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#1

Hi,
I have some questions (a little specifical, I think)
about hair cloning and current research.

I apologize for my english, I make my best to be
understandable.

Questions are not specific to a particular experimentation,
however answers can, so if you think an answer is valid
only for Aderans, Histogen, or Dr. John Doe, tell me.

First of all: experimentations are trying to get the
same purpose with different procedures or to get
different kind of hairs? (I explain: some time ago
doctors differs in which kind of cells it should
be used: it was only a pratical matter or even in
theory the hairs obtained should be different
because of the starting cells)

  1. Does hair cloning try to clone the hair in its
    entirely (i.e. with pili muscle and sebaceus gland) ?

  2. Actually, what are the current problems? i.e.:

  • An hair cannot be cloned
  • An hair can be cloned, but its life is short
  • An hair can be cloned, but it does not grow
    over a certain length
  • An hair can be cloned, but for 100 implanted
    only a few are succesfull
  • An hair can be cloned, but different results
    with different people
  • An hair can be cloned, but its diameter is not good
  • An hair can be cloned, but with poor quality
    (and in which sense?)
  • An hair can be cloned, but its direction cannot be
    controlled

It is obvious that there is a combination of all of
these, but I would like to know which of these
matters are more problematic than others.
Thanks,
Willy


#2

» »
» i am a trial patient for aderans. it’s been approximately 10 months since the injections were done. i have more hair on my scalp. the hair length, thickness, and direction seem to appear normal. i have no clue how long it will stay. at the moment i wish it appeared more dense because it definitely looks less thick than the rest of hair on the sides. the tatoos that were used to mark the location are visible. maybe more injections or a different formulation of the product are necessary to improve the physical appearance. since this is their first trials in the united states, hopefully results will improve with future trials. their plans are for two more separate trials in the future.
»


#3

None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning follicles”.

Aderans is multiplying some tissue cells harvested from the androgen-resistant areas of the scalp, and re-injecting them into the balding areas of the scalp to regrow hair. It is like injecting artificially grown follicle tissue from the back of the scalp to be a “seed” for a new follicle, and then letting the body finish the job of growing those follicles on its own. It should also give the newer hairs androgen resistance greater than the origianl balding hairs in that location because the donor “seed” tissue was harvested from the back of the scalp.

Histogen is using a simpler method. They are basically injecting some proteins (grown under specific conditions) back into the balding skin to make the follicles heal themselves. The mechanism takes advantage of what the body does to heal the skin after an injury. The body can already heal follicles and create new follicles after an scalp injury, but the body does not naturally do very much of this. Histogen artificially encourages more follicle repair and creation than you would naturally get from that process. It should produce hairs with very normal characteristics, but the androgen resistance of these new or repaired follicles is not known. They may be significantly better than the original hairs in the balding areas or they may not.


#4

» None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» follicles”.

BS …

http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2010/08/multiplication-of-hair-by-dividing-hair-stem-cells-is-it-possible/


#5

» » None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» » follicles”.
»
» BS …
»
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2010/08/multiplication-of-hair-by-dividing-hair-stem-cells-is-it-possible/

hey iron_man,

do you even read your own posts?

“I would like to believe claims of this kind, because I more than anyone understand the challenge of treating patients who do not have the adequate number of donor hairs for their ideal hair restoration. However, I would rather wait to see more significant scientific proofs to claims of this kind before I consider them as viable options for the treatment of patterned hair loss.”


#6

» » » None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» » » follicles”.
» »
» » BS …
» »
» »
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2010/08/multiplication-of-hair-by-dividing-hair-stem-cells-is-it-possible/
»
» hey iron_man,
»
» do you even read your own posts?

Hey proxy user hairman2,

Do you even read the blogs user comments in this context ?

Because with this comment/paragraph by Dr. Parsa Mohebi (US Hair Restoration, Dr. Rassman’s ex schoolboy) …

» “I would like to believe claims of this kind, because I more than anyone
» understand the challenge of treating patients who do not have the adequate
» number of donor hairs for their ideal hair restoration. However, I would
» rather wait to see more significant scientific proofs to claims of this
» kind before I consider them as viable options for the treatment of
» patterned hair loss.”

… he REALLY stepped into his own trap (besides until today - no further comments). And especially during the past few weeks some other Docs out there did the same intensely too! :smiley:


#7

» » » » None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» » » » follicles”.
» » »
» » » BS …
» » »
» » »
» »
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2010/08/multiplication-of-hair-by-dividing-hair-stem-cells-is-it-possible/
» »
» » hey iron_man,
» »
» » do you even read your own posts?
»
» Hey proxy user hairman2,
»
» Do you even read the blogs user comments in this context ?
»
» Because with this comment/paragraph by Dr. Parsa Mohebi (US Hair
» Restoration, Dr. Rassman’s ex schoolboy) …
»
» » “I would like to believe claims of this kind, because I more than
» anyone
» » understand the challenge of treating patients who do not have the
» adequate
» » number of donor hairs for their ideal hair restoration. However, I
» would
» » rather wait to see more significant scientific proofs to claims
» of this
» » kind before I consider them as viable options for the treatment
» of
» » patterned hair loss.”
»
» … he REALLY stepped into his own trap (besides until today - no further
» comments). And especially during the past few weeks some other Docs
» out there did the same intensely too! :smiley:

By the way …

Dr. Mohebi Says:
April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

You are welcome!
I don’t believe that hair multiplication (cloning) can be a threat to anyone. If you are in hair restoration industry, the biggest threat will be if people do not know what options are out there and do nothing.
We still don’t know much about the cost and the final appearance of hair, produced by hair multiplication techniques. I think not everyone is going to need hair multiplication (cloning).
Most people with hair loss still have a large number of normal hairs in their donor area that can produce great appearance considering the new techniques that we have available now. The patients who may need hair multiplication are the ones with violated donor or weak hair with extensive balding area.

Comment/Response Source:
http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2008/04/hair-cloning-hair-multiplication/

The red/bold part IS the reason why I’m here (and some other boards too):
Decent informing others about REAL (future) options out there. Actually, most guys here (and other boards) do the same. Maybe just in a different and individual kind, but actually, they all do the same. So for Dr. Mohebi, actually there has been no reason for apartly to mention this.

Anyway: And? Knows now Dr. Mohebi “what options are out there” or is HE “doing nothing” ?? :smiley:

Because on his website he claims:

“By using a modern medical approach and advanced surgical techniques, one of Dr. Mohebi’s goals is to reestablish a patient’s self-image and self-esteem. Dr. Mohebi and his experienced staff are highly committed to using proven techniques and the most technologically advanced devices.

Source: http://ushairrestoration.com/parsa-mohebi.php


#8

» » » » None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» » » » follicles”.
» » »
» » » BS …
» » »
» » »
» »
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2010/08/multiplication-of-hair-by-dividing-hair-stem-cells-is-it-possible/
» »
» » hey iron_man,
» »
» » do you even read your own posts?
»
» Hey proxy user hairman2,
»
» Do you even read the blogs user comments in this context ?
»
» Because with this comment/paragraph by Dr. Parsa Mohebi (US Hair
» Restoration, Dr. Rassman’s ex schoolboy) …
»
» » “I would like to believe claims of this kind, because I more than
» anyone
» » understand the challenge of treating patients who do not have the
» adequate
» » number of donor hairs for their ideal hair restoration. However, I
» would
» » rather wait to see more significant scientific proofs to claims
» of this
» » kind before I consider them as viable options for the treatment
» of
» » patterned hair loss.”
»
» … he REALLY stepped into his own trap (besides until today - no further
» comments). And especially during the past few weeks some other Docs
» out there did the same intensely too! :smiley:

The comment was written in August 2010, while the “proof” was provided in April 2010… So i presume the Author, albeit having reviewed paper, felt (as most people here do) that it is NOT sufficient proof. Nevertheless, i’ll grant you that it is something worth investigating further… so either the myth can be put to rest or the treatment can be used on a wider scale.


#9

» The comment was written in August 2010, while the “proof” was provided in
» April 2010… So i presume the Author, albeit having reviewed paper, felt
» (as most people here do) that it is NOT sufficient proof. Nevertheless,
» i’ll grant you that it is something worth investigating further… so
» either the myth can be put to rest or the treatment can be used on a wider
» scale.

No, he wasn’t aware of this study. I know this.

Anyway: Look what Dr. Mohebi wrote on September 9th, 2008:

"Few articles were presented on hair stem cell research and hair multiplication. However based on the presented evidences, there were no signs of an upcoming solution for hair multiplication or hair cloning any time soon.

One article [I guess he meant Dr. Gho’s] discussed an innovative method of hair graft harvesting that can produce more hair from an existing follicular unit. The result of this study, although interesting was very controversial among the experts and the author could not release the study details on the methodology to elucidate this matter."

http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2008/09/what-is-new-in-hair-restoration-surgery/

The RED part is essential: Because just “details on the methodology to elucidate”, is for most SERIOUS researchers enough “Proof of Concept”. In April 2010, now they could publish their “Proof of Concept” and all the “details on the methodology” of their concept … :wink:

That means, according to Dr. Parsa Mohebi, now IT IS up to others - especially for him, because of all his claims in the past. :smiley:


#10

» » The comment was written in August 2010, while the “proof” was provided
» in
» » April 2010… So i presume the Author, albeit having reviewed paper,
» felt
» » (as most people here do) that it is NOT sufficient proof. Nevertheless,
» » i’ll grant you that it is something worth investigating further… so
» » either the myth can be put to rest or the treatment can be used on a
» wider
» » scale.
»
» No, he wasn’t aware of this study. I know this.
»
» Anyway: Look what Dr. Mohebi wrote on September 9th, 2008:
» ----------------------------
» “Few articles were presented on hair stem cell research and hair
» multiplication. However based on the presented evidences, there were no
» signs of an upcoming solution for hair multiplication or hair cloning any
» time soon.
»
» One article [I guess he meant Dr. Gho’s] discussed an innovative method
» of hair graft harvesting that can produce more hair from an existing
» follicular unit.
The result of this study, although interesting was
» very controversial among the experts and the author could not release the
» study details on the methodology to elucidate
» this matter.”
»
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2008/09/what-is-new-in-hair-restoration-surgery/
»
» ----------------------------
»
» The RED part is essential: Because just “details on the methodology to
» elucidate”, is for most SERIOUS researchers enough “Proof of Concept”. In
» April 2010, now they could publish their “Proof of Concept” and all the
» “details on the methodology” of their concept … :wink:
» http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20388024
»
» That means, according to Dr. Parsa Mohebi, now IT IS up to others -
» especially for him, because of all his claims in the past. :smiley:

And I’m always right - because now I caught Dr. Mohebi’s teacher too …


Article ABSTRACT

Dr. Rassman: “In digging a little deeper, one of the creators of QR678 says that there was a double-blind study done and he even summarizes the results on his blog, but as of writing this post, I’ve not seen the actual study nor has it been published in a peer-reviewed journal where it can be evaluated for legitimacy by qualified professionals. Thus, I’m forced to look at QR678 on its own merits and treat it like any other hair loss treatment that I’m asked about.”

Source full text: http://www.baldingblog.com/2010/10/01/qr678/

Cool, Dr. Rassman!! :smiley:
So I wish you success in to be “forced to look at and evaluating for legitimacy” of the following published peer-reviewed study too:

Furthermore - from another topic related article:

http://www.baldingblog.com/2010/09/30/in-the-news-hair-cloning-expected-to-be-the-future/

ABSTRACT
Dr. Rassman: "The article points out the same things I’ve been saying for years — hair cloning is not ready for prime time and although there are companies working on it, there’s no chance this will be ready for the public soon.

When hair cloning finally does become a reality, you can be sure that we’ll be writing about it here. Right now though, it’s still far too early to get overly excited."

BULLSH’T, Dr. Rassman!
Because your “beloved friend” Dr. Gho (this is THE hair researcher, where you always “lose your voice” during his presentations) DOES successfully “cloning hairs” (in vivo) since YEARS!
Concerning “hair cloning”: “hair cloning” is “hair cloning”. Thereby (“hair cloning” per se and expression) it doesn’t matter in which way (in vitro or in vivo method) a necessary procedure is performed.


#11

» None of the major Hair Multiplication efforts are currently “cloning
» follicles”.
»
» Aderans is multiplying some tissue cells harvested from the
» androgen-resistant areas of the scalp, and re-injecting them into the
» balding areas of the scalp to regrow hair. It is like injecting
» artificially grown follicle tissue from the back of the scalp to be a
» “seed” for a new follicle, and then letting the body finish the job of
» growing those follicles on its own. It should also give the newer hairs
» androgen resistance greater than the origianl balding hairs in that
» location because the donor “seed” tissue was harvested from the back of the
» scalp.

Funny …

These are Dr Ghos answers to my questions.
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:25 pm

How far off is the hairstemcell injection from being used in the clinics, and what can someone expect from this?

Dr. Gho: “At this moment, we are exploring possibilities to train other medical teams or clinics to perform the treatments at their medical facilities, but because this new technique is still improving, we are looking for a practical solution to educate other medical teams and integrate these developments in the future.”


#12

OH SNAP EPIC PWNAGE

I think that right now some ht surgeons got goosebumps and cold sweat running down their backs.

Karma is a bit*h :slight_smile:

Thanks for the informations Iron Man. Have you been talking to Gho? And do you have other informations about upcoming solutions for our “Problem”

Right now it seems to me like

Hated User Iron Man : 1
Haters : 0

My prognosis of Ht surgeons who will survive in the long term :

  1. Not Dr Woods or Dr Rassmann thats for sure :slight_smile:

#13

you call making excuses as to why other HT surgeons are still not being trained in this supposedly superior treatment a victory for Gho supporters? :slight_smile:

Personally i literally had to smirk when reading Iron_Man’s post… because it really sounds like a very lame excuse. He didnt even answer the question or give a timeline or anything… it sounds like it’s not even going to happen.

Anyway it’s funny how you try to interpret even the most negative information in your favor.

» OH SNAP EPIC PWNAGE
»
» I think that right now some ht surgeons got goosebumps and cold sweat
» running down their backs.
»
» Karma is a bit*h :slight_smile:
»
» Thanks for the informations Iron Man. Have you been talking to Gho? And do
» you have other informations about upcoming solutions for our “Problem”
»
» Right now it seems to me like
»
» Hated User Iron Man : 1
» Haters : 0
»
» My prognosis of Ht surgeons who will survive in the long term :
»
» 1) Not Dr Woods or Dr Rassmann thats for sure :slight_smile:


#14

» Personally i literally had to smirk when reading Iron_Man’s post… because
» it really sounds like a very lame excuse. He didnt even answer the question
» or give a timeline or anything… it sounds like it’s not even going to
» happen.

Proxy user “hairman2” (oh, he has BIG reasons to use proxy servers):

“very lame excuse” - FOR WHAT ??

Actually, it’s sometimes really BORING to post HERE (on HS) anything, because here are always the same whinning suckers …

[“I had big hopes, but Dr. Gho couldn’t give me a full head of hair … mewl … mewl …”]


#15

Thats the difference between you and me. I believe in my experience where almost everything was solved in the end :slight_smile:

And also i got the support from researching people. HM like in Ghos technique is possible but you need time to do this, you have to be absolutely careful.

And why should we all be crying? Ari and Histogen are making progress, Ghos is coming out of his silence behaviour and a lot of ht surgeons are acting strange :wink: right now

Also most of the IHRS 2010 is based on cllular or regenerative concepts :slight_smile:

And even if everything fails, when this time comes, even HT has improven its standards.

As i said before lets wait for the end of 2011.

Its easy to be pessimistic, but to be optimistic is the wiser choice ^^

» you call making excuses as to why other HT surgeons are still not
» being trained in this supposedly superior treatment a victory for Gho
» supporters? :slight_smile:
»
» Personally i literally had to smirk when reading Iron_Man’s post… because
» it really sounds like a very lame excuse. He didnt even answer the question
» or give a timeline or anything… it sounds like it’s not even going to
» happen.
»
» Anyway it’s funny how you try to interpret even the most negative
» information in your favor.
»
»
» » OH SNAP EPIC PWNAGE
» »
» » I think that right now some ht surgeons got goosebumps and cold sweat
» » running down their backs.
» »
» » Karma is a bit*h :slight_smile:
» »
» » Thanks for the informations Iron Man. Have you been talking to Gho? And
» do
» » you have other informations about upcoming solutions for our “Problem”
» »
» » Right now it seems to me like
» »
» » Hated User Iron Man : 1
» » Haters : 0
» »
» » My prognosis of Ht surgeons who will survive in the long term :
» »
» » 1) Not Dr Woods or Dr Rassmann thats for sure :slight_smile:


#16

I’m actually generally optimistic toward Aderans and Histogen… however not so much toward Gho. I am considering undergoing a HT myself and i really do wish Gho would provide some real conclusive proof of donor regrowth because if it actually works, i would definitely consider having a transplant done by him… i just feel the proof delivered so far is in fact very sparse.

Anyway, hopefully you are right…

And as for Iron_Man’s post i have little to say… other than that using the same picture of a whining glen beck over and over again does NOT make it funnier.

» Thats the difference between you and me. I believe in my experience where
» almost everything was solved in the end :slight_smile:
»
» And also i got the support from researching people. HM like in Ghos
» technique is possible but you need time to do this, you have to be
» absolutely careful.
»
» And why should we all be crying? Ari and Histogen are making progress,
» Ghos is coming out of his silence behaviour and a lot of ht surgeons are
» acting strange :wink: right now
»
» Also most of the IHRS 2010 is based on cllular or regenerative concepts
» :slight_smile:
»
» And even if everything fails, when this time comes, even HT has improven
» its standards.
»
» As i said before lets wait for the end of 2011.
»
» Its easy to be pessimistic, but to be optimistic is the wiser choice ^^
»
» » you call making excuses as to why other HT surgeons are still
» not
» » being trained in this supposedly superior treatment a victory for Gho
» » supporters? :slight_smile:
» »
» » Personally i literally had to smirk when reading Iron_Man’s post…
» because
» » it really sounds like a very lame excuse. He didnt even answer the
» question
» » or give a timeline or anything… it sounds like it’s not even going to
» » happen.
» »
» » Anyway it’s funny how you try to interpret even the most negative
» » information in your favor.
» »
» »
» » » OH SNAP EPIC PWNAGE
» » »
» » » I think that right now some ht surgeons got goosebumps and cold sweat
» » » running down their backs.
» » »
» » » Karma is a bit*h :slight_smile:
» » »
» » » Thanks for the informations Iron Man. Have you been talking to Gho?
» And
» » do
» » » you have other informations about upcoming solutions for our
» “Problem”
» » »
» » » Right now it seems to me like
» » »
» » » Hated User Iron Man : 1
» » » Haters : 0
» » »
» » » My prognosis of Ht surgeons who will survive in the long term :
» » »
» » » 1) Not Dr Woods or Dr Rassmann thats for sure :slight_smile:


#17

» you call making excuses as to why other HT surgeons are still not
» being trained in this supposedly superior treatment a victory for
» Gho supporters? :slight_smile:

WHO said I’m a “Dr. Gho supporter” ?

IF it would be true, why I’m “supporting” many other (REAL) HM companies & researchers too!! - you fücking sucker ???

Because I’m just doing the same as - at least - a few other guys out there. The reason is SIMPLE:

» By the way …
» ----------------------
» Dr. Mohebi Says:
» April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
»
» You are welcome!
» I don’t believe that hair multiplication (cloning) can be a threat to
» anyone. If you are in hair restoration industry, the biggest
» threat will be if people do not know what options are out there and do
» nothing.
» We still don’t know much about the cost and the final appearance of hair,
» produced by hair multiplication techniques. I think not everyone is going
» to need hair multiplication (cloning).
» Most people with hair loss still have a large number of normal hairs in
» their donor area that can produce great appearance considering the new
» techniques that we have available now. The patients who may need hair
» multiplication are the ones with violated donor or weak hair with extensive
» balding area.
»
» Comment/Response Source:
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2008/04/hair-cloning-hair-multiplication/

And what did suckers like you report during the years in the past ??

That’s all I could see and read from suckers like you:


#18

haha… thats hilarious… everyone who reads here regularly knows you are a Gho supporter… i cld dig out all the Pro-Gho posts of yours… however you arent really worth the effort, as you do a great deal of discrediting yourself by opting for foul language and insults… your style of argumentation is seriously pathetic… my post was critical - not hostile. And yet it was too much for your tiny ego to deal with… good luck with that you little troll.

» » you call making excuses as to why other HT surgeons are still not
» » being trained in this supposedly superior treatment a victory for
» » Gho supporters? :slight_smile:
»
» WHO said I’m a “Dr. Gho supporter” ?
»
» IF it would be true, why I’m “supporting” many other (REAL) HM companies &
» researchers too!! - you fücking sucker ???
»
» Because I’m just doing the same as - at least - a few other guys
» out there. The reason is SIMPLE:
»
» » By the way …
» » ----------------------
» » Dr. Mohebi Says:
» » April 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
» »
» » You are welcome!
» » I don’t believe that hair multiplication (cloning) can be a threat to
» » anyone. If you are in hair restoration industry, the
» biggest

» » threat will be if people do not know what options are out
» there and do

» » nothing.
» » We still don’t know much about the cost and the final appearance of
» hair,
» » produced by hair multiplication techniques. I think not everyone is
» going
» » to need hair multiplication (cloning).
» » Most people with hair loss still have a large number of normal hairs in
» » their donor area that can produce great appearance considering the new
» » techniques that we have available now. The patients who may need hair
» » multiplication are the ones with violated donor or weak hair with
» extensive
» » balding area.
» »
» » Comment/Response Source:
» »
» http://ushairrestoration.com/blog/2008/04/hair-cloning-hair-multiplication/
»
» And what did suckers like you report during the years in the past ??
»
» That’s all I could see and read from suckers like you:
»


#19

» haha… thats hilarious… everyone who reads here regularly knows you are a
» Gho supporter… i cld dig out all the Pro-Gho posts of yours… however you
» arent really worth the effort, as you do a great deal of discrediting
» yourself by opting for foul language and insults… your style of
» argumentation is seriously pathetic… my post was critical - not hostile.

No - your post was just “pathetic CRAP” like always.

Concerning “opting for foul language and insults”:
It is well-known, that suckers like you are very receptively for this … :smiley:


#20

Ok to make things short i have some questions to you Iron Man (first Movie was good the second one sucks)

  1. Is Gho actually going to make HS I to standard for future treatements?

  2. By other personal, does he mean other Ht surgeons and stuff like " Woods (ONLY an example)" or does he mean other HASCI staffs

  3. How far is the progress on the HS I studies right now?

  4. What are the positive aspects in comparison HST and HSI