Dr. Nigam, I want to first say that I think you must be a real doctor to have other famous scientists paying attention to you and doing some collaboration with you. You’re also gaining quite a bit of fame in your local area and if you weren’t a real doctor that would have been made public before now. I can’t imagine that you’re not a real doctor. In any case, I’m satisfied that you’re definitely doing serious experimental work and I’m sorry if my initial musings about the issue led you to believe I felt otherwise. I was trying to get other people’s opinions on the matter since the issue had come up.
On the issue of HM (cells only) I’m wondering if you have done any patients yet where you give the cell injection treatment throughout the scalp on one date but then on later date(s) repeat that same treatment fully???
You see, we are trying to find out if the treatment is more effective if the treatment is repeated multiple times. I’m not sure if I would want 3d cultures or not because 3d cultures means to inject whole lab-grown follicles into the balding area and I for one might want to avoid that because maybe the skin could get cluttered up inside with a bunch of follicles and some of these follicles could be mangled up quite a bit from being injected and bouncing off of indigenous follicles and other things inside the skin. It just seems like injecting entire follicles could result in some wreckage and a bit of a junkyard inside the skin.
Some of us would prefer only cells injected into the skin. And since one cellular treatment is not giving a full head of hair I think it would be best to do the cell treatment and then two weeks later do the entire cell treatment again and then two weeks after that do it again and then two weeks after that do it again. This way there would be a total of 4 different appointments and at each appointment the patient would get the full cellular injection treatment. The treatments would be 2 weeks apart. This would tell us if more cellular treatments would produce better results. Also, I think you would want to do each cellular treatment appointment at least one week apart but I think that 2 weeks apart would be better.
What do you think about this?
And perhaps some growth factors injected each time too just to make the scalp environment more conducive to hair growth with the new cells injected.
Maybe the treatment dates should be one month apart instead of 2 weeks apart for multiple treatment dates. You don’t want the treatment dates so close that they merge and merely behave like one long treatment with breaks in-between. You want it to behave like follow-up treatments so I think better 4 treatment dates one month apart would be better.
Jarjar,
I have not yet… tried multiple treatment injections.
Though it makes sense.
The protocol for multiple injections, can be customized as per patients convenience…
1)Autologous hair stemcells/progenitor cells takes minimum 5/6 weeks to multiply to a therapeutic dose.
After 6 weeks, we take 75% of these cells and leave the rest 25% for further passages to multiply.The next injection is ready by next 6 weeks and survives max 16 weeks, if patient wants to take it later.
2)Regards cultured dp cells…same is the case.
3)Regards growth factors,one can use topicals with a regime and one need not visit separately for growth factors, as it can be given simultaneously with the hm injections.
Boldy/wesley got great healing after growth factors…will post his photos later.
Yes 4 treatments in those who want multiple treatments, with a gap of 1month to 2 months would be fine…
[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by jarjarbinx[/postedby]
Maybe the treatment dates should be one month apart instead of 2 weeks apart for multiple treatment dates. You don’t want the treatment dates so close that they merge and merely behave like one long treatment with breaks in-between. You want it to behave like follow-up treatments so I think better 4 treatment dates one month apart would be better.[/quote]
Dr. Nigam the cell transplant treatment needs to be tried with multiple treatments 1 - 2 months apart like you said. Six to 8 weeks would be fine. It should be attempted.
[quote]Jarjar,
I have not yet… tried multiple treatment injections.
Though it makes sense.
The protocol for multiple injections, can be customized as per patients convenience…
1)Autologous hair stemcells/progenitor cells takes minimum 5/6 weeks to multiply to a therapeutic dose.
After 6 weeks, we take 75% of these cells and leave the rest 25% for further passages to multiply.The next injection is ready by next 6 weeks and survives max 16 weeks, if patient wants to take it later.
2)Regards cultured dp cells…same is the case.
3)Regards growth factors,one can use topicals with a regime and one need not visit separately for growth factors, as it can be given simultaneously with the hm injections.
Boldy/wesley got great healing after growth factors…will post his photos later.
Yes 4 treatments in those who want multiple treatments, with a gap of 1month to 2 months would be fine…
[postedby]Originally Posted by jarjarbinx[/postedby]
Maybe the treatment dates should be one month apart instead of 2 weeks apart for multiple treatment dates. You don’t want the treatment dates so close that they merge and merely behave like one long treatment with breaks in-between. You want it to behave like follow-up treatments so I think better 4 treatment dates one month apart would be better.
[postedby]Originally Posted by drnigam[/postedby][/quote]
I think repeat cellular HM treatments with growth factors every 6 - 8 weeks is worth trying Dr. Nigam. You should test this I think.
[quote]Jarjar,
I have not yet… tried multiple treatment injections.
Though it makes sense.
The protocol for multiple injections, can be customized as per patients convenience…
1)Autologous hair stemcells/progenitor cells takes minimum 5/6 weeks to multiply to a therapeutic dose.
After 6 weeks, we take 75% of these cells and leave the rest 25% for further passages to multiply.The next injection is ready by next 6 weeks and survives max 16 weeks, if patient wants to take it later.
2)Regards cultured dp cells…same is the case.
3)Regards growth factors,one can use topicals with a regime and one need not visit separately for growth factors, as it can be given simultaneously with the hm injections.
Boldy/wesley got great healing after growth factors…will post his photos later.
Yes 4 treatments in those who want multiple treatments, with a gap of 1month to 2 months would be fine…
[postedby]Originally Posted by jarjarbinx[/postedby]
Maybe the treatment dates should be one month apart instead of 2 weeks apart for multiple treatment dates. You don’t want the treatment dates so close that they merge and merely behave like one long treatment with breaks in-between. You want it to behave like follow-up treatments so I think better 4 treatment dates one month apart would be better.
[postedby]Originally Posted by drnigam[/postedby][/quote]
Dr. Nigam it does seem to me that you should as soon as possible try doing cellular HM only treatment and then do more follow up treatment of the same kind at 3 or 4 more appointments after the first treatment. I really don’t understand why you have not tried this yet.
You would do the first treatment and then multiple follow-up appointments and at each appointment that patient would be given the full HM treatment and that could improve the amount of hair growth.
Like I already said it does seem like you would be curious if repeat treatments like this would result in better hair growth.
If repeat injections are a laughable idea then why did ARI test it? And I’m sure that if ARI’s repeat injection tests prove more effective then a single injection date you will blab on about what a good idea repeat injections are because…
…you’re a blowhard.
And staying in India for months is not the only way to get repeat treatments because you could also simply make repeat trips to India. Or will your mommy only let you fly to India once per year.
You’d go to India for about 3 or 4 days each time and you’d stay in a hotel each time. What is so hard to figure out about it? Of course it would be nice if Dr. Nigam had a clinic in the Caribbean but he doesn’t.
Because you have insufficient funds to pay the price of hotel lodging does not mean we all are in such piteous financial condition. Do not seek accommodations for me on Dr. Nigam’s couch because I like privacy and besides if I sleep on Dr. Nigam’s couch then that would leave your pitiful self out on the street. Were I to travel India I will pay for a hotel room, which will leave Dr. Nigam’s couch available for you to scrounge for yourself.
[quote][postedby]Originally Posted by needhairasap[/postedby]
lol, believe it or not jarjar, not everyone lives in their moms basement. So, rather, it is my job that would not allow me to do so, and my logic.
I believe that a couch would be suitable, even if it doesn’t pull out. Dr. Nigam, could this be provided for young jarjar? Jarjar, is this acceptable?
I say we start with weekly injections-- possibly bi-weekly[/quote]
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