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Do we know follica will start human trails?


#1

i am wonder when we see some human trails from follica or give us any news at all


#2

» i am wonder when we see some human trails from follica or give us any news
» at all

I don’t think so. I’m not even sure follica knows what their own product really consists of yet. So they’re extracting stuff from cells and putting it into some kind of composite. Big whoop, as they say. They haven’t tested it yet and don’t even know if it’ll work. This is the purest form of speculation.

I think Aderans is much closer - they are in serious trials right now.


#3

» » i am wonder when we see some human trails from follica or give us any
» news
» » at all
»
» I don’t think so. I’m not even sure follica knows what their own product
» really consists of yet. So they’re extracting stuff from cells and putting
» it into some kind of composite. Big whoop, as they say. They haven’t
» tested it yet and don’t even know if it’ll work. This is the purest form
» of speculation.
»
» I think Aderans is much closer - they are in serious trials right now.

This. I’d expected Follica to be farther along by now. I don’t think it bodes well that they are taking this much time. I was bullish on Follica, but their relative lack of progress is concerning.


#4

» » » i am wonder when we see some human trails from follica or give us any
» » news
» » » at all
» »
» » I don’t think so. I’m not even sure follica knows what their own
» product
» » really consists of yet. So they’re extracting stuff from cells and
» putting
» » it into some kind of composite. Big whoop, as they say. They haven’t
» » tested it yet and don’t even know if it’ll work. This is the purest
» form
» » of speculation.
» »
» » I think Aderans is much closer - they are in serious trials right now.
»
» This. I’d expected Follica to be farther along by now. I don’t think it
» bodes well that they are taking this much time. I was bullish on Follica,
» but their relative lack of progress is concerning.
Can someone update me on what Aderans approach is? Were there any results to their phase I trials? Thanks.


#5

Very complicated?


#6

Lack of news doesn’t mean lack of progress.

Check out Solace Pharmaceuticals. It is a somewhat sister company to follica. It hired a CEO then two years later was in phase 2. During that time, the companny had no news releases.


#7

you have no idea what you are talking about and you are a tool. that is not speculation.


#8

» Lack of news doesn’t mean lack of progress.
»
» Check out Solace Pharmaceuticals. It is a somewhat sister company to
» follica. It hired a CEO then two years later was in phase 2. During that
» time, the companny had no news releases.

What kind of “news” is this?

How is this of any help to people interested in treatments for HAIR LOSS?

Solace is a company that is involved in treatments for pain.

Just because they may have had phase 2 trials for something else two years ago, doesn’t mean there is any real progress being made on follica.

The follica people aren’t even sure if their own treatment works.


#9

» you have no idea what you are talking about and you are a tool. that is
» not speculation.

I don’t think you have much idea either. And you could be a tool too. In fact, we are all tools.


#10

» » Lack of news doesn’t mean lack of progress.
» »
» » Check out Solace Pharmaceuticals. It is a somewhat sister company to
» » follica. It hired a CEO then two years later was in phase 2. During
» that
» » time, the companny had no news releases.
»
» What kind of “news” is this?
»
» How is this of any help to people interested in treatments for HAIR LOSS?
»
» Solace is a company that is involved in treatments for pain.
»
» Just because they may have had phase 2 trials for something else two years
» ago, doesn’t mean there is any real progress being made on follica.
»
» The follica people aren’t even sure if their own treatment works.

My god do you even bother to read his post?

He said that no news doesnt mean that the company is failing.

They hired a CEO and progressed to phase II trial without a news report in the middle.

Same thing might going on for Follica hair treatment. They may have entered phase I trial and havent reported it. I dont know but you dont know either. You are the purest form of speculation, only you present it as facts…stor trolling


#11

» » you have no idea what you are talking about and you are a tool. that is
» » not speculation.
»
» I don’t think you have much idea either. And you could be a tool too. In
» fact, we are all tools.

I never said I was not a tool, but by reading the contents and timing of your posts, I don’t think I am as big as a tool as you. And I know I am as big as a tool as roger that.

Now regarding what roger that posted. Anybody that has ever done any type of research on what follica is doing knows that what roger that post is not true. Not sure where he got the extracting from cells part. And I am pretty sure they know what they are doing. It has been tested on human skin on a mouse.

They are taking on hair loss from multiple angles, which is why I FEEL they have the best chance of being successful. I don’t THINK they solution will be permanent. I just THINK it can yield very good cosmetic results, but will have to be maintained through fin or treatments every so often. But that is pure speculation on my part. I am not trying to pass that on as fact as roger that does.


#12

When you test on a mouse, with a human-skin patch, this is an immuno-deficient mouse, (to avoid rejection of the human skin grafted on the mouse) and thus:

  1. No immune system attacking the newborn follicles. Easy environment for them.
  2. The follicles are influenced by the mouse’s blood, hormones, etc. not human blood, hormones, etc.

As you see, the conditions are quite different.
Thus, the results you will get on a real human will be quite different too.

In the mouse with a human skin patch, hair grows quite easily. On a human, its not so easy.

Companies test on these mice because they are cheap. Its better than nothing.
ARI has also tested on little pigs because these are closer to humans. But pigs are more expensive.
But the real test is testing on humans. Human trials.

Follica was going to do a “proof of concept” trial on humans, very quick they said, but then they got silent. What happened? I smell failure.

» » » you have no idea what you are talking about and you are a tool. that
» is
» » » not speculation.
» »
» » I don’t think you have much idea either. And you could be a tool too.
» In
» » fact, we are all tools.
»
» I never said I was not a tool, but by reading the contents and timing of
» your posts, I don’t think I am as big as a tool as you. And I know I am as
» big as a tool as roger that.
»
» Now regarding what roger that posted. Anybody that has ever done any type
» of research on what follica is doing knows that what roger that post is not
» true. Not sure where he got the extracting from cells part. And I am
» pretty sure they know what they are doing. It has been tested on human
» skin on a mouse.
»
» They are taking on hair loss from multiple angles, which is why I FEEL
» they have the best chance of being successful. I don’t THINK they solution
» will be permanent. I just THINK it can yield very good cosmetic results,
» but will have to be maintained through fin or treatments every so often.
» But that is pure speculation on my part. I am not trying to pass that on
» as fact as roger that does.


#13

You just proved my point in more detail. All I was doing was pointing out that roger that made inaccurate remarks that he is trying to make as facts. He made a statement that follica is just a bunch of people off the street that are just randomly trying to fix hairloss.

Now you may think they are a failure, but then again you seem to be a negative person. I on the other hand tend to be of a positive person. I see them hiring a CEO and expanding lab space in a second city as signs that they are moving forward. Histogen just proved the Wnt thing has potential to be successful.


#14

» You just proved my point in more detail. All I was doing was pointing out
» that roger that made inaccurate remarks that he is trying to make as facts.
» He made a statement that follica is just a bunch of people off the street
» that are just randomly trying to fix hairloss.
»
» Now you may think they are a failure, but then again you seem to be a
» negative person. I on the other hand tend to be of a positive person. I
» see them hiring a CEO and expanding lab space in a second city as signs
» that they are moving forward. Histogen just proved the Wnt thing has
» potential to be successful.

Yeah for a company that has failed they sure do seem to quietly be adding higher-end staff and expanding operations.

Lets consider the opposite – they’ve had some success behind the scenes. Maybe not a perfect solution, but it does look like it will work in humans to some degree.

If I were running that company I wouldn’t utter a peep either, because it could certainly cause a bunch of other companies to try and copy/rip-off/one up your product. In fact, I’d say it almost certainly would.

I’m not saying anything definitively, since we really don’t know either way, but that is a two way street.


#15

Roger is a blatant troll selling Dr. Rassman’s HTs. No point weighing anything he says very strongly.


#16

Yea, I don’t really know how serious follica is about getting hair cloning up and going. I think they are far behind companies like intercyntex. I’ve heard that intercyntex is working extremely hard at this.


#17

» Roger is a blatant troll selling Dr. Rassman’s HTs. No point weighing
» anything he says very strongly.

I do understand roger’s scepticism towards Follica.
I don’t understand how people react, crusading against any hint of negativity in this forum.
These persons are quite childish, they might think that their wishful thinking is somehow helping to bring us a cure, but instead, they are helping a bunch of charlatans to find easy advertising in the forum. I don’t know if this is the case of Follica, but could be.


#18

» » Roger is a blatant troll selling Dr. Rassman’s HTs. No point weighing
» » anything he says very strongly.
»
» I do understand roger’s scepticism towards Follica.
» I don’t understand how people react, crusading against any hint of
» negativity in this forum.
» These persons are quite childish, they might think that their wishful
» thinking is somehow helping to bring us a cure, but instead, they are
» helping a bunch of charlatans to find easy advertising in the forum. I
» don’t know if this is the case of Follica, but could be.

it wasn’t that it was scepticism. it is because he was speculating that follica was just speculation. If you’re going to back up anything with fact at least make it the claim that accuses someone of else of not backing up what they say.


#19

» Yea, I don’t really know how serious follica is about getting hair cloning
» up and going. I think they are far behind companies like intercyntex. I’ve
» heard that intercyntex is working extremely hard at this.

yeah, intercyntex kicks ass!! :smiley:


#20

» » Yea, I don’t really know how serious follica is about getting hair
» cloning
» » up and going. I think they are far behind companies like intercyntex.
» I’ve
» » heard that intercyntex is working extremely hard at this.
»
» yeah, intercyntex kicks ass!! :smiley:

Hahaha… Eurohair1621 seems well informed. :slight_smile: