Do HT people know the truth about HM?

Stem cell; cell based hair therapy
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As my first post, I’ve been studying HM and its possibilities. I don’t think the 1st version should it come out make an NW7 an NW1 but maybe an NW3.

But there are some people who make it seem like it will be here in a millennium. Some people are really quite confident it won’t be out soon. I then saw these people also advised others to get transplants or wigs. I may be crazy, but could it that the HT people are right after all?

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The problem is that nobody really knows the truth about hair multiplication. The concept has validity, but the researchers aren’t talking, and for all we know the aesthetics may be un acceptable, it may be inconsistant, prone to tumors, high costs, lengthy approval timelines or problamatic protocols.
We all try to be optimistic, but the process seems to offer little more than hype and hope at this point. And who, in their right mind would jump in head first(literally)at this point. Maybe a few desperate souls with nothing to lose perhaps.
If this process was approved tomorrow I would wait at least five years to see the semi-long term results, before I took the plunge.
I don’t recommend transplants for anyone. Knowing what I know about the process of hair restoration I think acceptance of a naturally balding condition is quite acceptable. For those that have already exposed themselves to the limitations of transplants, I suppose the thought of hair multiplication offers some relief. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

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» The problem is that nobody really knows the truth about hair
» multiplication. The concept has validity, but the researchers aren’t
» talking, and for all we know the aesthetics may be un acceptable, it may
» be inconsistant, prone to tumors, high costs, lengthy approval timelines
» or problamatic protocols.
» We all try to be optimistic, but the process seems to offer little more
» than hype and hope at this point. And who, in their right mind would jump
» in head first(literally)at this point. Maybe a few desperate souls with
» nothing to lose perhaps.
» If this process was approved tomorrow I would wait at least five years
» to see the semi-long term results, before I took the plunge.
» I don’t recommend transplants for anyone. Knowing what I know about the
» process of hair restoration I think acceptance of a naturally balding
» condition is quite acceptable. For those that have already exposed
» themselves to the limitations of transplants, I suppose the thought of
» hair multiplication offers some relief. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

The tumors is what scares me a bit. But I don’t like or trust the arrogant tone people make about it not being here until 60 years later on other boards. Granted, these people were promised it since the 80’s. It just was never a concern later when Rogaine and Propecia came out. I have faith in Intercytex.

I don’t believe the pessimists or the optimists about this procedure. I do keep my fingers crossed. I do think when it comes out, it’s going to change the world. When it does come out, I’m going to Europe to get this. I’m not waiting for this to come to the U.S.

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»» I don’t believe the pessimists or the optimists about this procedure. I do
» keep my fingers crossed.

that is a good attitude!

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» The tumors is what scares me a bit. But I don’t like or trust the arrogant
» tone people make about it not being here until 60 years later on other
» boards. Granted, these people were promised it since the 80’s. It just was
» never a concern later when Rogaine and Propecia came out. I have faith in
» Intercytex.
»
» I don’t believe the pessimists or the optimists about this procedure. I do
» keep my fingers crossed. I do think when it comes out, it’s going to change
» the world. When it does come out, I’m going to Europe to get this. I’m not
» waiting for this to come to the U.S.

i dont think anybody was promised HM in the 80’s. some HT’s look good if you have minimal thinning or recession. the rest to me are not worth the money.

some people have been waiting for HM since the late 90’s, but they haven’t been waiting for ICX since then and they pass that frustration onto this new waiting process. and then you have some people who are just ignorant and say HM wont be here until 2030 or whatever and because they dont know any better, lol.

you’ll notice people who say its 10, 15 or 30 years away will never have anything to base their opinions on and opinions are like assholes…everybody has one!

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If HM turns a NW7 into a NW3, it’s going to turn a NW7 into a NW1. Why? B/c the only way to do this is via follicular neogenesis – i.e., the generation of new hair follicles.

» As my first post, I’ve been studying HM and its possibilities. I don’t
» think the 1st version should it come out make an NW7 an NW1 but maybe an
» NW3.

The HT people are not “right after all”. The people who know about HM have been saying 5-10 years (roughly) ever since 2005 or so. IOW, we are only approaching the most optimistic projections right now (Washenik is the big exception in terms of this). And let’s suppose for a second tha the HT people are “right after all”. The only reason for this is b/c they’ve been too interested in short-term butchering for profit to create lovely Joe Biden clones to either invest the resources in HM that would lead to a cure.

» But there are some people who make it seem like it will be here in a
» millennium. Some people are really quite confident it won’t be out soon. I
» then saw these people also advised others to get transplants or wigs. I may
» be crazy, but could it that the HT people are right after all?

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» If HM turns a NW7 into a NW3, it’s going to turn a NW7 into a NW1. Why? B/c
» the only way to do this is via follicular neogenesis – i.e., the
» generation of new hair follicles.
»
The thing is, has the direction issue been solved?
»
» The HT people are not “right after all”. The people who know about HM have
» been saying 5-10 years (roughly) ever since 2005 or so. IOW, we are only
» approaching the most optimistic projections right now (Washenik is the big
» exception in terms of this). And let’s suppose for a second tha the HT
» people are “right after all”. The only reason for this is b/c they’ve been
» too interested in short-term butchering for profit to create lovely Joe
» Biden clones to either invest the resources in HM that would lead to a
» cure.
»
I never thought of it like that. I’ve been watching HM since 2005. Could you elaborate on your last sentence? I didn’t understand it.

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I mean that if HM fails to achieve success in a reasonable timeframe it will be (in part) because of a collective self-fulfilling prophecy by HT doctors. HT doctors don’t think (read: want) HM to work so they fail to use their expertise and prestige to further HM research or promote HM as a viable hair loss solution. Thus HM fails and the HT docs are “right after all”.

And let’s suppose for a second tha the HT
» » people are “right after all”. The only reason for this is b/c they’ve
» been
» » too interested in short-term butchering for profit to create lovely Joe
» » Biden clones to either invest the resources in HM that would lead to a
» » cure.
derstand it.

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» I mean that if HM fails to achieve success in a reasonable timeframe it
» will be (in part) because of a collective self-fulfilling prophecy by HT
» doctors. HT doctors don’t think (read: want) HM to work so they fail to
» use their expertise and prestige to further HM research or promote HM as a
» viable hair loss solution. Thus HM fails and the HT docs are “right after
» all”.
»
Good point. One poster I remember from another board was an assistant to a hair transplant doctor, he was rude about HM and arrogant saying it wouldn’t be out at all. Then common sense kicked in, HM is something that will eventually replace transplants. Would you expect HT doctors to be welcoming it with open arms? Hell No!

Intercytex sure is keeping quiet as well as Aderans. This is a race for the cure, I wonder who will win…

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» » I mean that if HM fails to achieve success in a reasonable timeframe it
» » will be (in part) because of a collective self-fulfilling prophecy by
» HT
» » doctors. HT doctors don’t think (read: want) HM to work so they fail to
» » use their expertise and prestige to further HM research or promote HM as
» a
» » viable hair loss solution. Thus HM fails and the HT docs are “right
» after
» » all”.
» »
» Good point. One poster I remember from another board was an assistant to a
» hair transplant doctor, he was rude about HM and arrogant saying it
» wouldn’t be out at all. Then common sense kicked in, HM is something that
» will eventually replace transplants. Would you expect HT doctors to be
» welcoming it with open arms? Hell No!
»
» Intercytex sure is keeping quiet as well as Aderans. This is a race for
» the cure, I wonder who will win…

it may be nice if they were racing but i doubt it. aderans is not even close right now. aderans most likely will be the company to come out with 2nd generation HM and capitalize on any areas where 1st generation HM falls short.

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» » The tumors is what scares me a bit. But I don’t like or trust the
» arrogant
» » tone people make about it not being here until 60 years later on other
» » boards. Granted, these people were promised it since the 80’s. It just
» was
» » never a concern later when Rogaine and Propecia came out. I have faith
» in
» » Intercytex.
» »
» » I don’t believe the pessimists or the optimists about this procedure. I
» do
» » keep my fingers crossed. I do think when it comes out, it’s going to
» change
» » the world. When it does come out, I’m going to Europe to get this. I’m
» not
» » waiting for this to come to the U.S.
»
» i dont think anybody was promised HM in the 80’s. some HT’s look good if
» you have minimal thinning or recession. the rest to me are not worth the
» money.
»
» some people have been waiting for HM since the late 90’s, but they haven’t
» been waiting for ICX since then and they pass that frustration onto this
» new waiting process. and then you have some people who are just ignorant
» and say HM wont be here until 2030 or whatever and because they dont know
» any better, lol.
»
» you’ll notice people who say its 10, 15 or 30 years away will never have
» anything to base their opinions on and opinions are like
» assholes…everybody has one!

there is something you can base it on! its science!

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» » » The tumors is what scares me a bit. But I don’t like or trust the
» » arrogant
» » » tone people make about it not being here until 60 years later on
» other
» » » boards. Granted, these people were promised it since the 80’s. It
» just
» » was
» » » never a concern later when Rogaine and Propecia came out. I have
» faith
» » in
» » » Intercytex.
» » »
» » » I don’t believe the pessimists or the optimists about this procedure.
» I
» » do
» » » keep my fingers crossed. I do think when it comes out, it’s going to
» » change
» » » the world. When it does come out, I’m going to Europe to get this.
» I’m
» » not
» » » waiting for this to come to the U.S.
» »
» » i dont think anybody was promised HM in the 80’s. some HT’s look good
» if
» » you have minimal thinning or recession. the rest to me are not worth
» the
» » money.
» »
» » some people have been waiting for HM since the late 90’s, but they
» haven’t
» » been waiting for ICX since then and they pass that frustration onto
» this
» » new waiting process. and then you have some people who are just
» ignorant
» » and say HM wont be here until 2030 or whatever and because they dont
» know
» » any better, lol.
» »
» » you’ll notice people who say its 10, 15 or 30 years away will never
» have
» » anything to base their opinions on and opinions are like
» » assholes…everybody has one!
»
» there is something you can base it on! its science!

True dat.

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» The problem is that nobody really knows the truth about hair
» multiplication. The concept has validity, but the researchers aren’t
» talking, and for all we know the aesthetics may be un acceptable, it may
» be inconsistant, prone to tumors, high costs, lengthy approval timelines
» or problamatic protocols.
» We all try to be optimistic, but the process seems to offer little more
» than hype and hope at this point. And who, in their right mind would jump
» in head first(literally)at this point. Maybe a few desperate souls with
» nothing to lose perhaps.
» If this process was approved tomorrow I would wait at least five years
» to see the semi-long term results, before I took the plunge.
» I don’t recommend transplants for anyone. Knowing what I know about the
» process of hair restoration I think acceptance of a naturally balding
» condition is quite acceptable. For those that have already exposed
» themselves to the limitations of transplants, I suppose the thought of
» hair multiplication offers some relief. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.

Its possible that it could be out soonish but i really doubt it. With all the test it has to go through and the price it will cost when it first comes out plus the time it will take to get to the general public, i see it being atleast 10-20 years.

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» » The problem is that nobody really knows the truth about hair
» » multiplication. The concept has validity, but the researchers aren’t
» » talking, and for all we know the aesthetics may be un acceptable, it
» may
» » be inconsistant, prone to tumors, high costs, lengthy approval
» timelines
» » or problamatic protocols.
» » We all try to be optimistic, but the process seems to offer little
» more
» » than hype and hope at this point. And who, in their right mind would
» jump
» » in head first(literally)at this point. Maybe a few desperate souls with
» » nothing to lose perhaps.
» » If this process was approved tomorrow I would wait at least five
» years
» » to see the semi-long term results, before I took the plunge.
» » I don’t recommend transplants for anyone. Knowing what I know about
» the
» » process of hair restoration I think acceptance of a naturally balding
» » condition is quite acceptable. For those that have already exposed
» » themselves to the limitations of transplants, I suppose the thought of
» » hair multiplication offers some relief. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
»
» Its possible that it could be out soonish but i really doubt it. With all
» the test it has to go through and the price it will cost when it first
» comes out plus the time it will take to get to the general public, i see
» it being atleast 10-20 years.

Maybe for the US thanks to the FDA and our President, but it will be in Europe first. May I ask the reason why 10-20 years? Intercytex is in Phase II you know.

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» » » I mean that if HM fails to achieve success in a reasonable timeframe
» it
» » » will be (in part) because of a collective self-fulfilling prophecy by
» » HT
» » » doctors. HT doctors don’t think (read: want) HM to work so they fail
» to
» » » use their expertise and prestige to further HM research or promote HM
» as
» » a
» » » viable hair loss solution. Thus HM fails and the HT docs are “right
» » after
» » » all”.
» » »
» » Good point. One poster I remember from another board was an assistant to
» a
» » hair transplant doctor, he was rude about HM and arrogant saying it
» » wouldn’t be out at all. Then common sense kicked in, HM is something
» that
» » will eventually replace transplants. Would you expect HT doctors to be
» » welcoming it with open arms? Hell No!
» »
» » Intercytex sure is keeping quiet as well as Aderans. This is a race for
» » the cure, I wonder who will win…
»
» it may be nice if they were racing but i doubt it. aderans is not even
» close right now. aderans most likely will be the company to come out with
» 2nd generation HM and capitalize on any areas where 1st generation HM
» falls short.

Nobody knows anything about Aderans. Your 2nd generation HM is only speculation. All we know they started phase I 15 months ago and they may already be in phase II as intercytex is, who knows??? Nobody on the board, nobody on the other hair boards, nobody knows…

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» » it may be nice if they were racing but i doubt it. aderans is not even
» » close right now. aderans most likely will be the company to come out
» with
» » 2nd generation HM and capitalize on any areas where 1st generation HM
» » falls short.
»
» Nobody knows anything about Aderans. Your 2nd generation HM is only
» speculation. All we know they started phase I 15 months ago and they may
» already be in phase II as intercytex is, who knows??? Nobody on the board,
» nobody on the other hair boards, nobody knows…

how’s this: based on the information that has been released we know aderans is NOT in phase 2 and ICX is halfway or almost finished phase 2. the notion they may be having secret phase 2 trials in a secret lab somewhere is bigger speculation then anything in this thread. my comment about them coming out with second generation HM was a guess and my opinion i thought that was obvious after when i used the word “doubt” which implies uncertainty. i see why people use disclaimers in their signature now. good idea.