Dr Gho has apparently changed the game

Hair Transplant
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» Dr. Woods,
»
» With all due respect (and I do sincerely respect your clinic and your
» efforts in pioneering FUE) we asked for your expertise, not your wit.
»
» If Dr. Gho is so dumb, you should have no problem scientifically refuting
» his outrageous claims. This discussion was supposed to be scientific, but
» it is quickly becoming childish.
»
» We all want a solution for our hair loss. Dr. Gho purportedly has one.
» Everyone on this board is skeptical, but our skepticism is not sufficient
» to disprove his technique.
»
» Because you are well-respected in this industry could you:
»
» 1) Contact Dr. Gho, explain your concerns, and see how he responds?
»
» -or-
»
» 2) Try the method, publish the results, and let the peer-review process
» take its course?
»
» Thanks.

I don’t need to refute the Gho study

It refutes itself

He claims to have a technique which turns 1 follicle into 2 and have and endless supply of donor…Probably one of the most incredible claims in medical history

And demonstrates ONE hair shaft to prove this after a 12 month study

Now try sending this study to any major research institute . And don’t forget the world media…where are they, by the way ???

On one hand, this is serious because so many are desperate

On the other, it is hilarious.

As for transecting follicles, during the 1990s the HT industry ridiculed me because they felt such an approach will mainly deliver transections, longitudinal and transverse.

And as EVERYONE had witnessed in their own clinics, from the very beginnings of the industry, from the 1960s till today, TRANSECTIONS CAUSE VERY POOR YIELD…PERIOD !

So no, I will NEVER deliberately transect follicles because Dr Gho made these outrageous claims…and as is evident to everyone, the study shows one hair as proof…go look at it again. It is on page one on this thread

If he showed true believable results, he would right now have news teams camped on his lawn and NATO/CIA/MULTINATIONAL PHARMACEUTICAL company helicopters hovering above his house. Unless the Russians or Chinese get to him first

I don’t mean to be witty, but can’t you see there is something funny/strange about this ??

And Imagination is important.
So is “keeping it real”

James Bond clings to the study photo of ONE hair shaft as proof…and it looks severely shaken, and stirred

Dr Ray Woods

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» If he showed true believable results, he would right now have news teams
» camped on his lawn and NATO/CIA/MULTINATIONAL PHARMACEUTICAL company
» helicopters hovering above his house. Unless the Russians or Chinese get to
» him first
»
» Dr Ray Woods

Ehm, are you really Dr Ray Woods? I mean THE Dr Ray Woods who is e.g. unable to count correct and who has troubles with understanding plain tables?

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»» And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, because they don’t know what
» they’re doing.” »

And Iron Man is now quoting scripture…he also said the following

Ehm, are you really Dr Ray Woods? I mean THE Dr Ray Woods who is e.g. unable to count correct and who has troubles with understanding plain tables? …

Just an aside iron man , but you seem to be constantly clearing your throat, “Ehm”…As a concerned physician I suggest you see an EAR NOSE THROAT specialist…you may have some iron filings stuck somewhere

But seriously, Let me state, emphatically, and sincerely, I am not suggesting Dr Gho fabricated any of this…for Dr Gho is an honourable man

The reason for the “frustration”, as skywalker put it, can be summed up in the following analogy

For decades,there are THOUSANDS of people who have seen or had close encounters with ELVIS

Lets make a scientific analysis. Let us produce tables and graphs, and schematic represenatations…he is very shy, secretive and elusive…NO CAMERAS, OR VIDEO …please respect the KINGS wishes

There should be many tables with complex data

One Table , on the horizontal axis, will describe what he is wearing . The columns will state, shirt, type and colour, pants, type and colour, jacket shoes etc.
On the verticle axis, the parameters , descriptions and incidence of each will be described

Another graph will describe place and time of contact

Another table will specify close encounter observations…ELVIS is now in his 70s…has he thinned ?? Is he going grey…is he using products ??

Those with this exclusive trust and access could use a digital micrometer to measure the shaft diameter of every thinning hair in that famous hair line, and MAKE A TABLE

We should have no problem putting together at least 10 tables and graphs which scientifically prove all aspects of ELVIS’ appearance and HAIR characteristics.

Now , we need to publish this in the most widely read "journals"in the world …PEOPLE,WHO, US, HELLO, GRAZIA, TRUTH, NEWS OF THE WORLD etc

Now, countless thousands, maybe millions around the world want to believe Elvis is alive

THIS PUBLIHED DATA , GRAPHS AND TABLES PROVES IT.

Some may be publicly sceptical and question the validity of the study

WOE IS THEM…gangs of torch bearing , pitchfork wielding ELVISITES will show no mercy to the BLASPHEMERS, who dare question PEOPLE, or WHO magazine

Run, because they will BURN your bungalow, STEAL your ferarri, and worst of all, drink your finest aged cognac from an OLD FRUIT JARI

(SONG LYRICS ARE NOT MY STRONG POINT)

To all of you who dare blaspheme…for godsake…there is only one protection…no, not mormon underwear….although that may work…??

You must wear, 24 hours a day , 7 days a week, 356 days a year and every year……

YOUR BLUE SUEDE SHOES

Thankyou very much

Dr Ray Woods

ps and do you know what is really ironic , if you want to read an article with any semblence of journalistic integrity and freedom of speech…read HUSTLER…just avert your eyes to the girlie pictures…which are wicked
But slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocents is OK…

Dr. Woods is located in AUSTRALIA and he is available to meet: YES
email hairsite@aol.com to arrange a meeting.

website: www.woodstechnique.com.au
email: drwoods@thewoodstechnique.com
Inventor & Pioneer: FUE & BHT Hair Transplant

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So, you aren’t going to replicate the technique then?

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Dear forum readers and fellow HT doctors,
I think this thread has run its course.

Let us summarize.
Dr. Gho has, apparently, come up with a technique that he feels can multiply hair.
He has published a paper to the same effect.
Now it is upto the other HT doctors to verify it/replicate it, in ways they see fit.
I am sure you will see results supporting or going against it in coming months.
However, I see no point in condemning or blindly supporting it (both being done on this thread) without actual verification of possibilities.
As to HT doctors not replying here, I think I speak for the majority when I say that it is not their place to comment without prior verification.

If there is any substance in this find, you shall find corraborative evidence from other doctors in the next 12 months.

When we first placed beard hair in scalp, there were naysayers. However, sustained photographic proof of a number of documented cases laid rest to all doubts and today, beard hair to scalp procedures are much more common.
Similarly, if there is truth in this study, results shall pour in.
Lets not vitiate the forum environment by needless recriminations.

Regards,
Dr. A

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» Dear forum readers and fellow HT doctors,
» I think this thread has run its course.
»
» Let us summarize.
» Dr. Gho has, apparently, come up with a technique that he feels can
» multiply hair.
» He has published a paper to the same effect.
» Now it is upto the other HT doctors to verify it/replicate it, in ways
» they see fit.
» I am sure you will see results supporting or going against it in coming
» months.
» However, I see no point in condemning or blindly supporting it (both being
» done on this thread) without actual verification of possibilities.
» As to HT doctors not replying here, I think I speak for the majority when
» I say that it is not their place to comment without prior verification.
»
» If there is any substance in this find, you shall find corraborative
» evidence from other doctors in the next 12 months.
»
» When we first placed beard hair in scalp, there were naysayers. However,
» sustained photographic proof of a number of documented cases laid rest to
» all doubts and today, beard hair to scalp procedures are much more common.
» Similarly, if there is truth in this study, results shall pour in.
» Lets not vitiate the forum environment by needless recriminations.
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A

Dr. A,

Very refreshing to hear a mature and smart response. Out of interest, will you yourself be testing or verifying Gho’s new procedure? And if so, how do you plan to get access to the equipment (thin extraction needles, growth solution, etc) that Gho uses?

I think I speak for the majority of readers when I say that we support you as an impartial and qualified judge.

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» Dear forum readers and fellow HT doctors,
» I think this thread has run its course.
»
» Let us summarize.
» Dr. Gho has, apparently, come up with a technique that he feels can
» multiply hair.
» He has published a paper to the same effect.
» Now it is upto the other HT doctors to verify it/replicate it, in ways
» they see fit.
» I am sure you will see results supporting or going against it in coming
» months.
» However, I see no point in condemning or blindly supporting it (both being
» done on this thread) without actual verification of possibilities.
» As to HT doctors not replying here, I think I speak for the majority when
» I say that it is not their place to comment without prior verification.
»
» If there is any substance in this find, you shall find corraborative
» evidence from other doctors in the next 12 months.
»
» When we first placed beard hair in scalp, there were naysayers. However,
» sustained photographic proof of a number of documented cases laid rest to
» all doubts and today, beard hair to scalp procedures are much more common.
» Similarly, if there is truth in this study, results shall pour in.
» Lets not vitiate the forum environment by needless recriminations.
»
» Regards,
» Dr. A

Dr. A, I am glad you speak up about Gho’s method. Gho has been doing this HST technique for at least 3-4 years and we haven’t yet seen any collaborative evidence from anyone, none whatsoever, what makes you think that waiting another 12 months would make a difference? This is not like the first time we heard about his supposedly innovative hair transplant technique.

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Wow, Dr. A.

Great post.

I wish you (and all of the other doctors trying to replicate this technique) the very best of luck in your endeavors. We look forward to your results so that we can finally put this debate to rest.

Thanks.

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» Wow, Dr. A.
»
» Great post.
»
» I wish you (and all of the other doctors trying to replicate this
» technique) the very best of luck in your endeavors. We look forward to your
» results so that we can finally put this debate to rest.
»
» Thanks.

Where did he say he will replicate the technique?

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He never explicitly stated that he would attempt to replicate the technique, but I figured that “now it is up to other hair transplant doctors…” included him. I could be wrong.

Dr. A? Are you going to try this?

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Dr. Gho has described in a peer-reviewed journal the exact details of how to perform his HST technique.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/09546630903359814

The full text version of this study describes every necessary aspect of how to replicate this technique right down to the ingredients in the special medium used and the specially developed wave-tipped needles.

The technique produces a mean multiplication rate of greater than 90%.

The point of this thread debate was whether or not there was substance to the above claims by Dr Gho and James Bond

HM will eventually occur. But it may take 12 months, 12 years , 120 years ,no one knows. But no one is doubting its eventual arrival

But Dr GHO Has stated unequivocally, that he has demonstrated a greater than 90% success rate in hair multiplication in his 12 month study.

And he has tables and graphs measuring each and every multiplied hair, done with a digital micrometer

And this is an INCREDIBLE, AMAZING , NOBEL PRIZE WINNING claim.

The whole point of the forum is for people to discuss debate, and learn

And the doctors here use the forum to inform and educate patients, but lets face it, it is an ADVERTISING tool, and more than often , shamelessly abused.

The Gho publication created fantastic excitement and hope

But you cannot believe everything you read. And every doctor knows, there are hundreds of thousands of published studies, and a good percentage are later found to be wrong, and discredited .

If the Gho study is wrong, it could have serious ramifications for patients with limited donor who put their faith in it.

From my own experience , and from knowledge going back 50 years, a very small percentage of transected follicles will re grow, but by and large, transection destroys donor PERIOD

But to state that transected follicles will not only re grow almost completely, but also MULTIPLY,( after a half hour soak in a solution), well you gotta take a closer look at the study.

I did so , and offered my humble opinion, and gave reasons why I came to my conclusions.

It is a completed published 12 month study.
Doctors need somewhere between 12 minutes to 12 hours to assess it and come to an opinion .

And it is important to do so , because as I stated, the ramifications could be serious .

HM will happen. But In my opinion , there is nothing in this study worthy of replication.

And today, with the internet , there are thousands of journals and anyone can publish anything.

If a doctor published a 12 month, well tabled and graphed study claiming that broken fingers will heal much more quickly if you slam them twice a day with a sledge hammer, there will be people out there demanding this be taken seriously and further studies done.

If there was tangible PROOF in the original study, sure, why not.
IN FACT IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE NOT TO DO IT…Orthopaedic Surgeons around the world should be slamming broken bones with sledge hammers…twice a day

Other doctors would immediately challenge the study, and they would not need another 12 months to think about it

Ultimately, the credibility of any forum depends upon the doctors critically analysing , debating and sifting through the vast amount of garbage that winds up on forums, and separating fact from fiction, while still hoping believing and working toward improvements

Otherwise, the forum is just an advertising magazine, full of shills and misinformation, allowing this industry another powerful tool in exploiting the desperate and the gullible.

Dr Ray Woods

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Did a quick search online - and can’t seem to find anything other than some GHO clinic in Prague (which Dr. Gho isn’t involved with) and older stuff relating to when he set up shop in Aruba.

Is he currently offering / performing the procedure described in the paper?

Anomaly

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Also - I remember a bunch of talk from other European HT surgeons saying that they had seen MANY Gho patients that had NO visible hair regeneration. Up to around 2008. Is this technique described in the study newer / better?

Sorry if this is mentioned in the full version of the study - I don’t have access.

Anomaly

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» Also - I remember a bunch of talk from other European HT surgeons saying
» that they had seen MANY Gho patients that had NO visible hair regeneration.
» Up to around 2008. Is this technique described in the study newer /
» better?
»
» Sorry if this is mentioned in the full version of the study - I don’t have
» access.
»
» Anomaly

Here’s a link to Dr Gho’s website,hope this helps

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it makes it very clear

Thankyou

Dr Ray Woods

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» it makes it very clear
»
» Thankyou
»
»
»
» Dr Ray Woods

I now it a sc*m.If it wasn’t I’d of been on a flight/ferry to holland.I’m in UK,so I’d get there in a few hours.
He raises his ugly head every now and again.

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» Interesting, this ads one more mystery: how come that Prohair team and dr.
» De Reys have achieved fantastic results using saline in the past?

That’s a great question. It’s because you are not transecting follicles. Since you transplant complete FU’s, they are more robust, and you can get away with using inexpensive soaking solutions.

Gho’s trick was to use his expertise in stem cell engineering to create a great soaking medium. This is part of how he got around the problems experienced with other HM researchers, such as Swinehart.

Fortunately, he details the ingredients in his study, so it would be extremely easy for a scientist of average skill to test his results for authenticity.

Here is the result of follicle bisection using saline solution:

"Dermatol Surg. 2001 Oct;27(10):868-72.
“Cloned” hairlines: the use of bisected hair follicles to create finer hairlines.

Swinehart JM.

Department of Dermatology, University of Colorado Health Science Center, Denver, Colorado, USA.
Abstract

BACKGROUND: One living hair follicle, if horizontally bisected in the proper location, can be induced to subsequently produce two growing follicles. Their unpredictable growth rate, often less than 50%, has limited their use on a large scale. Their resultant finer caliber, however, can be used to benefit patients undergoing hair replacement surgery. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether horizontally bisected hairs can be employed to create finer, feathered anterior and temporal hairlines. METHODS: Twenty autologous terminal donor hairs were bisected as closely as possible to the “bulge” area immediately inferior to the zone of attachment of the arrector pili muscle. The 20 hair “shafts” were implanted along the left hairline. Twenty “bulbs” were implanted along the right hairline. Growth was evaluated and tabulated 2.5-8 months after transplant surgery. The procedure has been performed on 14 patients to date. Follow-up has been obtained on six patients ranging in age from 29 to 57 years. RESULTS: Overall, patients exhibited 46% growth from hair “shafts” (upper portion) and 47% growth from “bulbs” (lower portion). These bisected hairs were finer in caliber (diameter) than the original donor hairs. CONCLUSION: Horizontally bisected donor hairs can be implanted to create finer hairlines than otherwise would be expected from the theory of donor dominance. Further study is necessary in order to evaluate long-term success and additional applications of this technique."

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» Otherwise, the forum is just an advertising magazine, full of shills and
» misinformation, allowing this industry another powerful tool in exploiting
» the desperate and the gullible.

Are we talking about a 2 for 1 technique or transplanting pubic hair in your scalp, because both sound rather incredulous as cures for baldness.

Then again, maybe one or both techniques actually works. As Einstein said, “Imagination is more important than knowledge.” He also said, “Never lose a holy curiosity.”

Unfortunately, with age comes loss of neural plasticity. Einstein is said to have wasted the last years of his life working on a theory he couldn’t resolve. Fortunately, by age 26, he had published several of the most important papers in physics to date.

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Einstein also said " God Doesn’t play dice…"

Quote him all you like, but I think Harry Potter is more appropriate in your arguments

Here is the result of follicle bisection using saline solution:

Hey , dude, live and let live…if you are a fan of “bisectionalism”, thats your business

Even if you support transectual bisectionalism…whatever, thats cool

But so far you have ONLY TALKED THE TALK…and thats what this thread is about

Until you WALK THE WALK, then its just tables graphs and more talk

So get a wiggle in your walk and hustle up some real evidence…And then Amsterdam will need more red lights bulbs than it has now, because there will be a line stretching back to Santa Monica :smiley:

Dr Ray Woods

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Dr. Woods,

I agree that ALOT more proof is needed to substantiate Dr. Gho’s claims.

However, what is your opinion about the time-series photographs that depicted donor regrowth over a 1 month period?

I thought it looked pretty remarkable.