is a type of FUE, all doctors do a type of FUE. To claim “FUE is inferior” is just a bit silly.

I think it would be better to just show results and leave it at that if all details are a Trade Secret - because just saying:

“We are the best because we have a higher turnover and we have Trade Secrets that would be dangerous in the wrong hands”

frankly just invites ridicule.

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Bigmac,

I am unsure that you are satisfied with your previous hair transplants and frankly I wish you the best. You should definitely continue with your questions about the specifics our procedure. I do think that being a HT therapist is a costly occupation. I feel great posting so many patients. You may also have the option to choose CIT if your donor area hasn’t been over-harvested. Also, Strip may not be in your best interests in the next 5+ years.

Today, we had another patient turned down for surgery, but maybe you would like to know if you can have more surgery. With many unknowns about your present state, it is difficult to know whether or not you may obtain an actual CIT result to post. You are welcome to continue with your specific inquires about CIT instrumentation and I will respond with another quality result.

I note that you have already sent an official invite to physicians on this forum to denounce previously stated facts and have recieved only silence in return. You are more than welcome to find out more info about this clinic by scheduling an in-person consultation.

You seem to only focus on negativity and fail to realize that not all patients want their heads online. Only a select few will consent to release their photos, decide against publishing and some patients move on with their lives. I’m not here to give you advice but you seem to overlook and be scared of truth. Focus on the whole picture, not just one. The truth is still in the results.

As a pioneer of this procedure, Dr. Cole should keep his methods and instruments safely guarded to regulate a quality product. This quality product will go round for round with your fancy verbage to promote other doctors in lieu of quality results. I really appreciate the fact that you asked about Dr. Cole being the most experienced FUE.BHT doctor in the U.S.A. There is no question on the matter.

Your plethera of unsubstantiated facts enable our results to be much more pleasing to see because you have no understanding of a proven procedure. You have zero facts to support your claims about your “knowledge” of our instruments so I’m not sure you can handle the truth at all. You have absolutely zero facts posted in this thread and will continue to know exactly nothing about the service we offer. Your risk assessment has done wonders for enabling us to do our job by releasing more results with confidence. Try not to let the lack of results from other clinics make you feel mislead because they sell you on an instrument size and not a proven product. Please believe we have hundreds of patients who are happy and don’t desire the release of their photo results to online sites/forums. Perfection doesn’t happen overnight my fellow forum viewer. My suggestion is to do even more research on www.forhair.com.

Please checkout the true testimonials so you may understand what “happiness” :slight_smile: is.

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My advice is not medical advice

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» Hairsite,
»
» I have never asked about turn down rates however thank you.I know all
» ethical doctors turn away patients for whatever reasons.

Bigmac,

who did your FUE in the past and do you promote a clinic? I am 22 and wasn’t turned down for surgery. Should I be worried?

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CIT,

Good morning. This is a nice debate. I will humour the continued deflections and denials of my unanswered questions by a point by point quoting of you. Then I will emphatically prove that you are trying to divert attention to other issues that were never asked of you.

  1. You said, "I am unsure that you are satisfied with your previous hair transplants and frankly I wish you the best."
    Thank you but my inquiries to you have nothing to do with me. This is a diversion tactic in my opinion.

  2. You said, "You should definitely continue with your questions about the specifics of our procedure. I do think that being a HT therapist is a costly occupation."
    I have continued asking the same questions and you do not answer one of them. The second sentence makes no sense. Probably a posting diversion style in the realm of “say anything to confuse them.”

  3. You said, "You may also have the option to choose CIT if your donor area hasn’t been over-harvested. Also, Strip may not be in your best interests in the next 5+ years."
    Again, I asked you questions and again this is not about my personal transplants. In my opinion this is deflection posting.

  4. You said, "Today, we had another patient turned down for surgery, but maybe you would like to know if you can have more surgery. With many unknowns about your present state, it is difficult to know whether or not you may obtain an actual CIT result to post."
    I never asked questions concerning your turning people down. Again I asked simple questions related to your services which have have never been answered. Disclosure, disclosure, disclosure is the law in the united states, yes? How is the reality of your larger tools of 1.0mm, 1.1mm, 1.2mm,1.3mm a disclosure of trade secrets? The size of your large tools does not show us a picture of your tool or a method of how to extract a graft. We all know that FUE and all of its derivitives equate to using a circular punch of an (X) milimeter diameter. Not answering a simple question is the crux of why you see a repeat of history when people become curious about large tools. On one hand you have 99% of FUE clinics that use micro-punch (0.75mm-1.0mm) technology. Then there is a clinic that will not say what they use for punch size. On the flip side, if your record 2 million grafts extracted was equal to 2 million number of grafts growing, then even my inquiries would subside. But this is not the case for your clinic or any clinic for that matter. No clinic can claim as you have to be the best of the best. And especially when there are so many inconsistencies in this thread alone.

  5. You said, "I note that you have already sent an official invite to physicians on this forum to denounce previously stated fact and have recieved only silence in return. You are more than welcome to find out more info about this clinic by scheduling an in-person consultation."
    This is completely a tactic of twisting the words. And I feel ashamed to have to show the public what you are doing here. YOU said, “Any physician can confirm the previous statements.” This was the pinnicle statement that invited any physician to engage in confirming the alleged 0.75mm punch discovery by your clinic. My invitation was to agree that it would be important of an outside clinic or physician to please confirm to us what you say. And here it is important to say that CLEARLY you are quick to “spit” out the punch size of 0.75mm but nothing else. Why?

  6. I have only one other point to say which may in fact be difficult for you to argue. And I am sure you will agree since this quote is within this very thread and comes from your own patient. nthmainneighbor said today,
    "… my first three surgeries, so for my last I mentioned the punch size controversey and that I thought it was B.S. I gave my consent to use a large punch on my legs to grab some of the “threes”. I don’t know if the doctor needed to but there aren’t any visible scars 8 months down the road.

So it is even more compelling that your own patient admits giving consent to you to use a large punch. So can you (with all due respect) PLEASE answer the questions asked of you and no other deflections, links, diversions, twists of words.

Also read my story on here and you will see i`m extremely happy with my last HT.

Thank you

Bigmac

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» » Hairsite,
» »
» » I have never asked about turn down rates however thank you.I know all
» » ethical doctors turn away patients for whatever reasons.
»
» Bigmac,
»
» who did your FUE in the past and do you promote a clinic? I am 22 and
» wasn’t turned down for surgery. Should I be worried?

nwone

Read my story posted in this section,i have no interest in promoting any clinic or any procedure.What makes you think i promote a clinic as i`ve not once mentioned it in this thread or have said X is better than Y.
I like the truth and statements to be backed up with proof/fact.

22 and should you be worried,not sure give me a link to your story and i`ll give you my honest non medical opinion.

If you dont want to look my story up it was a greek fue clinic who offer a no touch technique where i went.Bad choice on my behalf.

Thanks

Bigmac.

55

» FIT and CIT are our proprietary methods of hair transplantation. No one
» else has our technology. We have performed over 1 million grafts and over
» 1000 surgeries with FIT. There are those who claim to perform FIT; they
» don’t. In order to separate ourselves even further, we’ve advanced the
» technology even further and we now call it CIT. It is important to
» recognize that we have more results than any other clinic out there who
» claims to perform FUE. Furthermore, our results are ones you can magnify
» and see whereas others post photos that hide the lack of a result. In
» reality, there is CIT and not quite CIT. They call this inferior procedure
» FUE.
»
» Some techniques of FUE are highly inefficient and produce a low yield with
» a high rate of follicle injury. Our technique and instruments are
» proprietary and produce the highest quality result with the lowest risk of
» follicle injury.
»
»

764_image183.jpg450×900

while the work is technically good, the guy just exchanged a ‘balding’ look for a ‘receding hairline’ look.

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»
» If you dont want to look my story up it was a greek fue clinic who offer a
» no touch technique where i went.Bad choice on my behalf.
»
» Thanks
»
» Bigmac.

I guess it must be DHI, I remember seeing that on their website before. What does “no touch” mean anyway? They use robots to do the hair transplant? :slight_smile:

57

Craig
I think they use the teleport device off Star trek.

58

There is nothing wrong with that. I am in my late 40s, I want a receding look and nothing more.

59

» Dr Cole/ Cit
»
»
» I am very happy for any patient who feels that their quality of life is
» better as a result of surgery. Here is the huge problem. You have been
» discussing select components of your “secret” surgery. You disclose the
» parts that will appeal to casual lay-readers. But when asked the hard
» questions you hide behind the “trade secret” excuse. Believe me if and when
» you state the frequency with which you use your 1.1mm punch, your 1.2mm
» punch, and your 1.3mm punch no doctor in my opinion will follow suit with
» todats advancements in fue. Still, you do not state the frequency with
» which you use your 1.1 mm punches, your 1.2 mm punches, and your 1.3mm
» punches.
»
»
» This displays a tenancy on your part to filter information. Information
» that serves you is pasted across the net. Information that does not serve
» you is hidden, stifled or called a “trade secret.” Given this trend, you
» can see how my happiness for satisfied patients does not translate to
» happiness for your patients. Why, Because if you are willing to flaunt your
» extremely limited use of the .75mm punch and at the same time guard your
» use of your 1.1mm punch, your 1.2mm punch, and your 1.3mm punch, you might
» be doing the same thing with your photos. That is to say again, you flaunt
» your good results and hide your other results. These results are in a way
» little “trade secrets” too. I dare say I am concerned for some patients as
» of the 2 million grafts you claim to have extracted.I imagine we have seen
» far less than even 5% in your marketing material. So we do not know what
» goes on really. We only know that you filter information.
»
»

Bigmac, if you have been around long enough, you will know that we (patients) are on a need-to-know basis :slight_smile: doctors never tell us the whole story, even the pricing is a secret for heaven’s sake! Give it up already, there is not one doctor in the forum who will freely disclose his technique. I have learn to accept that finally, besides punch size is irrelevant, the truth is in the results.

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» CIT,
»
» Good morning. This is a nice debate. I will humour the continued
» deflections and denials of my unanswered questions by a point by point
» quoting of you. Then I will emphatically prove that you are trying to
» divert attention to other issues that were never asked of you.
»
» 1. You said, “I am unsure that you are satisfied with your previous hair
» transplants and frankly I wish you the best.”
» Thank you but my inquiries to you have nothing to do with me. This is a
» diversion tactic in my opinion.
»
» 2. You said, “You should definitely continue with your questions about the
» specifics of our procedure. I do think that being a HT therapist is a
» costly occupation.”
» I have continued asking the same questions and you do not answer one of
» them. The second sentence makes no sense. Probably a posting diversion
» style in the realm of “say anything to confuse them.”
»
» 3. You said, “You may also have the option to choose CIT if your donor
» area hasn’t been over-harvested. Also, Strip may not be in your best
» interests in the next 5+ years.”
» Again, I asked you questions and again this is not about my personal
» transplants. In my opinion this is deflection posting.
»
» 4. You said, “Today, we had another patient turned down for surgery, but
» maybe you would like to know if you can have more surgery. With many
» unknowns about your present state, it is difficult to know whether or not
» you may obtain an actual CIT result to post.”
» I never asked questions concerning your turning people down. Again I asked
» simple questions related to your services which have have never been
» answered. Disclosure, disclosure, disclosure is the law in the united
» states, yes? How is the reality of your larger tools of 1.0mm, 1.1mm,
» 1.2mm,1.3mm a disclosure of trade secrets? The size of your large tools
» does not show us a picture of your tool or a method of how to extract a
» graft. We all know that FUE and all of its derivitives equate to using a
» circular punch of an (X) milimeter diameter. Not answering a simple
» question is the crux of why you see a repeat of history when people become
» curious about large tools. On one hand you have 99% of FUE clinics that use
» micro-punch (0.75mm-1.0mm) technology. Then there is a clinic that will not
» say what they use for punch size. On the flip side, if your record 2
» million grafts extracted was equal to 2 million number of grafts growing,
» then even my inquiries would subside. But this is not the case for your
» clinic or any clinic for that matter. No clinic can claim as you have to be
» the best of the best. And especially when there are so many inconsistencies
» in this thread alone.
»
» 5. You said, “I note that you have already sent an official invite to
» physicians on this forum to denounce previously stated fact and have
» recieved only silence in return. You are more than welcome to find out more
» info about this clinic by scheduling an in-person consultation.”
» This is completely a tactic of twisting the words. And I feel ashamed to
» have to show the public what you are doing here. YOU said, “Any physician
» can confirm the previous statements.” This was the pinnicle statement that
» invited any physician to engage in confirming the alleged 0.75mm punch
» discovery by your clinic. My invitation was to agree that it would be
» important of an outside clinic or physician to please confirm to us what
» you say. And here it is important to say that CLEARLY you are quick to
» “spit” out the punch size of 0.75mm but nothing else. Why?
»
» 6. I have only one other point to say which may in fact be difficult for
» you to argue. And I am sure you will agree since this quote is within this
» very thread and comes from your own patient. nthmainneighbor said today,
»
» "… my first three surgeries, so for my last I mentioned the punch size
» controversey and that I thought it was B.S. I gave my consent to use a
» large punch on my legs to grab some of the “threes”. I don’t know if the
» doctor needed to but there aren’t any visible scars 8 months down the
» road.
»
» So it is even more compelling that your own patient admits giving consent
» to you to use a large punch. So can you (with all due respect) PLEASE
» answer the questions asked of you and no other deflections, links,
» diversions, twists of words.
»
» Also read my story on here and you will see i`m extremely happy with my
» last HT.
»
» Thank you
»
» Bigmac

Let me first begin by saying you will not get specific information on our trade secrets. I myself can’t legally disclose this secret information. It would be in your best interests to prove your specific information regarding our devices rather than assuming you have any knowledge of our methods of extraction. You do know what happens when you assume, right?

Surely a clinic can claim to be the best but there can only be one. This fact is debatable and everyone does have an opinon. We just happen to have the best track record and largest population of satified patients. I have shown you the repairs, I have explained the inability to disclose trade secrets, and our patients have no clue of what tools or what tool size we use. We are a few steps ahead of the patients and employee knowledge as we create systems that only licensees can understand. He now published more hair transplant in this forum than any other U.S. doctor.

I will now offer you a complimentary consultation and you may ask your questions directly to Dr. Cole himself rather than assume you have substantiated information. At that time,You may want a procedure accompished by Dr. Cole after hearing it from the horse’s mouth.